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  3. Fedster

    Recommended books for new recruit?

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  4. Hi guys! I have currently been offered a conditional place for WYP. I have my fitness test and medical next week. Submitted all my vetting forms so fingers crossed should be joining by the end of the year 🤞 During the 15 weeks training, do you get given any books or do they recommend any books to buy? Looking to buy these now whilst I play the waiting game for vetting. Thank you for the suggestions in advance 😊
  5. Sceptre

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    Breach of the peace is not an offence. One cannot be convicted of it, only bound over to keep the peace. If some conduct, otherwise lawful, provokes a violent reaction then the people reacting violently are the ones breaching the peace. This is the law as it was when you were still in the job, and I can't put it much more plainly for you.
  6. A 24-year-old man who was arrested yesterday (2nd July) as part of an National Crime Agency led investigation under Operation Venetic has been charged. Alsi Vata, of Deptford, South East London, was charged with conspiring to supply firearms and ammunition, as well as class A and B drugs. Yesterday (2 July) the NCA announced that it had been working with international law enforcement since 2016 to target EncroChat – the supplier of encrypted devices used by criminals worldwide to coordinate illicit activity. Two months ago the platform was infiltrated, allowing the NCA and police to monitor the users’ every move under Operation Venetic. Vata was detained by NCA officers, supported by the Metropolitan Police Service, as he left an apartment in Soho on Thursday morning. He is due to appear at Leeds Crown Court on 17th July 2020. Peter Stevens, Branch Commander at the NCA, said: “It’s undeniable the levels of violence and exploitation that are linked to illegal drugs and firearms in the UK. “Tackling the networks behind this type of criminality is a priority for the NCA and Operation Venetic is our most significant breakthrough in the fight against serious and organised crime. “Not only are we arresting the criminal kingpins, we’re disrupting those middle-tier criminals before they can make their way up the chain and cause even greater harm.” View the full article
  7. And don't forget the Dutch! "Since 2016, the National Crime Agency has been working with international law enforcement agencies to target EncroChat and other encrypted criminal communication platforms by sharing technical expertise and intelligence. Two months ago this collaboration resulted in partners in France and the Netherlands infiltrating the platform. The data harvested was shared via Europol." https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/operation-venetic A prime example of partnership working in action.
  8. A man who tried to smuggle cocaine worth over £8 million into the UK in a van delivering toy bricks has pleaded guilty. Today at Canterbury Crown Court, Marek Wisniewski, 45, from Bytom, Poland, admitted to attempting to import 80 kilos of Class A drugs – which had a potential street value of an estimated £8.1 million. The National Crime Agency launched an investigation into the Polish national after Border Force officers stopped him attempting to pass through Dover’s Eastern Docks on 29 May. When officers searched the vehicle they found blocks of cocaine stuffed in holdall bags. The bags were hidden behind pallets, amongst boxes of toy bricks that were destined for a company address in Cambridgeshire. He had started his journey from Poland and told officers that he didn’t know how the drugs had got there. Wisniewski appeared before Margate Magistrates Court on 30 May and was remanded in custody until today’s plea hearing. He is due to be sentenced on 9 July. NCA Dover Branch Commander Martin Grace said: “Serious and organised crime networks rely on people like Wisniewski to carry out the leg work and now he’ll have to face the consequences. “The profit that can be made from drugs mean criminals will try almost anything to smuggle their product into the country and evade detection. “Working with partners like Border Force, we’ve been able to stop this cocaine reaching the streets of the UK and caused disruption to the group behind it.” David Smith, Border Force regional director, said: “Illegal drugs have a significant impact on our society, being the root cause behind countless burglaries, thefts and robberies. They are also used as a commodity by organised criminals linked to violence and exploitation of the vulnerable. “Border Force will continue to work with our law enforcement partners at the NCA to bring offenders like Wisnieskwi to justice and to disrupt the workings of organised criminal groups in the UK.” 3 July 2020 View the full article
  9. Zulu 22

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    The offence is "Conduct liable to cause a Breach of the Peace" That conduct could be such as to provoke a violent reaction therefore a Full Breach of the Peace could occur. We are just differing on the type of Conduct. You have one view, I have another.
  10. Sceptre

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    I quoted the relevant parts, rather than the fluff about refreshing my knowledge of common law as I think it's obvious I'd already done that to find the caselaw. I'll refer you back to those three cases I quoted which say that the power to prevent a BOP should be directed at the people acting unreasonably, which in this case must surely be those outraged people who would be responsible for the assault, affray or other disturbance - the law and the accepted norms of society do not leave room for recourse to violence at the sight of something offensive. I'd suggest that merely displaying an offensive slogan including a swear word as part of a peaceful protest is not worthy of state detention under law intended to prevent harm coming about through those who would inflict violence - while I do think you're being a bit dramatic about modern attitudes to the word **** being as common as it is ultimately the word used is meaningless so much as the concept of offence. Do we now detain anyone who does or says anything which might offend or move someone else to anger? Is that not a rather significant encroachment upon the freedom of speech?
  11. "The NCA created the technology and specialist data exploitation capabilities required to process the EncroChat data," Other articles say that it's the French cops who cracked it 🤔 https://www.ft.com/content/7006913f-be3d-49b5-8ba7-7c5b78b551b2
  12. Zulu 22

