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  1. 4 points
    If this is posted from a policing point of view, policing is not going to be for you. If it's from a member of public point of view - stay at home with a mug of cocoa and go to bed at 9pm each night
  2. 4 points
    I don’t welcome his alternative views. He’s doing a May and Khan and politicising stop search, one of the biggest reasons knife crime is where it is. People like him tweet nonsense like that for one reason - to try and win votes and recognition with communities that S&S affects. He is far more interested in keeping his seat than trying to tackle the knife crime issue. May and Khan both tried to use stop and search to win votes, a tactic that has severely backfired and is claiming lives. He deserves the backlash. I just wish those officers tweeting from official accounts were a bit firmer with him. Stop playing politics with peoples lives.
  3. 3 points
    He was taking drugs prior to joining the police reading that. You know right from wrong at 18, I'm sorry but this is on him... I joined the job at 18 and stayed well clear from drugs but then again I was raised by my mother who would have not only kicked me out of the house if I ever dared to bring drugs into the family home but also would have disowned me. I was raised in a single parent, working class household in Yorkshire, I didn't go to a nice grammar school in the Home Counties. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I suppose like alot of things I have an old fashioned mindset when it comes to drugs, always done me well though. Least he's passed it now, hopefully he will rebuild his life.
  4. 3 points
    TQs and Israeli bandages are now part of the standard first aid training in Lancs, though you have to be on Tac Ops to get them issued, which isn’t exactly ideal. Tac Ops officers get a course named Basic Trauma and Casualty Care, which is a very useful course. We’ve put it to good practice at a range of jobs including a car vs pedestrian RTC on the M65. With Ambo being as depleted as they are it’s good to have the kit and knowledge. TQs are really basic and the training required is minimal. That said, I wouldn’t go rushing out to buy one without being trained properly as you may have to justify its use one day. I’d rather be able to say that I was trained by the ATACC Group on these dates rather than providing a URL for a YouTube video.
  5. 3 points
    @Zulu 22 considering people are taking the time to debate with you and researching figures to enhance the debate, It would be polite to engage in the same way back, simply ignoring posts and refusing to debate constructively is not really moving the debate on. It would help if you would articulate your own points instead of relying on others to rationalise your argument for you.
  6. 3 points
    Did he act lawfully? I believe so. Did he act proportionately? At the time I believe so. Did he act proportionately within hindsight? Maybe not when you are receipt of the full facts and people are deciding what they would do in hindsight. But hindsight is an exact science. Every serving officer will know that quite often you have to make quick decisions on the basis of the information that is available to you at the time. Restraint is often ugly and sometimes you place hands or strike people in places you didn’t intend. I don’t think he should have apologised or been suspended.
  7. 3 points
    You can't keep a good man down
  8. 3 points
    Thought I'd give everyone an update. Long story short. Had my final interview in January. Start my PC training in July.
  9. 2 points
    And the ones who'd caused the documents to be in the public domain in the first place.
  10. 2 points
    Strange that those who object to his remarks are Politicians and Journalists, two of the most untrustworthy occupations known.
  11. 2 points
    On Twitter I have seen comments from Solicitors, Journalists etc who are qualified to comment who give a detailed breakdown of why Tommy was found guilty. The comments below these tweets have loads of responses from supporters of Tommy who refuse to listen or have not got the intellect to understand the ruling, their default response is loads of conspiracy theories. Thick dimwits
  12. 2 points
    Freeman On The Land. They're even more annoying than me.
  13. 2 points
    The elephant in the room is that many of those on the left, who demand the right to be heard, are also those trying to stifle free speech. Just look at the debate regarding those who are transgender calling those who are gender critical ‘transphobic’. There are genuine discussions to be had on both sides. For me it is right to question why police celebrity one community over another (Pride) when we are supposed to be politically natural. That doesn’t necessarily make you homophobic or a bigot and using those labels just shuts down open debate.
