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  2. Radman

    What exactly is litter?

    I'm stating that if the offender was still refusing details when you turn up and you issue the ultimatum that they either provide you with their name and address or you're going to PND them and deal with matter yourself as a police officer and the warden is happy to provide a statement to you why wouldn't take action against someone deliberately trying to subvert the system? My experience with Enforcement Officers is that they will provide statements to police in order to support prosecution of offenders. Whilst you might not agree with the council employing external security company types (I dont) they represent that local authority whilst carrying out their duties... I think quite firmly the bigger sin is committed by the people who commit crime and then try to weasel their way out of it by abusing the system.
  3. Chaos

    What exactly is litter?

    These officers are not council wardens, they are kingdom security who are a private company employed by the council to enforce littering offences... Every ticket they issue Kingdom and the council get a portion of the profits each... It's safe to say they have targets and their discretion threshold is quite low. I would suggest that the enforcement officers wouldn't want to provide witness statements so the police could deal with the offence... They just want the name and address from the offender so they can get a tick...
  4. Agreed... But in my force... If it's a low risk, 39 assault.... And positive action is taken... Then force policy is happy for officers to use discretion... As long as the officers rational has been justified on the crime report... I have even written off before now low level 47 assaults without arrest.... As long as positive action is taken, it's the right thing to do for the victim and it can be justified. But that's just my force and I can see that approach might not sit well with other officers from other forces.
  5. “One group are private individuals and the other are public servants. There is a difference.” Not according to Sir Robert Peel. Whose principles stand today. The police are Crown Servants, not public servants.
  6. How in a million years is it fair Pavillion we are talking about the backbone of the British criminal system of the right not to self incriminate ones self being removed...
  7. Today
  8. Pavillion

    CCTV - share or not to share....

    Most public organisations are pretty poor when understanding and applying the DPA and I am sure will fail miserably when applying the GDPA. The Police are some of the worst offenders of breaching DPA.
  9. Return to News A man and a woman have been charged respectively with firearms and drugs offences as investigations by a joint NCA and Metropolitan Police unit targeted organised crime and associated violence from UK ports to London streets. The two investigations are part of sustained efforts to tackle the range of threats posed by the class A drugs trade, particularly undermining of UK border controls, and the use of violence and weapons by those controlling distribution within the UK. On Friday 18 May, 32-year-old Spanish national, Olivia Anton-Altamirano, was charged with drugs importation in relation to the seizure of 259kg of class A drugs smuggled into the UK from Mexico, which were hidden inside a specially-constructed, industrial fruit processing machine. The haul included 250kg of cocaine and 9kg of methamphetamine (crystal meth) worth an estimated combined street value of £22 million. Officers from the joint NCA and Metropolitan Police Organised Crime Partnership (OCP) had arrested her at her home in Blackheath two days earlier. On the day Anton-Altamirano was charged, 32- year-old Sher-Afghan Kattak, was arrested in White City following a surveillance operation by the OCP. He was charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, following the discovery of a converted blank-firing BBM Gap pistol and loaded magazine in the locker of a nearby health club Kattack was further arrested on suspicion of possession with intent to supply class A drugs and has since been remanded in police custody. John Coles, head of Specialist Operations at the NCA, said: “These investigations demonstrate our systematic response to the threats posed by the trade in class A drugs, and our ability to take effective action at different points of the supply chain. “Here we have a potentially lucrative plot by organised criminals to smuggle 259kg of class A drugs into the UK, which would have eventually found itself being sold on the streets of London. “Not only would these profits have gone on to fund the continued supply of dangerous drugs, it would have further fuelled the serious violence that we so regularly see associated with this kind of activity. “Those drugs would have been distributed by criminal groups who fight for and enforce control of that supply with the use of lethal firearms like the one recovered here. “The work of the Organised Crime Partnership showcases the shared commitment of the NCA and the Metropolitan Police to keeping people safe from organised crime and the violence it brings.” Further information on the drug importation attempt The fruit processor containing the cocaine and methamphetamine had arrived at London Gateway Port on 17 March 2018 and was immediately treated as suspicious by Border Force officers. Due to the construction of the 3.5 tonne machinery and the fact it had been laced with lead, it took a team of Border Force and OCP officers several hours to break into the concealment. It was eventually found to contain the drugs haul, which was removed. On 4 May, OCP officers conducted a controlled delivery of the now empty machinery to a storage facility in Wood Green. Anton-Altamirano was charged with the importation of class A drugs and remanded in custody. Mark Kennedy, Border Force Deputy Director, said: “Border Force officers play a crucial role in securing our borders against drug smuggling. In this case, their professionalism has meant that dangerous Class A drugs have been seized and will no longer end up in our communities where they can do so much harm.

