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  2. Two tiered policing can be seen across the world, not just the US... Canada, France, Germany and numerous others. LA would swear in their own police because they can directly address issues which the police do not see as a priority, such as street drinking, begging, other low level issues - I do not believe Burglary, theft or assault are minor. So what if BTP were a private police force? Can you with a straight face tell me that the home office would respond and investigate offences such as rail obstruction, luggage theft or indeed a byelaw offence? How about a non-compliant travel fraud incident? No, yet because BTP is specialised to that environment, has it's remit it dedicates its time to railway policing - the home office has its role of one size fits all policing which frankly rarely works well.
  3. I disagree about L.A. Policing. In the USA it is a shambles with Police Dept's, Sheriffs, State Troopers, FBI, etc. The only possible reason for L.A.'s wanting to set up their own constabulary is that the Policing is failing and letting them down. Just some of the reasons are those highlighted in the original post of not bothering with certain minor crimes. It quotes as minor crimes offences of Burglary, Theft and Assault and they are not minor crimes, just ask a victim. Let us not forget that Local Authorities have taken over a lot of responsibilities which the Police can no longer be bothered with. Do not praise the BTP too much as they at one time were a private Police Force and in no way can be held up as a paragon of Policing. Why would any L.A. want to set up their own Police Force, only if we were failing the population and in many ways we are. It is us who should improve, and that means more officers and more investment which is down to the Government.
  4. The EU Referendum Discussion Thread

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  6. Hello MAGF11 On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  7. Hello Benjamin.B On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  8. Low-level crimes to go uninvestigated in Met police spending cuts

    L That's a shame because we really could do with some schemes which could be evaluated to see the benefit or not such services might bring. Strange the force took this view. I have had a CC asking me to discuss with a cathedral on his patch the possibility of setting up a cathedral constable service there.
  9. Low-level crimes to go uninvestigated in Met police spending cuts

    There is a local authority in my county (who's police station was closed down recently) who actually made preparations to start it's own private constabulary following pressure from councillors and businesses using local authority powers. However, I think the force panicked a bit and have instead opened a small community hub with a 3 officers dedicated to the area. It would have been an interesting experiment if it had gone ahead.
  10. Ministers back tougher sentences for attacks on emergency staff

    I don't think so, but that's why we need stronger sentencing guidelines.
  11. Ministers back tougher sentences for attacks on emergency staff