  14. 2 points
    I think you can argue either way the pros and cons of living with other cops vs not living with others.... You'll find quickly enough that a lot of your mates are cops so having some normal people around isn't a bad thing. But then again, they might not understand the coming and going in the wee small hours and why you have to get up at 4am or why you sometimes come home in a less than social mood having just dealt with a nasty job or why you just want to spend all of your day off in your bed. I think that depends on the type of person you are and how much you want to have policing dominate your life, because it can completely take over if you're not careful. The shift pattern will depend on what team you go on, so I'm afraid that's going to be a wait and see scenario.... A lot of new officers are going to emergency response, which is the 2 earlies, 2 lates, 2 nights, but some are now going to safer neighbourhood teams, safer transport teams and others, because response is getting saturated with new officers. The shift patterns of those teams are anybody's guess and vary between different Boroughs. The ATOC/RDG is also a smart card, like Oyster. So you'd use that to tap and get through the gates but if you aren't getting off at the 35 mile point, you'd need a ticket from the last stop it covers to the destination. So in essence, I guess that's two tickets. I believe RDG doesn't quite reach Reading, which is a sore point for many new officers. Just don't get caught out on this, as it's a job loser. So read the small print and the FAQs about what you can/can't do, so you do it properly. I believe the Blackstones Handbook for Policing Students book was the definitive book, unless it has changed - maybe someone can advice? It's definitely a good one to start with either way if you want to do some pre-reading, etc.
  15. 2 points
    What did the ambassador do that was wrong? Surely he was just doing his job? The leaker needs to be prosecuted.
  16. 2 points
    Wouldn’t be much quicker as the training they get is so substandard that they have to start from scratch anyway.
  17. 2 points
    I’ll be honest and say I find the use of the term “gammons” as inherently racist. How someone looks should not be the insult when their behaviour is more then enough to raise issue with.
  18. 2 points
    Hello mate Firstly congrats on getting in.... it's a tough process. I would suggest that at first you look at the section house.... there is no deposit, no long term contract and it's pretty flexible overall, so it makes moving out a whole lot easier when you do find a place... but you need to know where you are posted and at what station before you commit to somewhere (SE BCU for example is huge, and you could be posted in any number of stations). Also all the bills are included and the rent is taken straight out of your pay packet which is handy. However, don't get fooled into thinking it's cheap.... it's not expensive, but you can find a nice place for a similar price, so if I were you, once training is out of the way and you're actually working on BCU, I'd be looking to move out of the section house. As far as I know, Gillmor is the only one left as I believe Paddington has shut down. However, it's quite central and close to the tube, which will be very handy for the Northern Line to Hendon and then London Bridge for the Sidcup trains, so it's a good location. In terms of looking for somewhere to live, wait until your posting is confirmed. You want to live somewhere that's got good transport links to/from work and that is a reasonable travelling distance. so that when you finish late or have to get in for 4am (and you will, both) you can get fairly easily and inexpensively to/from work. You also don't want to live on the Borough you're policing... that is frowned upon and it's not great for your personal life either. Spare Room isn't a bad way of finding somewhere - just be careful about saying you're a copper before going round! - but once you start in the Met, you'll probably find other recruits in the same situation wanting to get a new place or there are always adverts at stations and on the intranet officer rooms with other officers. For the travel, every police officer gets a Met Oyster card giving free travel on buses, DLR, the tube and London Overground national rail trains (so not other brand trains). This you don't have to pay for. The separate ATOC or RDG scheme allows free travel on all other national rail services (such as Great Western Railways, Virgin Trains, South Eastern, South Western Railway, East Midlands Trains, LNER, etc) but this you have to opt into and pay a monthly subscription of about £70 per month. For new officers, this is called RDG and has a radius of about 35 miles from central London. For officers who joined the police prior to 2014, it's about 70 miles radius and that's called ATOC (though the two terms are often inter-changed). In terms of training, it's been a while since I was there, so I'm relying on what our new officers tell me. It appears that Hendon is now much more practically based now, and you get taught less and less theory and law stuff during foundation training. So it's more about Met policy, role play, officer safety training and how to actually get stuff done. This is because you're expected to have got that basic legal knowledge via the CKP qualification, which I assume you either have or will be doing as the first part of your training. So make sure you really do learn this stuff.... it wouldn't hurt to do some pre-reading / pre-learning from the Blackstones Student Officer handbook. However, as I say to all new recruits, this is just the start. You real, proper training and learning about how you do the job will come once you get on the streets. Good luck!
  19. 2 points
    As one of those Specials I do agree, and never said otherwise... but a reasonable majority would and thus would decimate the Special Constabulary per @Beaker's point. However I (as a Career Special) would support that decision in the best interests of the overall Police Services and the public...
  20. 2 points
    Corporate comms want us dancing with (insert variant) flags. Not dealing with the reality of the job. I follow a number of accounts that cover ‘things said at the custody desk’ and the like. I’ve even contributed. (My latest being DP: You fat, bald, ugly tw@t. Me: I ain’t fat!)