“We continue to work with our colleagues from the National Crime Agency to do all we can to stamp out this despicable trade and bring those responsible to justice.” Share this Page: View the full article
  10. One group are private individual and the other are public servants. There is a difference. Yes, but Police Officers are not acting as private individuals, can you not recognise the difference? A private individual is not taking any sort of remuneration when being questioned by the Police. The democracy (within reason) stops when you take the silver.
  11. 23 May 2018 Chair Calum Macleod The Home Secretary will be invited to take the opportunity to make a difference to the lives of police officers as he addresses the rank and file for the first time today. Calum Macleod, chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales, will welcome the Right Honourable Sajid Javid MP as he take the stage to address delegates at the PFEW annual conference - his first major appointment since being appointed Home Secretary. Among the issues Mr Macleod will raise are the Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Bill and he will call on the Government to show support for emergency service workers and “agree that they are not society’s punch bags for those fuelled by drink and drugs, or trying to evade arrest” and to show officers that they are worth “more than an abused household pet." We are campaigning for changes to legislation and the Bill is progressing through Parliament, but Mr Macleod will urge the Home Secretary to take the opportunity for Government to make it stronger as currently “it gives nowhere near the level of protection we expected for police officers.” The maximum term for common assault is to increase to 12 months. As the Bill stands, it means offenders may face little or no additional consequences for their actions when it comes to common assault, because magistrates do not currently have 12 months’ sentencing powers and therefore six months is the maximum that can be expected. “We have argued that the sentence should be 24 months yet it was felt by some in government to be unreasonable so the Home Secretary has an opportunity to address this important issue,” Mr Macleod will say, comparing it to the Animal Welfare Bill, which increases the maximum prison sentence for animal cruelty tenfold, from six months to five years - which has received Government support. “It makes a mockery of our justice system,” he will say. He will also call on the Home Secretary to implement Section 154(1) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003, empowering the magistrates courts to hand down more appropriate sentencing. “We’re calling on the Government to send a clear message to the Crown Prosecution Service, that failing to support victims of crime – police officers who are assaulted while serving the public - is completely and totally unacceptable.” View the full article
  12. Yesterday
  13. Radman

    What exactly is litter?

    The warden is a Council Employee a trusted witness and technically a public servant. If they're happy and willing to give me a statement the PND is getting issued. It's their evidence that will be tested in court if it ever gets that far - I would generally unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise support other enforcement bodies in maintaining basic law and order... Let's throw a different scenario out there and say a PCSO witnesses a low level offence but the offender is refusing details? Would you take the same view? Probably not and in my opinion the situation is no different. That's my take on it - but it doesn't change the fact that the person has committed an additional offence of failing to provide details.
  14. It's scary what get a through the filters of a Sergeant, Inspector, PSD triage, PSD investigator, PSD Superintendent, IOPC investigator, IOPC Commissioner, Chief Officer... The legally qualified chairs have been a god send. Whilst I still have the odd gripe with some decisions that's no different to court decisions - but since their introduction they have made short work of separating the wheat from the chaff.
  15. MerseyLLB

    What exactly is litter?

    I wouldn't be issuing a PND on the basis of the mere say so of someone else. Either I witness the offence or I have MG11s/CCTV etc already reviewed.
  16. ParochialYokal

    Civil Injunctions vs CBO

    I am a bit rusty but I think that a power of arrest depends on whether a power of arrest is actually attached to the injunction. The arrested person does indeed need to be put before the next available court. I also think it created issues that as the person had been arrested by virtue of a power attached to a civil injunction, as opposed to committing a criminal offence, then they had a different status under PACE which confused many Custody SGTs. Again, I am very rusty on the subject.
  17. ParochialYokal

    What exactly is litter?

