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  2. 170 Unlawful obtaining etc of personal data (1) It is an offence for a person knowingly or recklessly... (c) after obtaining personal data, to retain it without the consent of the person who was the controller in relation to the personal data when it was obtained. People will inevitably take work home sometimes and accidents will happen occasionally, which surely should be seen as a performance issue not gross misconduct. That being said a lot of them could be prevented with a bit of diligence and some sensible choices about where to store things, personally I wouldn't take documents home as it isn't that difficult to find places in police stations to keep the odd box of files.
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  4. Owen

    Greater Manchester Police Recruitment

    Changed Police Officer to Recruitment Open Changed Special Constable to Recruitment Open
  5. The problem is with the Mental Health care, so called, professionals. Them Police are not there to replace services, they should be able to refer people to help. There is only so much training that can be given. The HMI's, College of Policing, and NACALT have a lot to answer for. The Officer on the street is not the fall guy, he/she is the only person trying to get help directed with no back up.
  6. Ahead of this year's National Police Memorial Day (NPMD) Chair John Apter takes a moment to talk about how important it is to remember and celebrate the ...
  7. We've created this problem within society by trying to do things as cheaply as possible, care in the community has been an absolute failure so far that it has led to tragic outcomes on numerous occasions now and nothing has been done about it over the span of decades it has been implemented. The vast majority of railway fatalities I have personally attended and investigated where suicide was the verdict, almost all of the people had extensive contact with mental health teams, had weekly visits from nurses but all seemed to be struggling to engage properly with services, take their medication properly or even look after themselves adequately. Mental health incidents now frankly forms a larger part of my core role than actual policing, some far more serious than others but I can almost guarantee on afters today I will be called to an incident involving a suicide attempt or mentally vulnerable person coming into contact with the railway. I also believe and this is perhaps more controversial of me that not only are we failing as a society to protect our most vulnerable adequately but we are failing to ensure young people especially have a positive outlook on their lives. We seem to be obsessed with labelling individuals as ill or suffering from a disorder or condition which has a dramatic negative impact on their lives and seems to stall lots of people before they've even begun living. Many young men I come across have no direction in life, they spend all day either playing on their consoles and smoking cannabis, wasting their potential, locking themselves away from society/work. When you ask them if they want to go out and work or create a positive future for themselves they throw roadblocks in their way that have been told to them time and time again: "I have a personality disorder." "I can't do that because of my depression." "I get anxious around new people." This is a regular problem and seems to develop into more serious mental health problems later on down the line... A young 18 year old man with few qualifications, no job, no partner, no drive, who spends all day locked away in their room achieving NOTHING at all is going to have depression, purely because they aren't active, aren't participating and have little purpose or structure to their lives. That is my take on it anyhow.
  8. But you could do more....... I stand by the fact that it is not our place to pick up the slack from other failing services.
  9. They do report back to Government. She mentions the broader public services in her report - but HMICFRS inspects the police and fire and rescue services. It’s for the Govt to pull it all together. Criticism of the fire service will be in the reports on the fire service. Constant criticisms? I read - ‘Officers were found to have a “good understanding” of what mental health is, said Ms Billingham, Ms Billingham did say she was “absolutely delighted” by the care, empathy and commitment demonstrated by the police during recent inspections. “There is no doubting the commitment we saw, so my delight is probably surpassing any delight I have ever experienced as an HMI. It has been extraordinary”, she added. ... in more than 90 per cent of cases, mental health victims received a “stratospherically good” service from the police in comparison to other areas, she added. “It’s a problem for all of us. I think we need to stop pretending that we can cope and we need to stop pretending that it’s alright.”’ Doesn’t read like constant criticism to me.
  10. Return to News 26 September 2018 A Derby man has been jailed in France for heading up a criminal network that smuggled hundreds of migrants into the UK. Rekawt Kayani, aged 36, was arrested by National Crime Agency officers at his home address in the Normanton area of Derby in May 2016, as part of a joint operation being run with the French police. He was involved in numerous smuggling runs including one in June 2015 when 68 migrants from Afghanistan, China and Vietnam were found inside four lorries at the Harwich International Port. Investigators also found Kayani orchestrated runs from Dieppe to Newhaven, and in January 2016 seven migrants were found crammed inside a concealed compartment in the back of a van (pictured right). Five of the migrants were from Vietnam and two were from Iraq. Following his arrest, which was carried out using a European Arrest Warrant, Kayani was extradited to France to face trial alongside a number of others. On Monday 24 September at a court in Lille he was sentenced to seven years in prison, a 100,000 euro fine. Upon his release from custody he will be banned from entering France for life. Seven other members of the gang were also convicted and sentenced to between 18 months and seven years in prison. NCA senior investigating officer Mick