    Do the current sentences for assaulting members of the emergency services ever reach near the full terms available?
  12. 17 October 2017 From the section Business Image copyright Getty Images The UK's key inflation rate climbed to 3% in September from 2.9% in August, its highest for more than five years. The Consumer Prices Index (CPI) was last at 3% in April 2012, but has been driven higher by increases in transport and food prices. The increase in inflation raises the likelihood of an increase in interest rates next month. The figures are significant because state pension payments from April 2018 will rise in line with September's CPI. Interest rate rise 'should be delayed' Inflation 'to cause £300 benefit squeeze' Business rates will go up by September's Retail Prices Index (RPI) of 3.9%. The fall in the pound since last year's Brexit vote has helped to push up inflation. The basic state pension is protected by the "triple lock" guarantee which means it will go up next April by a rate equal to September 2017's CPI, earnings growth or 2.5% whichever is the greatest. However, Chancellor Philip Hammond could amend that in next month's Budget. Letter to chancellor At the moment, the full new state pension is £159.55 per week, equivalent to £8,296.60 per year. Bank of England, Mark Carney, has narrowly avoided having to write a letter to the chancellor, only necessary if inflation reaches more than 1% either side of the 2% target. ONS Head of Inflation Mike Prestwood said: "Food prices and a range of transport costs helped to push up inflation in September. These effects were partly offset by clothing prices that rose less strongly than this time last year." Laith Khalaf, senior analyst at Hargreaves Lansdown, said: "The tick upwards in inflation will increase expectations of a rate rise from the Bank of England later on this year, stoked by a flurry of hawkish rhetoric coming from Threadneedle Street." However, he added, it is not a foregone conclusion, "so it's probably best not to count those chickens until they're hatched". Analysis: Brian Milligan, Personal Finance reporter Pensioners' delight Pensioners will be celebrating again. Today's CPI inflation figure means they will get a 3% rise next April, their largest pension increase for six years. Those on the new state pension will see their weekly income rise to £164. Compare that to workers, who've seen their earnings rise by 2.1% over the last year. This is all thanks to the triple lock, which sees the state pension rise by the highest of earnings, prices or 2.5%. Food for thought for the Chancellor, perhaps, who's reported to be considering tax concessions for younger people in his forthcoming budget, to even up the inter-generational unfairness that the triple lock has contributed to. The 2.5% element of the triple lock is due to be dropped in 2021. View the full article
  13. Correctly?!? Why does this mindset persist within HO forces? The problem with the Home Office way of thinking is that its often a 'one size fits all' model of policing with little or no specialism in place to deal with prolific problems in a particular area - by your logic I guess the money towards litter enforcement/flytipping should instead be spent on the HO forces to deal with? Local Authority Police for want of a better word works the world over, dealing with low level problems that the national forces are too busy to deal with - low level crime wasnt a priority when I was a kid growing up in the 90s - I never saw a beat officer because the mindset of policing moved away from being community focused towards a more national model... BTP itself is proof of specialisation working within policing - we deal with the things our community want us to be dealing with, we are probably one of the last forces that dedicate alot of our time to foot patrol/beats because we can afford to do so and its what is expected of us. This idea that its 'the HO or nothing' needs to change. I firmly believe one of the biggest problems to affect policing came from the removal of council operated constabularies to central government managed county forces... There needs to be that connection.
  14. I say shift responsibility for atleast some of the investigation back onto organisations and companies involved - especially public authorities who have this habit of sliding everything onto the police. The security industry goes on and on about providing a 'professional' service yet deliver the bare minimum that often isn't up to muster by anyones standards. Train security officers to submit and take statements from themselves and the companies staff on an MG11 for low level offences such as shoplifting. Encourage companies to privately prosecute or deal with things via debt recovery. Have authorities such as the NHS employ people capable of investigating crimes committed against their staff and incentivise their security to deal with problem people robustly using their powers already available to them under common law and statute legislation - we need to move away from this silly Americsnisation of various industries, the number of security officers who have been 'rebranded' as 'customer service operatives' or 'ambassadors' is a joke - get people in who are there to protect the public. Re-train police and our supervisors as to just what powers the public and security personel have and encourage the use of any person powers within these organisations in a reasonable, measured way - move away from the mind set that police monopolise the use of force or even the power to prosecute - local authorities have a LEGAL responsibility to tackle crime and anti-social behaviour - they have the ability to swear in Constables for low level enforcement with a power of arrest yet very few authorities are willing to do this. In order to fix the problems that frankly plague our society it is going to take a joint effort from not just the police but everyone including private industry, local/public authorities.
  15. We have by doing this for a couple of years. It's fine filing something when there are no lines of enquiry. More tricky to tell someone you do have the evidence but it's not worth the demand on the public purse to follow through. It's mainly used for low shoplifting and public order. Of course if you complain you get the full bells and whistles

    The senior officers that transfer in never actually see how rubbish the systems are as they only use Email. So they live in blissful ignorance although you’d think Ma’am CD would have half a clue as she’s home grown. What gets me the most is spreadsheets. They seeM to fill a system void. Someone knows how to load Excel and suddenly you’ve got checklists, tables and forms coming out of your ears.
  17. Hello ant5739 On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  18. maddebz - Welcome To Police Community

    Oops didn’t notice this thread! Thank you for the welcome! I’m an SC with The Met in West London. Maybe future regular.
  19. The EU Referendum Discussion Thread