  21. 2 points
    Depending on your posting preference and where the demand for staff is will probably also influence when you’re started. The change their numbers for intakes until quite close up to the dates as some people’s circumstances also change and obviously there are hold ups to consider as well. I’m a rejoiner that was being pushed for June but due to awaiting further info from my consultant after the medical I’ve been given no indication at all. It sounds like they’ve been querying a lot of medicals. The day I had mine, nobody passed medical that day.
  22. 2 points
    S31 PACE says where a person has been arrested for an offence and is at a police station in consequence of that arrest, and it appears to a constable that, if he were released from that arrest, he would be liable to arrest for some other offence, he shall be arrested for that other offence. If his arrest for those other matters isn't necessary, then I'd say he's not liable for arrest and so you wouldn't be obliged to arrest him. If it is and he's wanted, then you would but who deals with him is still up for debate. I'm not aware and can't find anything in Code C which tells you someone being interviewed must be interviewed about every offence they're suspected of; it seems to me you'd be within your rights to deal with your job in isolation if you so chose. Imagine stopping someone for a traffic offence and not being able to interview them without mentioning all sorts of other things simply because you're told over the radio that they're not wanted but intelligence exists to link them to X, Y and Z crimes. Even if he's in custody, I can't find a rule preventing one or more officers conducting separate interviews into different offences the suspect is under arrest for. Of course if he's outstanding for however many other offences, then is a VA the most effective way to deal with your offence or realistically is it going to be necessary to arrest him to ensure he actually turns up at court and protect the public from further offending? Is dealing with one thing in isolation really in the best interests of justice, would it reflect well on the force?
  23. 2 points
    Had you supported the police those years ago instead of trying to tie hands behind their backs by way of you fighting stop and search, we might not be here now, Mr Khan. You might want to reflect on that as you pray. That and the fact the more and longer you pray, the less it is that will get done.
  24. 2 points
    Forgot to mention, you’ll need to be patient as their short term memory will be utterly shot from shift work 😂
  25. 2 points
    Violent or indecent behaviour isn't defined for the purposes of the Town Police Clauses Act, but as we've discussed elsewhere on here the work "indecent" didn't necessarily have the sexual connotations it does now back in 1847. If he's shouting aggressively then that to me would be sufficient to make an argument for his behaviour being violent or riotous. Alternatively, if there's a S35 authority in place give him a dispersal notice - the front counter of the police station is a public place. Alternatively you could of course just tell him to get out and if he refuses eject him as a trespasser - if he resisted then it would be a straightforward common assault rather than assault PC. @Chief Cheetah and @Beaker, a police station is not a dwelling, not even the cells - R v Francis 2006. All the six main public order offences absolutely do apply, though if nobody else was present it would have to be shown that the behaviour actually caused the front office clerk harassment, alarm and distress bearing in mind DPP v Orum 1988. If this is a regular problem then an ASB injunction or CPN would be the ideal option.
  26. 2 points
    I agree with Jeebs, perhaps that is why he said it twice. There are two types of wives (partners), those who were together before they became officers and some who got together when the officer was serving. One did not know what to expect, and one did. After a harassing day the last thing I wanted to do was to go home and talk about it. Home was my safe space. A space to relax and chill out. My wife would always know when I needed quiet. One day I came in got changed and sat down reading the Manchester Evening News. She did say anything interesting today and she got no reply. One of my daughters was 3 at the time. The following day she was reading the paper and said, "That is just terrible that 3 year old girl drowning in the bath while her mother answered a wrong number telephone call" All was silent and she suddenly realised and said, "You dealt with that, didn't you." She knew why I was so silent the day before. Home is the safe place, where you are not being treated like the bane of society, to be abused by one and all. He needs your support just as you need his.
  27. 2 points
    He won't, he's just a troll who thinks his age means he knows more. I've stopped debating with him because he'll never address a point, and any evidence put forward he doesn't agree with is either ignored, or dismissed as fake news. Saying we're uncaring when in fact he's displayed some selfish and bigoted views all over the forum is farcical.
  28. 2 points
    You assume wrongly, but should I be surprised at your left wing rhetoric, and completely unsympathetic diatribe. It is just reality that some will suffer, it is better for a few to gain than any single pensioner suffer, But that is humanitarian and caring so it would be beyond your comprehension. I do hope that you are not a serving officer as your attitude could do much harm to any community.
