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  1. I was thinking the other day... In my force we are often single crewed in the daylight hours, only pairing up after 2200hrs. I'm sent to a variety of jobs, some have the potential to become volatile/dangerous and of personal risk to myself - especially domestics when, quite often, the involved parties are unknown entities. We are lucky if one or two officers per rota carry taser and, where I work, that wouldn't be much good when the nearest back-up could be up to half an hour away... I'm currently a year into my probationer and in my force TASER is not a standard piece of issued kit. Probationers aren't permitted to carry taser and only once you're out of your probationer can you express an interest to carry one. Is this just my force? I'm interested to know what it is like in other force areas. I can't think of a particularly good reason as to why a probationer couldn't be trained to carry taser when we are entrusted with CAPTOR and a baton...
  2. Following on from a discussion in this thread Have you been the subject of a firearms or knife attack, or an attack with any other lethal weapon?
  5. Ex-Met marksman Tony Long talks exclusively to about life as one of Britain's most high profile armed officers. Mr Long believes more officers will be required to carry firearms in the future For the majority of officers trained to use firearms, pulling the trigger in a live scenario is a remote prospect they hope never to face. But for one now retired officer in particular, not only did this situation occur more than once, it came to define his career and shape his life. Tony Long, 60, was involved in three fatal shootings and received seven commendations during his 33 year career as a specialist firearms officer with the Metropolitan Police Service, a record which carries with it both respect and notoriety. The shooting of Azelle Rodney is undoubtedly the incident most associated with Mr Long and the one which has had the most impact on his life and career, as well as the lives of others. Rodney, Frank Graham and Wesley Lovell were in a hired silver Volkswagen Golf driving across north London to carry out an armed robbery on rival drug dealers on April 30, 2005. Being trailed by several units they were seen collecting three weapons which intelligence suggested were MAC-10 sub-machine guns. As the car passed the Railway Tavern on Hale Lane, Barnet, it was subject to a hard stop by armed officers including Mr Long. At the moment the cars came to a stop, the former marksman has always maintained he saw Rodney duck down and re-emerge with his shoulders hunched as if preparing to open fire on his fellow officers. It was this action which prompted him to shoot the 24 year-old dead and which sparked ten years of investigations, a public inquiry, a murder trial, and the end of Mr Long’s career with the Met. As we sit down for a pint in a grand Victorian pub in east London, a short walk from his old unit HQ at 337 Old Street, Tony tells me Azelle Rodney would still be alive today if he had just put his hands up. He said: “If I could have seen his hands and I could have seen they were empty, I would not have shot him. “If he had ducked down and stayed down without springing back up, I would not have shot him. “If he had behaved in the same way as the other two men in the vehicle and just put his hands up he would have survived.” When asked if, in the moments, months and years since the shooting, he has ever doubted his decision that day he responded: “No. Never.” Previous to the Azelle Rodney incident Tony Long was involved in two other fatal shootings. He shot Errol Walker in 1986 after the 30-year-old had stabbed his sister in law to death, threw her out of a third floor window and stabbed her four-year-old daughter through the neck, as well shooting dead two armed robbers at an abattoir a year later. Walker was later convicted of the murder of Jackie Charles, 22. Candid and full of anecdotes about ‘The Job’ Mr Long held the air of a man weathered by his experiences but not dominated by them. He tells me it was not until years later he realised the impact of his employment on his family. He said: “In truth it’s probably had more of an impact on my family than me. With the first two (shootings) I was a young father with two young kids, I was very ‘job pissed’, I perhaps was not as sensitive as I could have been to the effect it was having on them. “It’s only years later that people admitted they did worry about me. “The trial had a big impact on my wife, we weren't even together at the time of the incident, she is a very strong character and not the type to tell you when something is