    Brexit negotiations should accelerate, say May and Juncker 17 October 2017 From the section UK Politics Related Topics Brexit Image copyright AFP/Getty Images Image caption Mrs May and Mr Juncker embraced after their working dinner in Brussels Brexit negotiations should "accelerate over the months to come," says a joint statement from the UK prime minister and the president of the EU Commission. Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker met in Brussels earlier for a dinner they called "constructive and friendly". The meeting comes after the latest round of negotiations, where the EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier said the two sides had reached "deadlock". Downing Street sources said the dinner had "been in the diary for weeks". Mrs May and Mr Juncker said they had had a "broad, constructive exchange on current European and global challenges", including preserving the Iran nuclear deal and strengthening security in Europe to battle terrorism. The pair - who were joined by Mr Barnier and Brexit Secretary David Davis - then spoke about Article 50 negotiations. "The prime minister and the president of the European Commission reviewed the progress made in the Article 50 negotiations so far and agreed that these efforts should accelerate over the months to come," the statement read. "The working dinner took place in a constructive and friendly atmosphere." 'Accelerate' - the word the Tories need By Laura Kuenssberg, BBC political editor Image copyright Reuters Image caption Theresa May made the visit to Brussels for a 90 minute working dinner Accelerate, accelerate, accelerate, accelerate. OK, in theory, if I am driving a car at four miles per hour and I speed up to eight miles per hour, technically I am accelerating. I may still be basically crawling along. I still may be late - very, very late - for my eventual destination. But, by the very action of pressing the pedal and going faster, I am actually speeding up. If anyone accuses me of going nowhere, or slowing down - well, look at my speedometer. I am going faster and I have evidence that you are wrong! That is why, in the next few days, don't be surprised if every Tory politician you see, hear, or read about is using that word (at least those loyal to the government) to claim that there is progress in the Brexit talks, just days after the chief negotiator on the EU side declared a deadlock. Read more of Laura Kuenssberg's blog here. BBC Europe correspondent Kevin Connolly says the joint statement released after the dinner was "a masterpiece of uncommunicative communication". He said: "It recorded formally that Brexit negotiations are taking place between the EU 27 and the UK - a statement of the obvious that may hint at Brussels' displeasure with British attempts to talk directly to individual member states as well." He added: "The gnomic communique was perhaps an attempt to avoid a repeat of the fallout from the last bilateral dinner in Downing Street in April after which the EU side was reported to have described the British as 'delusional' and even disparaged the food." The three initial topics for negotiation - the amount the UK owes the EU when it leaves, the future rights of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens living in the EU, and what happens on the Northern Ireland border - were expected to dominate the conversation ahead of an EU summit later this week, attended by the leaders of the 27 EU countries. Mrs May hopes that the leaders will give Mr Barnier a mandate to start talks on future trade. But the EU has said that until "sufficient progress" is made on the three topics they will not begin discussing the UK's post-Brexit relations. Mr Barnier has also said there is still no agreement on how much the UK should pay the EU when it leaves. Last week an internal draft document suggested the EU was going to begin preparing for the possibility of trade talks beginning in December - provided the UK does more to bridge the gap on the key negotiating points. The PM discussed Brexit ahead of the dinner in phone calls with French President Emmanuel Macron and German chancellor Angela Merkel. No deal 'would hike up prices' Meanwhile, a new report suggests that leaving the EU without a trade deal would lead to a significant rise in living costs for millions of people. Research by the Resolution Foundation and trade experts at Sussex University calculates that the average household would pay an extra £260 a year for imported goods. For three million households - those who consume the most imported goods - that figure would nearly double to £500 a year. The report says that without a Brexit deal, European goods would incur the same tariffs as those imposed on other World Trade Organisation countries, increasing levies on dairy products by 45% and meat products by 37%. But a government spokesperson said ministers were optimistic about achieving an agreement with the EU that would allow for frictionless trade in goods and services. Get news from the BBC in your inbox, each weekday morning View the full article
  20. 17 October 2017 The two-day seminar will draw more than 200 delegates from across policing, including those involved in operational policing and custody. Hosted by the Police Federation of England and Wales (PFEW) the Post-Incident Procedure (PIP) seminar will feature speakers from across the policing arena, including: • Tim Godwin – Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) • Neuropsychologist Dr Jess Miller • Gill Scott-Moore, CEO of the Police Dependants’ Trust • Det Chief Superintendent Chris Mead and Temp Chief Inspector Julia Hands, from Cambridgeshire Constabulary They will be welcomed by Deputy Chief Constable Simon Chesterman, the National Police Chiefs’ Council lead for firearms, appearing via video and will be facilitated by Dave Blocksidge, from Mind Your Evidence, an independent organisation which looks at expert witness testimony and memory training solutions. Issues discussed will include how to get the most out of the post-incident brain; trauma, spatial processing and genetics; body worn video; and post incident management. Che Donald, firearms lead for the PFEW, said the seminar – which involves a training element for those in the arena – was vitally important to help aid understanding of the issues at hand. “The seminar is not just about firearms – it is much wider than that and the importance of the PIPs process affects not only firearms officers but all officers involved in the world of operational policing as well as the custody arena, where there are deaths and serious injuries." The event takes place in Staffordshire. View the full article
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    I really hope we get NICHE. Always thought it was rubbish until I came to the Met, oh how I was wrong.
  23. Disagree if the money is available for LA's then let it be spent correctly on Home Office warranted officers. I would not agree that "reports of crimes, including burglaries, thefts and assaults" I would not consider these as minor crimes, there is always the possibility of solving Burglary and assault crimes. As for theft it depends on the circumstances. There are minor thefts with no leads whatsoever that should and could be dealt with by just recording the crime. The mentality unfortunately can lead to bone idleness in some officers, not all but some of the idle few. Of course the answer is more officers, but if there were more would they be deployed to prevent crime and to provide pro active Policing which is were career criminals are caught. Never forget that for every crime there is a victim.
  24. Rename Fireman Sam - Political Correctness Gone Mad