Pope said: “Gangs involved in organised immigration crime treat migrants as nothing more than a commodity they can profit out of. “Individuals found as part of this investigation had to endure horrendous conditions, crammed inside small compartments or locked in the back of lorries for hours on end. “We are working with international partners such as the French authorities to disrupt these criminal networks and arrest and prosecute those responsible wherever possible. “In this case we were able to use a European Arrest Warrant to make that possible.” The operation to arrest Kayani involved Project Invigor, the UK’s Organised Immigration Crime Taskforce set up to target the criminal networks behind people smuggling impacting on the UK and the European borders. It is led by the NCA and includes Immigration Enforcement, Crown Prosecution Service, Border Force and the Home Office working in the UK and internationally. Share this Page: View the full article
  11. It should be their job to report back to the government as well police forces as to why police forces may need improving in areas and recognise that fault is not always at the doors of individual police forces. Why are the police always the fall back service for over capacity of other public services? We have enough of our own work to do. If we have an increase in demand for mental health then why aren’t the HMIC working with the CQC or NICE to address the issue rather than criticise the police who are barely keeping the wheel on each day. Where is the criticism of the fire service for not multi skilling and relieving the pressure on the ambulance service that’s been talked about for years. Constant inspections, recommendations for improvement and criticisms gets you nowhere. You end up with a situation where you can no longer see the wood for the trees.
  12. If there was a national shortage of washing machine fixers and the Govt decreed that Vets are the emergency backup for washing machine disasters then I guess she would.
  13. So you half understand what HMICFRS does. Yes, it is their job to criticise. It is not their job to provide solutions. In their reports are recommendations and areas for improvement. It’s then down to the police service to react to those. The Home Office and police service itself sets the standards, HMICFRS then inspects against those.
  14. Good old HMIC. Ever the critic, rarely be providing solutions or perspective of where and how policing is today. This should have been a recommendation or advice. I struggle to see why someone would yield so much power. She criticises NCALT for being a tick box but what she is proposing will be akin to a tick box to satisfy the latest HMIC brainwave. Ironic. Do we send paramedics or firefighters out on the streets with basic law knowledge? Do nurses have knowledge of law and criminal prosecutions? Perhaps we should also have basic knowledge in social work, the care system, drug and alcohol rehabilitation, the list goes on. Meanwhile people are getting stabbed, shot and drug dealers running free to peddle their trade.
  15. Would she call a vet to come and fix her washing machine? Thought not.
  16. I accept MS Billingham is being in no way critical of the officers on the ground. In fact, she, as far as I can tell is being quite the opposite, however, I really don’t agree with the proposals to support it. We don’t need more training, we could probably afford to have much less if the agencies and authorities that are supposed to be responsible for dealing with such issues stepped up and did what they should. We ignore crime and close cases at a moments glance because we haven’t got the resources, it’s not in the public interest or the evidence hasn’t been handed to us on a plate by some poor victim who’s only contact with us was when they spoke to a member of staff over the phone to report their crime. Yet we will quickly allocate one, two or three units over multiple shifts to watch a patient in a hospital that no medical staff want to deal with or to respond to 999 calls from people who are feeling down because their care plan written by supposed professionals says call the police not us. As police we are subject to more scrutiny and more criticism than any other public service yet we continue to take on the responsibilities and demands (normally the most high risk) of every other agency out there at the expense of the real core duties of crime prevention and detection. The council don’t exercise and employ people to enforce the bylaws and laws they are empower to do unless they can make money from it. The NHS provide a p**s poor service that is lacking in capacity and/or capability when it comes to MH and does nothing to reduce the strain on police just increase it. As for social services well I can honestly say in six years of dealing with them I haven’t got one good word to say about them. All three of those bodies failings are the reasons why we can’t get on with our role. Why we can’t spend time improving our crime fighting and prevention skills. Why we spend countless hours ticking boxes on ncalts to lean other peoples roles. Why we spend even more hours just sitting with and talking to people trying to reassure them that things will get better when deep down we know that once someone from the NHS has finally taken responsibility for them they will be released back into the big wide world for us to only repeat the same old charade the next night. Ms Billingham thank you for the support, thank you for the praise but please don’t sail us down the river and set us up for more time dealing with other agencies problems. Please fight back and push back and push back saying these officers are doing fantastic but enough is enough you (NHS, social services, council) take responsibility and do what’s is required.
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  18. Did you read the article at the top of the post? Zoe is praising the front line officers - those who ‘have the balls’ to be there. Her criticism is that they are being let down by inadequate training support. She criticises NCALT packages - as do many officers on these threads, and the College of Policing - that institution that you have attacked several times. Did you just see HMIC and go into attack mode?
  19. Policey_Man