    Unless there is some kind of data sharing agreement in place that would facilitate the dynamic sharing of information, the male was quiet right in stating that the council would have to apply for formal disclosure under the DPA. However, the General Data Protection Regulation takes effect on Friday (but the legislation to enact it into domestic law has been delayed). Whilst GDPR specifically governs Processing data relating to criminal convictions, I cannot are a section relating to alleged crimes. There is a catch-all provision called ‘public task’: As such, section 6E would probably apply. I am not sure whether that disclosure can be made on the basis of a dynamic assessment or a written request? In any event, it would seem best practice that the council would need to submit a written request in order to satisfy the police that the person has a case to answer and disclosure of details is therefore necessary to facilitate prosecution. A wider consideration relates to the rules of evidence. The mere verbal disclosure by a police officer would be tantamount to being heresay evidence and would probably need a supporting statement.
  18. The home secretary is to tell police officers he understands how “hard and horrible” their work can be because of watching his brother’s career. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sajid-javid-home-secretary-police-brother-job-bas-federation-speech-a8364361.html
  19. A decision to arrest should also be made with due regard to your force’s policy on domestic abuse. The nature of the considerations made should reflect the nuance of allegations made within a domestic context, as opposed to just the offence at hand.
  20. I disagree. Her admissions of perpetrating a common assault fits within the definition of domestic abuse. She should have been locked up. The fact that most people would have sympathy with her is based upon our perceptions of gender. Where a man plays up and gets a slap then people think “he deserved it”. But would we ever think that it is acceptable to slap a woman who engaged in such provocation? No, we wouldn’t. Perhaps we would have back in the 1970s... In fact, the sentencing guidelines have been changed for domestic abuse in order to remove consideration of provocation as a a reasonable motigatory factor: Moreover, the wishes of a victim in a such a situation are not an overriding consider when sentencing (and, by implication, when making charging decisions): The reality in this day and age of equality is that women need to be held to the same standard of accountability as men. It is no wonder that so few men report domestic abuse when the realities of the service that men sometimes receive from the police is based upon outdated views of gender. She was foolish enough to freely admit the common assault and it is hardly surprising that management were somewhat shocked she wasn’t nicked. The police service now has a wider duty of care to victims of domestic abuse and that means in such circumstances people need to be nicked and interviewed under caution.
  21. I will take your word for it. Well I may actually just try and get a liaison visit to a firearms unit when I get chance and see if I can get on the shoots. Amazing what you can get by asking.
  22. There's too much here to individually answer everything, but I would say that, at least in my own experience, the standards of firearms training vs OST are incomparable. Perhaps it's because we don't have an everyday version of firearms training comparable to OST, but it is treated as some kind of elite level and taken very seriously. You can't ever truly replicate the stresses of the real thing, but they don't do a bad job by any means.
  23. Is this really necessary? How often to officers outright refuse to provide statements? Or take months to reply? I’ve always provided a full account after sending it for my local fed rep to glance over. You’re still in control of what you say or don’t say.
  24. Chaos

    CCTV - share or not to share....

    Most likely, the officer who gave the advice to the owner of the CCTV may have given misleading or wrong advice and the admin is now worried... I don't see an issue with it... I would love the suspect of the burg to ring up the police to complain about his photo being used on social media... "What did you say your name was again" ... [emoji848][emoji39]
  25. If it was possible to trust them, then I don't think it would be a problem. But time and witch hunt again has shows its not the case. How do you show what can officer did or did not see. What if they don't recall? Is that a disciplinary? What if they were looking the other way? It can actually happen. It might sound like a strong tactic to defeat those pesky police but I think it will create more issues than is solves.. If officers felt that information would be treated properly as well as their colleagues but not the current organisation.
  26. How? Are Police Officers not just uniformed members of the public in which they serve? The right to make no comment, is inherent to all, I see no reason why officers should be treated differently, people are the first to complain when the police get discounts or are treated favourably.
  27. Manchester attack: Choirs lead mass sing-along 22 May 2018 Related TopicsManchester Arena attack Image caption People gathered in Albert Square to take part in the mass sing-along Over 3,500 singers are coming together to lead a chorus of amateur voices in a mass sing-along to remember the Manchester Arena attack victims. Twenty-two people died and hundreds injured when a bomb was detonated outside a concert on 22 May 2017. Manchester Together in Albert Square will feature songs by Elbow and Oasis. It follows a memorial service at Manchester Cathedral, which saw Prince William join political leaders and the families of the victims to remember. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionWho were the 22 victims of the Manchester Arena attack? Some of those who have gathered have a connection to what happened on the night, while others have come to show their support. Gina and Casey Hankey, from Stoke, said they were at the arena. "We did the arena visits, so this is another step. The atmosphere has been good so far, but it's still a bit sad." Rachel and Mia, from Bolton, said they had come "to show we won't be beaten and show you carry on and remember those who died". Julie, from Eccles, who came with her son Louis, said they wanted "to pay our respects as it just touched everybody". 'Stand up and rise up' The sing-along will see performances from 10 singing groups, including the Manchester Survivors Choir and the Parrs Wood High School Harmony Group. The former is made up of people who were caught up the attack last year, while the latter saw their post-attack tribute - a version of Ariana Grande's My Everything - go viral and earn them the chance to perform with the star at the One Love Manchester concert. Image copyright Getty Images Image caption Many at the sing-along were wearing the bee emblem, a symbol of Manchester's defiance That concert was held two weeks after the homemade device was detonated outside Grande's concert. Cath Hill, who is in Manchester Survivors' Choir, said while they had "been through something really difficult", the group had wanted to "stand up and rise up and show everybody that we are carrying on". The two-hour event will conclude with a mass sing-along of four songs - Grande's One Last Time, Elbow's One Day Like This, Take That's Never Forget and Oasis' Don't Look Back In Anger. That final song became an anthem of defiance in the aftermath of the attack and was sung by a crowd in Manchester's St Ann's Square following a minute's silence on 25 May 2017. St Ann's Square was also be where the majority of tributes were left following the attack and will be the scene of the last part of the city's day of remembrance. From 21:30 BST, song lyrics chosen by members of the public will be projected onto its pavements and buildings. You can view special coverage of the "Manchester Together" commemoration event between 19:00 and 21:00 BST on the BBC news channel or via the BBC News website. View the full article
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