bothering her. “It was only after the not guilty verdict when she had five minutes of emotion that I realised how much pressure I had put on them.” The 60-year-old maintains the job has not had any real impact on him as he was always “prepared” for what carrying a gun on behalf of the state entails. He said: “In terms of me I would like to think it has not had any real affect as far as I am concerned. “if you take the training seriously you understand what you are being asked to do and when you do have to do it, it shouldn’t be a surprise. “If I wasn’t prepared for that I wouldn’t have taken that career path.” Mr Long, who authored a book about his career Lethal Force following the completion of his trial for murder, believes more officers should be firearms trained and the concept of policing by consent needs to be better understood in terms of firearms. He said: “I think the problem is that we have gone from multi-skilled officers to a situation where all of our authorised shots are now specialists. “In the same way that we have a lot more Taser trained officers now I don’t see why you can’t have officers trained to use a handgun rather than needing to be a specialist trained firearms officer, we have a need for specialists but you also need more general training. “The problem is the whole image of armed police flies in the face of this unarmed image we are obsessed with projecting. “I take exception to ‘policing by consent’ because a lot of people who use that phrase don’t really know what it means. “Saying that you can’t police by consent because you are armed I think is insulting to the Dutch and Swedish police for example, they still go into schools and talk to kids about road safety with a gun in a holster. “There is a perception that we cannot do this job without being unarmed, I think it’s nonsense.” As our pint glasses empty and the conversation winds to a conclusion, Mr Long tells me his future is uncertain following the end of his policing career but that he is not ready for retirement just yet. He is certain of one thing though: “The job will have to give serious consideration to saying to all recruits ‘when you join up it is on the understanding that, if required to do so, you will undergo firearms training and carry a firearm if you are needed to.’ “If the police are here to protect the public, then how can we do that if we cannot protect ourselves?” View on Police Oracle
  6. Hi all, I used to be one of those fast paced PCSOs but moved to the USA and am currently working as a nuclear ARV for a nuclear power plant. One of my instructors used to live in the UK and wanted to know about working there as a firearms instructor. He was formerly US Army SF for quite a few years and is now a firearms instructor working at the same nuclear plant. I know he'll need a work permit to start with, but what are the requirements re: training to become an instructor, are there any disqualifiers for the course? I was wondering if there were restrictions re: anti-terrorism etc. but put it this way, military background, vetted for firearms instructor as per state law, and believe me the nuclear checks are thorough. Any tips would be handy, many thanks
  7. Fresh fears have been raised that cutbacks are forcing frontline police officers in Moray to spend much of their days filling-in forms instead of catching criminals. Full Story - Press & Journal
  8. GMP is to get a huge increase in the number of armed officers to deal with twin threats of terrorism and gun-toting crime gangs across Manchester , Salford and Greater Manchester. GMP to boost number of armed officers to tackle gun crime and terrorist threats - Manchester Evening News
  9. The hero cop who led armed police during the siege of the Bartons Arms at the height of the Birmingham riots is suing West Midlands Police – after being transferred from the crackshot team to the force’s dog kennels. Full Story - Birmingham Mail
  10. Hey all, I was recently at a police training site where we were shown around all of the specific training areas including firearms. It's been my life long dream to become a firearms officer (yes I know I'm in for a hard slog) but I'm wondering if there is any pre-requisites to becoming an AFO? I'm aware of all of the usual stuff like having to have a good service record etc but I'm curious to know if you can join if you have a fear of heights, sounds daft I know but I noticed at this training site there was an abseil tower.
  11. Armed police walking around Tesco in broad daylight Oh my god they eat!!! On a more serious note, people should feel protected by seeing the odd cop wearing a sidearm. Especially, at a time where there is an increased level of threat.
