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  1. Yesterday
  2. BlueBob

    Acting Off Duty

    Or, as we are dealing with off duty scenario, ignore the spray, just run and call for help😀
  3. SimonT

    Acting Off Duty

    I have used my baton a few times and would describe them as next to worthless in both offence and defence. If however I felt the need, I would be happy to carry spray . Spray and run away is a solid tactical move
  4. The moment a gang left a 16-year-old schoolboy to die after stabbing him repeatedly was caught on harrowing CCTV footage. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9297359/Harrowing-moment-thugs-leave-London-schoolboy-16-die.html
  5. Five Thames Valley Police officers face manslaughter charges after a 24-year-old suspect who was arrested at a home in Milton Keynes died in hospital. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9297017/Five-police-officers-face-manslaughter-probe-death-suspect.html
  6. This is the moment furious passers-by seize a massive knife from a 13-year-old boy after they allegedly caught him trying to rob phones from children. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9295281/Furious-passers-seize-massive-knife-13-year-old-catch-trying-rob-phones.html
  7. A police officer has been found guilty of battery after striking a 16-year-old suspect who was in custody in the face before making him strip and locking him in a cell. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9296885/Custody-officer-hit-16-year-old-suspect-making-strip-convicted-battery.html
  8. Last week
  9. pcmode

    Acting Off Duty

    Certainly in the first case a baton wouldn't appear to have been much help to the officer, and again would probably have been used against them. In the second against 2 people it could have been useful, but who knows? Even if i were allowed I wouldn't be carrying a baton around with me when i was out.
  10. This would seem to be a staggering lapse of security. I don't know what sort of security arrangements would be in place in the private sector. However, MOD ammo deliveries (from depots to unit armouries) are always accompanied by an escort vehicle. Nevertheless, I'm sure the facts will emerge in the fullness of time, and someone somewhere will be having an interview without coffee, before too long.
  11. Zulu 22

    Acting Off Duty

    I think that the Photographer was still on the 18th hole and the git was not carrying his camera in his bag.😉
  12. Wilts20

    Acting Off Duty

    Legend. Photos?
  13. Wilts20

    Acting Off Duty

    What about a baton then? Other European & N. American nations often carry something (usually a firearm) off-duty. It just seems odd that UK police staff face risks too and yet carry nothing.
  14. Just popping back to this and a bit of context (Happy for someone to check the maths). .22 are typical ammo for leisure shooting ranges and depending on the type, for vermin control, weighing in at about 2-3 grams each. My sums suggests the ammo alone would only be about 750Kgs. Most .22 are sold in boxes of 50, so only about 6,000 boxes. All in all, the load is not a vehicle full -as the media may want us to think by its heading, but probably closer to a typical pallet full which paints a quite different picture So suddenly we start to wonder what type of vehicle was used, as a lor
  15. bensonby

    Acting Off Duty

    In the MPS isn’t it the case that papa can be taken home on inspector’s authority? (e.g. if you have court or are parading elsewhere the next shift).
  16. Something certainly is not right here. One a single driver with a high security load and, The driver was asleep a short distance from his pick up, why. He should have been refreshed and should not need to sleep. I would suspect some collusion there from the driver. I find it highly unusual for such a load not to have been escorted.
  17. Zulu 22

    Acting Off Duty

    Of course we3 are talking of "Acting Off Duty". I know that all regulars who I have known and worked with would not have hesitated in acting when off duty, if the circumstances are right. Most would act react automatically, as if they were on duty. I used to carry baton and handcuffs if and when I was travelling to or from work when in uniform. When I have acted when off duty, sometimes there were problems. Once at the Golf club when I discovered a youth riffling the lockers. Chased after him and arrested him on the second fairway. He was very non compliant, ended up completely winded and
  18. Richhamdo

    Acting Off Duty

    @BlueBob +,Totally agree and very much like your first two sentences regarding this matter. I can only give my advice to specials constables new to the job, but what I will put to them (for what its worth) is to look at the use of force “impact factors”. Read them till you know them by heart. When acting “off duty” the stress of the situation can cloud judgement or proper assessment. I will repeat what that Sgt on the American police programme forty years ago used to say after he finished his briefing , “Hey, let’s be careful out there” wise words indeed. But In the scenario or
  19. Um, so lorry does a 3am collection, seems like a solo driver. I wonder if the driver was having a kip during their 15 min, 30 min break or a full rest period. Either way, y going solo, the haulier has systematically exposed the drivers to the hijack risk as well as the wider public by releasing that amount of ammo into the open market. shame on whoever the haulier was.
  20. ORGANISED criminals have stolen 300,000 rounds of live ammunition from a lorry while the driver was asleep. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14142121/organised-criminals-stole-live-ammunition/
  21. BizzieBee

    Acting Off Duty

    I have. And spoken to PST. Absolutely. Nothing being disputed there. As stated, there is. Explicitly for baton and handcuffs. Absolutely. But when we do, and feel we can, the cuffs are useful by design. To secure the person and prevent injury (in the main). (Sorry - quote feature on a phone appears to be a pain, so not in order)
  22. Fry

    Acting Off Duty

    Yes, handcuffs aren't offensive weapons and you can carry them around to your hearts content, but you really should probably read the rest of the paragraph/document around that sentence. There is not a standing authority to carry your PPE home unless certain circumstances apply.
  23. Chief Bakes

    British Transport Police Recruitment

    Changed Police Officer to Recruitment Closed Changed PCSO to Recruitment Closed Changed Special Constable to Recruitment Closed
  24. BlueBob

    Acting Off Duty

    The thing about policing is to know when to go in and when to step back when thinking about things whilst off duty. It is the rarest of occasions when it is worth stepping forward and the odds are already stepped against you. Be assured that when you shout out at being police, the odds will change and not in a good way. The only thing that is sure to happen is the passers by who you thought may come to assist will step back and reach for their cameras to record your demise for prosperity!!!!
  25. SimonT

    Acting Off Duty

    Who would I go for? Neither to be honest. Certainly not for some public order. Running about with cuffs out paints a target on you, one that both combatants are likely to respond to . We are neither superhuman or expendable and don't need to weigh in on everything we see. But if you feel the need to carry cuffs, then we will just have to agree different mindsets.
  26. scary100

    Acting Off Duty

    What a bizarre thread!
  27. pcmode

    Acting Off Duty

    Based on only the limited information in the reports i'd say cuffs could have made things worse as they may well have been used as a weapon against the officer or used to restrain the officer leading to an even worse outcome.
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