    We had this in the police 25 years ago when the W of WPC was dropped. To be honest on this issue I was totally for it, but arriving at the decision from the viewpoint of we were all PCs. But changing the name of a children's character who was created in a time when there were no woman firefighters and the job title was fireman is political correctness gone mad. There is also something about acknowledging our culture and identity from that time, not denying it. Fine if Sam was created today he would be called Firefighter Sam, but he wasn't. Who asks even today if the post person been. No one, we say the post or postman been. Is the head of Royal Mail demanding a change for Postman Pat to become Post Person Pat, No. Clearly the head of LFB has too much time on her hands.
  25. Rename Fireman Sam - Political Correctness Gone Mad

    I can’t belive people have actually given this any thought. Pointless campaigning for irrelevant nonsense causes that offer nothing beyond stupidity. Fireman Sam is a man, why can’t he be called such.
  26. Rename Fireman Sam - Political Correctness Gone Mad

    Or they could tick a lot of boxes and call him/her Fireman Pam
  27. Rename Fireman Sam - Political Correctness Gone Mad

    I know what you mean. Soon there will be calls for that children's classic about a black horse to be renamed 'Very Dark Beauty', the boys and girls brigades to become the 'Non-gender assigned children's brigade, and the 1970s classic sitcom 'Misogynist about the house'.
  28. 'Fireman Sam' should be renamed 'Firefighter Sam', says Brigade chief London's Fire Commissioner says 'Fireman Sam' should be renamed 'Firefighter Sam'. Speaking to ITV News, Dany Cotton says referring to 'firemen' reinforces the stereotype that only men want to work in the fire service. – DANY COTTON, COMMISSIONER OF LONDON FIRE BRIGADE You literally couldn’t make this up anymore. Let’s pretend Fireman Sam isn’t a man, we could introduce a female firewoman, but why would we do that when we can pretend gender doesn’t exist. Its costing £1500 a day for firemen and women to guard a tower block, you would think the London Fire Brigade has more pressing concerns. (I’m sure the actual Fire men and women do)
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