  12. Are there any AFOs on here working at any of the major airports? Would be interested in getting in touch with some as I'm off to a job which will be working closely with them so it'd be good to get any personal perspectives and thoughts from people before I get there
  13. A man has pulled a gun on five policemen in Ribbleton - but it failed to go off when he pulled the trigger. from the Lancashire Evening Post. was going to put this in my community area, but felt it was better in UK due to the more severe fact the... Let's be polite and say 'alleged offender' actually aimed and pulled the trigger. Absolutely shocking. mods, obviously please feel free to move as you see appropriate
  14. From BBC News: Belfast shooting: Heavy calibre gun used in police car attack 1 hour ago From the sectionNorthern Ireland Image captionTwo police officers escaped injury after shots were fired at their car A heavy calibre gun was used in an attack on a police patrol car in west Belfast, police have said. Up to eight shots struck the passenger side of the car parked at Rossnareen Avenue, at about 18:50 GMT on Thursday. Two male officers who were in the car were not injured but were said to have been badly shaken. Police described it as a "mindless, reckless attempt to kill officers". Dissident republicans are being blamed. Ch Supt Nigel Grimshaw said the police car's armour-plating and bullet-proof glass had stopped the officers from being seriously injured or killed. Image copyrightPSNI Image captionUp to eight bullets struck the passenger side of the car Image copyrightPacemaker Image captionA car that police believe was used in the attack was later found burned out Detectives believe the attackers made off in a BMW car that had been waiting nearby at Tullagh Park. The car, which was fitted with a false Republic of Ireland registration plate, was later found abandoned and on fire at Cluain Mor Drive in the Beechmount area. Police described the gun used in the attack as "accurate firing". One of the officers was looking through the passenger window when it was struck by two bullets.
  15. 'Arm British police' says US intelligence chairman Mike Rogers, Republican congressman who heads committee which oversees 16 US intelligence agencies, expresses concern over unarmed British police in face of a growing terror threat Republican congressman Mike Rogers  Photo: AP By David Barrett], Home Affairs Correspondent 9:00PM BST 22 Oct 2014 British police should be routinely armed after concerns officers will be targeted by a terror plot, one of the United States' most senior intelligence figures has said. Mike Rogers, who was visiting London in his role as chairman of a US committee overseeing intelligence issues, said it was “concerning” that officers in this country would be unable to defend themselves from armed attackers. In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph, the Republican expressed respect for “cultural differences” between Britain and the US on gun control, but said it should be possible to reach a compromise where trained police officers are routinely armed. Mr Rogers, a former FBI agent who carried a gun "24 hours a day", also expressed frustration at the British Parliament’s refusal to back military action in Syria, after a Commons vote last month which limited military action to Iraqi territory. In a wide-ranging interview the congressman, who chairs the House of Representatives’ Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, also said privacy campaigners in the UK who opposed Government plans to extend surveillance capabilities would “cost British lives”. Mr Rogers, who travels with a US Secret Service detail due to the sensitivity of his role scrutinising 16 US intelligence agencies, said: “I am of the opinion that if police officers are under a terrorist threat I would like to see them armed. Obviously, it’s concerning to me. “I am an American politician who was in law enforcement so perhaps it’s not a fair conclusion for me to come to." Mr Rogers, who is seen as a contender for the US presidential race in 2016, added: "This is such a cultural difference when it comes to our two countries. “But if you get to the place where you don’t want your citizens armed here, clearly you can get to the place where your train police officers to be armed to protect themselves when they are the target of a threat.” Police across the UK have been put on an unprecedented alert amid fears Islamist terrorists may be planning to kill an officer on the street, with officers and civilian staff told to remain extra vigilant.