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    Because I can think of many people who would fin d the T shirt so offensive that they would be incensed and provoked by seeing it. One of the classes of person who would be offended and likely to be provoked into action would be the parents, with standards, of children who could see it. There are still such people in society who would see this type of conduct reprehensible. Not everyone in society has yet sunk to the depths of language that the women had. I notice that you are back to taking sections of a quote, rather than the whole to quote out of sequence.
  13. Nice work by the police and the NCA getting on top of the gangs who peddle Drugs and much more and taken there ill gotten gains .
  14. PcJacob

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    I think under article 10 it's an open and shut case (she will win) I don't believe she will get much of a payout though.
  15. Sceptre

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    Can you explain how then please, rather than just using an emoji to disagree with me?
  16. Zulu 22

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    Then just refresh yourself on Common Law Breach of the Peace. As many variations of scenario's can be given and all will probably have a different meaning, understanding or result. Each case would have to be judged and decided on the actually circumstances, words, actions etc. In the case of the "T" shirt subject of the topic I believe that a Breach of the Peace was likely, whether I would have arrested her would have depended on the whole of the circumstances, not a short filmed version.
  17. Sceptre

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    Coming from someone who's just put a confused reaction on a post on a post explaining a breach of the peace!
  18. Zulu 22

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    Sadly the officer of today does not know his legislation as well as they should. Of course you get the public defenders who want to record incidents, usually in part only to give a false impression. It is fortunate that much of this is negated by the body camera's now widely in use.
  19. Radman

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    If this is going before the Civil Courts doesn't there have to be an element of actual loss or harm in someway? The only reason I say this is due to the car parking firms where many couldn't prove the loss of revenue due to someone parking in a space which is free. Will a two minute conversation amount to significant harm or breach? Just thinking logically here, how many conversations have I had with people where I've suspected an offence has taken place but taken no action against them bar words of advice or just let them go on their way?
  20. It's terrible when we have to follow our own rules isn't it?
  21. Billy Blue Tac

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    A probationer emailed me the other month asking if there was a "Weighs and Memes Act" Oh, how we laughed.
  22. Reasonable Man

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    Funny how the old ‘Ways and Means Act’ has less traction in these days of citizens knowing a lot more about their rights and a plethora of recording devices available to prove what was said and done by both sides in an encounter. Means the officer on the street needs to know their stuff a lot better these days - if they are to avoid embarrassment, or worse.
  23. Sceptre

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    For a start you've only quoted half of the Howell definition - occurring when harm is done or is likely to be done to a person, or in his presence to his property, or whenever a person is in fear of being harmed through an assault, affray, riot or other disturbance. There's no suggestion the person in the T-shirt was being violent, so presumably you're suggesting arresting them in case some other person is moved to such ire by its insulting nature that they assault the wearer? The prospect of a breach of the peace must be real and imminent rather than a fanciful speculation, Foulkes v CC Merseyside [1998], and a power only exists to arrest the person whose unreasonable behaviour gives rise to the likelihood of a BOP in the first place, Nicol and Selvanayagam v DPP [1995], Redmond-Bate v DPP [1999] and Bibby v CC of Essex Police [2000]. Seeing that verbal abuse is not sufficient to amount to a breach of the peace, Hawkes v DPP [2005], it seems hard to see how an insulting T-shirt could even if its wearer was the guilty party.
  24. Zulu 22

    F Boris - The Great T-shirt Debate

    The definition of breach of the peace used in that UK case is that the behaviour of the person involved caused the police officer (or private citizen) to believe that: a breach of the peace had or would occur; and that it related to harm which was actually done or likely to be done to a person or, in his/ her presence, their property. The R v Howell case also confirmed that the police (or a private citizen) have the power to arrest without a warrant where: a breach of the peace was committed in the presence of the person making the arrest; there was a threat of a breach of the peace being renewed; and although no breach had been committed, the person making the arrest reasonably and honestly believed that such a breach would be committed in the immediate future. I would think that her behaviour was likely to cause a Breach of the Peace. I would just require one person to cause to react to her behaviour.
  25. Yesterday
  26. You might want to Google what a BoP actually is, because it's not what you think it is.
  27. SimonT

    136 MHA

    Many thanks. It kind of feels like I'm writing the codes of practice all over again. So any info I havd is gold
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