    City Of London Police Recruitment

    City of London are open to new PCs - with SEARCH pass results.
  20. Ms Billingham is just showing how out of her depth she is. We rely on qualified Mental Health practitioners, who are supposed to know what they are doing. They demonstrate time after time that, even they, are out of their depth. What mental health qualifications has Billingham got. Perhaps we should be trained as Doctors, Social Workers, Lawyers, Mechanics, etc etc. I do not know of any Mental Health experts who are trained as Police Officer's. I was Fed up being let down by the medics response to us almost every time when exercising powers under the mental health act and, time and time again those practioners were reluctant to authorise detention. They were worse than Social Workers, and that is saying something. As usual when something is wrong, blame the Police. Ms Billingham you are an HMI, so act like one instead of attacking those who actually have the balls to be on the front line making instantaneous decisions.
  21. PrimeCut

    SEARCH Replacement Results

    Thanks for the reply, that helps me feel more hopeful! I'm just waiting to hear back from the force I did the SEARCH with. You're absolutely right that almost every force only accepts them within 12 months, but City of London are accepting those passed within 2 years, and the Met don't have any time limit (having spoken to recruitment on the phone) so they'll accept them from whenever.
  22. She's not saying her level of training is better than ours, she's saying ours is rubbish. And she's right. In 12 years, my MH training equates to an NCALT package and two emails. That's not just poor, it's downright negligent.
  23. How much mental heath training has MS Billingham had to criticise the amount police officers have been given?
  24. How much basic mental health training is enough to achieve whatever it it she wants us to? How much specialism do I need? How will I maintain it? Do I get a yearly refresher? What level is enough to deal with every possible encounter? Our mental health nurse has stacks of qualifications and still struggles frequently. I appreciate what she is saying, but it's not the police who need to up their game. When someone who is mentally ill comes to police notice its already too late. I can communicate with mentally ill people, I do so every day at times. I can communicate that the crisis team won't come and see them, that out of hours is closed due to budget cuts. That I only have one power to help them and there are no beds in the county so we will sit in AnE until that power runs out and I'm detaining them illegally. I can tell them that because of parity of esteem I can't drive the 20 minute's to hospital, I have to call an ambulance and wait 2 hours and that they will get a uniformed police escourt, just like someone with a broken leg. I will use a power of pursuasion. I will problem solve and hope things will go OK and the person will be OK and I won't get the iopc treatment. Extra training would be nice, but the list of things that would be better is much larger.
  25. obsidian_eclipse

    Would you arrest somebody for possession of FARB Gel?

    Weirdly enough Radman alot of the legislation to appoint constables still exists for the local authorities and I'm surprised they went down the whole accredited officers route. But then again labour were flinging about cash at the time to encourage accreditation schemes and such like. Even a Church Warden has the powers of a constable on church grounds. When you read Hansard in relation to offensive weapons in the 1950s/60s the intent was never to restrict the ordinary person or 'night watchman' from going about there daily lives or possessing weapons - but the teddy boy gangs, mods and rockers. Yes, reference was made that people could be festooned with weapons of all manner on their own property but it seems over time this was extended in a divided manner to mean that off your property you can't. As it stands now. If I were to carry a knife and get caught they'd probably make an example - despite never having been in trouble. Yet, we catch the same offenders over and over again with knifes or knuckle dusters who seem to get the eternal suspended sentence treatment (some rocking up over 100 offences in their short lives - though granted they aren't all weapons offences) In Germany my sister can walk into a shop and buy a Taser for self defence, with just her identity card. She doesn't own one herself as she feels pretty safe over there, but over here in the UK she says it's horrible and doesn't feel anywhere near as safe.
  26. The press love stating things!! If you clearly state something that's obvious it becomes important and people wonder why. The officer arrived, clearly wearing a hat! A hat? Why would he do that, probably an officious type, probably bully etc
  27. Owen

    Special Transfer

    Cheers Buck, that’s a massive help. Yeah i’m IPS & Tutor etc Also would be the same re interview training as we don’t get that. Fingers crossed I have the interview soon.. Owen
  28. XA84

    SEARCH Replacement Results

    I don't personally have any experience of this but would definitely imagine that either the force in question or the people that actually run the national SEARCH assessment centres will hold them. Do you mind me asking why you are wanting to get a copy of your results from 2016? I only ask as your SEARCH results are only valid for 1 year so if you were planning on using them for an application then you won't be able to. Hope this helps.
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