  16. The family of Mark Duggan, who was shot dead by police in 2011, have won the right to appeal over a finding that he was lawfully killed. An inquest jury concluded last year that the marksman who killed him in Tottenham, north London, did not behave unlawfully. The family is challenging a High Court ruling that they could not apply for judicial review. Lord Justice Sales allowed their application for permission to appeal. The judge warned the family against thinking his decision meant their appeal must succeed. He said their case was "arguable" and had reached his decision on the basis that "there is a real prospect of success on appeal". He added: "A further compelling reason for the grant of permission is that the shooting dead of a suspect by police is always a matter for careful scrutiny." The Duggan family and their lawyers argued the jury's conclusions were contradictory. 'Deeply distressed' The officer involved said he believed Mark Duggan had a weapon in his hand when he opened fire and thought he was going to shoot at police. The jury found it was more than likely that Mark Duggan had thrown a gun onto some grass outside the car, where a weapon was found. The three High Court judges who previously ruled out a judicial review said none of the grounds of challenge had been established. Mark Duggan's shooting in August 2011 sparked riots in London and across England which lasted for several days. His mother, Pamela, said she remained "deeply distressed" about her son's death and the inquest finding. Another waste of money, maybe if he hadn't turned to a life of crime his mother wouldn't be in this distressing situation.
  17. A man has died after being shot when firearms officers were called to a house in St Neots, Cambridgeshire, police have said. Officers were called to a property in Duck Lane after receiving reports of concern for people inside. The man was shot by a firearms officer just after 20:00 BST and died at the scene. No-one else was injured. The Independent Police Complaints Comission (IPCC) has begun an investigation. Cambridgeshire Police said it would "not be appropriate to comment further" at this stage.
  18. Shots were fired at unarmed police officers as they chased a man in an Essex town. No-one was injured and five men were later arrested after officers were called to the area of Arne Court and Vaughan Williams Road in Laindon. The alarm was raised shortly after 01:00 BST on Sunday when callers reported seeing a number of men with firearms. Three men were later arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. Two others were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to rob. Police have appealed for anyone with information about the incident to come forward. Stumbled across this news story obviously not that noteworthy, but could have so easily been another tragedy.
  19. A police officer is in hospital after being shot in Hackney this lunchtime. Thankfully it sounds like he is going to be alright. I believe the suspect has been arrested.
  20. A police marksman who was removed from his job because he was partially deaf amid concerns he could have confused 'shoot' with 'don't shoot' has won a disability discrimination payout. Firstly I do apologise for the source but couldn't find the story in BBC site. As for the story itself whilst I can see the tabloids having a field day with it, I'm pleased to see he won. No I haven't gone soft and swallowed the political correct pill :-) It's just I too have been subject to this awful hearing test that the Home Office recommend for the last 15 years. I have always hated it and old age isn't helping. But on a serious note I have absolutely no trouble with my hearing day to day or on an operational basis, but I do struggle with this particular hearing test. I am sure there are more suitable tests in this day and age that are more effective at testing the range of hearing needed for the role.
  21. More people are likely to die in shootings unless firearms rules are overhauled, a watchdog has warned. Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabularies said it was easier to own a gun than become a bus driver because of flaws in medical checks. The HMIC said the licensing system for England and Wales has fundamental gaps and previous recommendations for reforms had not been acted on. Only four of 11 forces it inspected were effectively monitoring licences. As of March last year, 734,336 people were entitled to possess and use shotguns or rifles under the legal system for licensing and certificating firearms in England and Wales. In total, these people owned more than 1.8m guns. Gun crime is very low in the UK - and murders and manslaughters involving shootings are relatively rare. There were 29 in the year to March 2014 - and three of those involved a legally held firearm. Stephen Otter, the inspector behind the report, said that while evidence showed that licensed gun holders were very unlikely to be involved in crime, cases where individuals did shoot themselves or others, such as in domestic disputes, often had medical conditions at their root. "It is highly likely that if these processes are not tightened up satisfactorily, there will be another tragedy, particularly if you look at mental health and growing issues around dementia," he said. "Too often, forces are not following the Home Office guidance that is in place, sometimes inexcusably compromising public safety. Lessons from past tragedies have not always been learnt and this fails the victims of those events, including their families, unacceptably." Gun ownership in England and Wales151, 413 firearms certificates on issue as of March 2014 - typically meaning sports rifles582,923 shotgun certificates on issue1,837,243 shotguns and firearms licensed72% increase in licensed firearms between 1998 and 2014260 certificates revoked as a result of a review and 949 applications refused Each police force oversees licensing in