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  2. Zulu 22

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    Sadly, a Court Martial is very similar. Likewise it could be compared to a Police Discipline panel.
  3. Dave SYP

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    I can’t even begin to imagine the stress and anguish suffered by the retired servicemen that were involved and interviewed time and time again. However, I think the right decision was made in the end even though we must strive to find truth and justice where we can.
  4. https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-health-coronavirus-pandemic-business-technology-e4266250f7e2d691d4d664735c2c6bc0 COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Law enforcement agencies across the U.S. have used facial recognition technology to solve homicides and bust human traffickers, but concern about its accuracy and the growing pervasiveness of video surveillance is leading some state lawmakers to hit the pause button.
  5. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    I presume you are talking about a Commanding Officer hearing the case? If so I agree.
  6. Yesterday
  7. TooTall

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    While on paper you are correct in reality it's not the same as magistrates as they say proof is in the pudding. If I hadn't have been in Iraq I would have been found guilty with zero evidence....what magistrate do you know that would entertain such a case never mind convict on it? I'll help you ZERO.
  8. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    I never claimed it was, a CO is a Mags equivalent.
  9. Zulu 22

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    A CO is not a Courts Martial. A serviceman can be given an option by the CO, "Do you want to accept punishment by me or take Courts Martial" I would bow to the knowledge of TooTall as he has been through that system. I can only go on what a retired RSM tells me.
  10. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    That last point isn’t true, looking at the legislation they have the same powers (largely) as a Crown Court. Whilst I understand your view, that experience doesn’t give you a well rounded view of that process today. However I agree with you that the military justice system is massively out of date and inappropriate. In particular the ability for a Commanding Officer to pass judgement
  11. TooTall

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    Having had the displeasure of a court Marshal I can tell you they are absolutely flawed! 1 weeks at Bulford for apparently telling an RAF Police Officer to **** off in 2003.........this incident happened in the UK at the said time of the incident I was in Basrah, Iraq..... The RAF Police brought witness after witness all condemning me....... obviously the case went in my favour. Apparently is was mistaken identity.........yet with zero evidence it went well the way to the top...make of that what you will. Court Martial are not even on the same level as a magistrate and they seriously need
  12. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    That’s the point I was making, why isn’t that an issue for say Police Officers who face excessive force allegations? Whilst I fully understand the point about understanding the environment, where does that stop? Is there not a risk of people claiming the military are treated differently? Also does the ICC when hearing war crimes have a combat experienced jury? I don’t think that jury had any other option after the video. I think any Court Martial would argue they operate on a different burden of proof and I doubt you have sufficient objective experience
  13. TooTall

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    They are meant to but do not. We dont have to as any other jury anyone chosen has a lifetime of experience of the system around them to make a balanced judgment. This is something Sgt didn't have. He had 2 persons who had experience in the area and 3 who had experience of Costa Coffee, and made a judgment based on their understanding of the UK. You think your jobs hard! Try doing it in 50+ heat, with limited hot water, eating ration packs, pooping in a ditch, staging on, watching mate die, hearing of others being killed. Washing blood out of your uniform, constantly on edge w
  14. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    I don’t think anyone expects war to be civilised, but civilisation doesn’t want to accept we need people skilled in violence. Either way this was murder, the fact he may have died later largely irrelevant. He didn’t mercy kill, he just killed after considering his actions and giving a speech. It could be true he was dead, it’s just unlikely given his comment.
  15. TooTall

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    Again people comparing the situation to our street. "If you seen a mortally wounded person on the street..." Blah blah blah, well in that case I'd have the privilege of calling the emergency services. Something he didn't have the luxury of. You can clearly tell those that have not served from how they think. Another comment also implies the Taliban where easily distinguishable compared to the IRA 🤣🤣🤣🤣 if anything it was harder. The IRA and its supporters didn't laugh and joke with the Brits out on patrol they openly showed hate. In Afgan you rock up you'll be welcomed given tea, food ect and t
  16. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    A Court Martial operates on the exact same burden of proof as a Crown Court. A smaller jury so to speak which is also questionable. I think my point is, and maybe I haven’t explained it properly. We don’t apply jobs or experiences to any other jury, so why would it be a factor in this case?
  17. Zulu 22

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    If you are talking about the make of the Courts Martial, their job should not be a factor but in reality if you have three members who have never seen action, and you have two who have seen front line action they will have a different perception and understanding of the situation. I stand to be corrected by I under stand that a Courts Martial uses the Balance of probability rather than beyond all reasonable doubt. In a civilian trial much would have been made of, was the Taliban already dead or was he alive. I am not up to date with the Geneva Convention but I would be surprised if some fo
  18. Sounds like one of those convenient CPS deals of pleading Guilty of GBH rather than a trial for attempted murder. The legal profession sometimes has a lot to answer for.
  19. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    Should their job be a factor in a jury tho if it’s not in any other occupation or crime?
  20. A REDUCED jail sentence for a violent thug who stabbed a mother and slammed her baby's head against a wall was slammed as "pathetic". https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1432593/Crime-news-thug-stabbed-mum-harmed-baby-jail-sentence-Tipton-West-Midlands What was the judge asleep 😠 should have been a life sentence for this scumbag.
  21. Equin0x

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    If he was not guilty, why did he say "I just broke the Geneva Convention"?
  22. Zulu 22

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    There was much speculation at the trial that the terrorist was already dead and that actually Blackman fired into a dead body. He had virtually, almost been in half. Likewise it was not unheard of for bodies to have been booby trapped, and or surrounded by explosive devices. As I understand it there was no medical evidence that he (the terrorist) was alive only a conjecture. The strongest evidence against him was that he said something like "Shuffle off this mortal coil" or words to that effect. That is why I said that a jury would have probably returned a "Not Guilty" verdict. The Court
  23. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    You kind of have an argument, loosely there was a risk in Afghanistan to service personnel in large bases such as Camp Bastion etc, but not a sign risk to life. The enemy were largely recognisable too. NI was very different. The IRA were terrorists, very good terrorists at that, they led the way on unconventional fighting, so much so they modelled themselves on the British military and when they needed funding, they began training foreign terrorists. This is why their Bomb signatures have been found around the globe, in particular linked to South America and the Middle East.
  24. Equin0x

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    I disagree. I understand the argument for a mercy killing, but our laws don't allow for that. If I'm out for a walk and come across someone dying a slow and painful death, I can't kill them and then argue that I was putting them out of their misery. If the person would genuinely prefer that over an agonizing death then it may be understandable, but it's still not allowed. War zone or not. If Sgt Blackman truly felt that his actions were justified, why did he say what he did about breaking the Geneva Convention? To me that's the actions of a man who knows fine well he's in the wrong.
  25. Zulu 22

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    Have you served in the Armed Forces or even discussed with anyone who has. There was no respite at all for Servicemen in Afghanistan from guerrilla warfare. The IRA were utter Cowards and could not care less about killing anyone who happened to be in their way. They were no an Army they were a terrorist organisation receiving funding from anywhere who have Republican sympathisers, predominately the USA. They thought nothing of murdering innocent people. Think of the Remembrance Day parade bombing of Men, women and children. Their only though, murder as many as they could with a huge bomb.
  26. Ether

    Former servicemen, witch hunt ?

    Not true, the firefight had ended, and you are attempting to add some form of justification by claiming one offence is different than another. The reality is, he knew what he was doing, hence his speech and comment about breaking the Geneva Convention
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