its area - but the HMIC said the national guidelines were being inconsistently and inadequately applied and lessons from past tragedies had not always been learnt. Applicants must disclose any relevant medical condition and give the police permission to speak to their GP. However, doctors don't have to respond to the police request - and in practice many licences are issued without policing having completed full medical checks or speaking to referees. The HMIC said that these gaps in the rules meant someone applying to become a bus driver faced more rigorous medical checks than someone who wanted a gun. It called on all applicants to be subjected to a mandatory medical examination as part of their application - and said doctors should be under a duty to record gun ownership and, critically, alert the police to any relevant deterioration in health. Policing minister Mike Penning said: "The Government keeps the firearms licensing system under review to safeguard against abuse by criminals and to preserve public safety. "Discussions are already under way with the police and the medical profession to ensure appropriate arrangements for information sharing between GPs and police." Flaws in medical checks 'could lead to shootings, watchdog warns - Sorry folks correct link now added :-)
  22. A man has been shot by armed police in Essex following reports he was carrying two firearms. Essex Police said officers were called to Knights Way in Great Dunmow at about 22:00 BST on Tuesday. The man, who was left with leg injuries, is the first person to be shot by Essex officers in more than 30 years, the head of the force confirmed. A police spokesman said a 48-year-old man from Great Dunmow had been arrested in relation to firearms offences. The shooting has been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC). Chief Constable Stephen Kavanagh said it had been 31 years since Essex Police last shot someone. "My officers train incredibly well for this. We'll give this to the IPCC. It's right that when we do shoot someone, we get held to account," he said. He added officers did not believe the incident was connected to anything else, and people living in Great Dunmow "need to be reassured we've got it all under control". I hope all goes well for the officers involved 30 years is a long time not have tested your post incident procedures. No doubt some ill informed newspaper will be asking why these officers shot to wound, whilst others don't. But it's a little tricky to communicate with a subject and move positions without tripping over whilst looking through a scope. Shooting low is very common for a number of reasons subject moving as shot is fired, weapons being 'off aim' to allow better communication/vision and threat suddenly changing to name a few.
  23. A man has been shot dead by police in London. The man was shot outside a property in Cedar Road, Enfield, shortly before 23:50 BST on Sunday, the Met Police said. A spokesman said the man, described as white and believed to be in his 40s, was pronounced dead at the scene. Officers had earlier been called to a property in Barnet amid reports of a man, in possession of what was believed to be a gun, making threats to kill. A non-police firearm was recovered from the scene in Cedar Road, the force said. The incident has been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) for investigation.
  24. The law should be changed to protect police officers who shoot people in the line of duty, the head of the Metropolitan Police has said. Sir Bernard Hogan Howe said it was not appropriate that firearms officers were having to justify split-second decisions years after they had been taken. “I am worried that in law we put officers in the position that is the same as the criminal who decided to go out with the firearm, decided to commit a crime, they made that choice, and then the officer takes the right action and it still seems as though they’re having to explain it ten years later,” he told BBC News. ADVERTISING “That worries me and I think in law we have to look at it.” The Metropolitan Police Commissioner said he had no problem with scrutiny of police shootings but that “forensic” analysis of after the fact was, in his view, problematic. Azelle Rodney was killed by a fire arms officer in 2005 Azelle Rodney was killed by a fire arms officer in 2005 “Every firearms officer understands – if someone dies or someone is seriously injured, of course people are going to ask questions. That’s not the problem,” he said. “I think sometimes the people who judge them late haven’t had that experience and don’t understand that judgement which is really quite a difficult one.” He added that he was “really concerned” about the ten-year trial of the police officer who shot and killed Azelle Rodney in 2005 but that it was ultimately correct to prosecute in this case. The shooting of Mark Duggan sparked the Tottenham riots The shooting of Mark Duggan sparked the Tottenham riots “I hope [the not-guilty verdict] will have a reassuring [effect] because the opposite – a conviction for murder – would have been worrying,” he argued. Anthony Long, 58, shot 24-year-old Mr Rodney as part of an operation to foil an attempted robbery on Columbian drug dealers. A trial heard that Mr Long took just six hundredths of a second to open fire on the man after his unmarked police car pulled up alongside him. He fired eight shots in 2.1 second, six of which hit and fatally injured Mr Rodney. He was acquitted after a ten-year legal process. Other high profile shootings by police, including those of Jean Charles de Menezes in 2005 and Mark Duggan in 2011 have also raised the profile of the issue but led to no convictions. The killing of Mr Duggan sparked the 2011 London riots amid a backdrop of racial tension and social and economic exclusion. The issue has also come to the forefront in the United States, where a series of police shootings have sparked civil unrest.
  25. hails professionalism of officers who saved woman's life after her ex-partner threatened to murder her A chief constable has praised firearms officers after the police watchdog said they acted "appropriately" when they shot and tasered a man who was holding his ex-partner hostage. Sir Jon Murphy (pictured), of Merseyside Police, said: "The outcome of the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) investigation demonstrates the professionalism and courage of our officers, in particular firearms officers, who never know what they are going to be faced with when they start their shift." The non-fatal incident concerned took place on May 22 last year after officers were called to a house on Shellingford Road in Dovecot to reports that a woman was being held hostage by a man who was later identified as her ex-partner Elemir Lakatos. CC Murphy said: "The report stated that the man was in an agitated state and was believed to be in possession of a gun and knife and was threatening to harm the woman. We also became aware that he had been holding two children hostage and had threatened to kill their mother in front of them." For over an hour officers tried to negotiate with Lakatos as he threatened to shoot them and held a blade to his former partner's throat. Lakatos, who was drinking from a whisky bottle throughout the incident, was also phoning a friend with updates on his intentions and he told the friend that he intended to kill his former partner and would shoot police officers. A short while later he could be seen through the front window of the house, his former partner was kneeling down and he appeared to have a gun to the back of her head and was threatening to shoot her. After the firearms commander decided there was an immediate threat to life officers used distraction devices and CS gas before storming the building, and the woman hostage was able to escape. The officer who fired the shot told IPCC investigators that he had done so in self defence after Lakatos came towards him with armed with a large knife. Another officer discharged his taser as Lakatos lay on the floor and struggled with officers who tried to secure him. Lakatos' weapons were not visible, leading to fears that he may have had them on his possession at the time. When the finally successfully restrained Lakatos they were able to confirm he had been shot in the chest and immediately provided medical assistance to him. A search of the property recovered a large knife and silicon applicator that had been wrapped in back tape to make it look like a firearm. Openness The IPCC concluded the officers' actions were "proportionate and appropriate". IPCC Commissoner James Dipple-Johnstone said: "It is clear that Merseyside Police was dealing with a rapidly changing situation involving a threat to someone's life and despite the negotiaions they eventually had no choice but to enter the house when it appeared that the threat was being acted upon." He also praised the officers and force for their "openness and cooperation" during the investigation. CC Murphy said the officer who used potentially lethal force had been left with "no option" but to do so. He added: “This was a very fluid situation which could have had a very different outcome and the victim herself thanked the police for their actions on the day and their support and guidance throughout a difficult time. "Judge Clement Goldstone, who sentenced Lakatos to eight years, said the officers ‘deserved considerable commendation for the caution which they exhibited. When they shot him it was the last resort and not to kill’." Merseyside's Police Commissioner Jane Kennedy said: "I completely endorse the comments made by the Chief Constable, Sir Jon Murphy, and I applaud the officers involved, whose actions on the day ensured a safe outcome for the victim."