  29. 2 points
    I take issue with this. A Police officer is unlikely to grab someone by the neck, because the job has an irrational fear of associated complications, but if you actually are trained, it's a safe and effective way to control people. Besides, let's remember that he didn't grab her by the throat, he grabbed her by the back of her neck and frogmarched her out. Unless he has superhuman grip strength (which I doubt) there will be no lasting complications whatsoever.
  30. 2 points
    It is immaterial that he was a minister, he saw a need for something to be done and did it. If everyone stood by and did nothing then anarchy could reign. I would rather someone act that sit passively and submissive. A subtle difference to John Prescott who gave someone a right hook to the face when he was deputy Prime Minister.
  31. 2 points
    So are we saying then that those over 75 who have worked all their lives, likely have no mortgage any more (and if they do are likely receiving some form of assistance that would allow for a free licence), never go out socialising so therefore a TV is their only contact and entertainment, they can't actually afford 46p per day or £3.22 per week for a licence? Less than a pint of beer or glass of wine or maybe a cup of tea and a scone in a cafe? Personally, I'd like to see it remain for those already receiving it but it is now at a cut off so anybody now reaching 75 doesn't qualify, however, reach 85 and it becomes free again.
  32. 2 points
    To paraphrase you on a topic some time ago about young in service police officers not being able to afford housing, 'people need to learn to live within their means'. You showed scant care for those who earnt a low wage and had to travel long distances in those circs. Maybe the BBC could create a scheme so that you overpay every year. And once you've paid 50 years, you could get the rest of your life for free.
  33. 2 points
    I agree in sentiment but, it should never get to court. From what I have seen of the footage, she was a trespasser who could have been about to do anything. He was entitled to stop her, he frogmarched her out of the room and into the hands of stewards. His force did not appear unreasonable. People were already asking the party to leave and they would not until they were evicted.
  34. 2 points
    So in other words you have not got a source and just made the figures up
  35. 2 points
  36. 2 points
    I went, with my oppo to a call of a drunk male lying in the road by the bus station. We were told ambo were en route so we got there and watched him writhing from about ten feet. We were not going to get hands on before ambo arrived unless he stopped moving/breathing. At this point he was projectile vomiting while lying in the middle of the road. Then a dark stain appeared on the front of his jeans, but we weren't going to touch him as he was still wriggling and making noises. We saw blues in the distance and just as ambo pulled into the street there was a whooshing/spluttering sound and a strange aroma filled the air. We left our paramedic colleagues to deal with the after effects of a 'Grand Slam' and went back to the nick for a cuppa...
  37. 2 points
    Come to think of it what about those career criminals who were part of the Hatten Garden Heist do they also deserve a free licence? 2 of them are over 75 and have been released, if I am not mistaken 1 of those has never paid any tax all his life.
  38. 2 points
    Those are things that are arguably essential in the modern world. TV is a luxury. You won't die of the cold if you have no TV. You won't die of thirst if you have no TV. You can't get around easily these days without a car (something else to thank the government for). TV isn't essential to life. If roughly a third of the over 75s have to pay for it then so be it. Unless of course The Tories are going to fund it again. They took away funding after all, so lay the blame there rather than at the door of the BBC.
  39. 2 points
    I believe Glasgow is quite clean, quiet and never has any vomit on the pavements. If you want somewhere a bit more south you might try Blackpool.
  40. 1 point
    These are the best ones: http://www.policetrainingscotland.co.uk/police-practice-papers/ Depends on how busy they are and how much digging they need to do of your circumstances.
  41. 1 point
    @ParochialYokal the CCs have been quite honest on their predicament. But what the CC is saying and the reason for the judicial review seems to be more about the value or benefit of a policing degree, financially and practically or the consequences to policing by such extractions. i like the paraphrase in a the middle (Dr /exSgt) that says no evidence that a degree will improve policing.
  42. 1 point
    If you get posted West, I believe RDG goes to something like 2 stops before Reading. So it's just a case of buying an extension ticket, so it's not end of the world. I'm not sure how it works about getting on fast trains though that don't stop at the place your ticket is valid to/from. Yes, there is a possibility you won't be on emergency response or the patrol team as the counties sometimes call it. You might be sent to other less exciting teams, that have a slower pace of life. That's not always a bad thing, there are opportunities on those teams to be more pro-active and you'll get less of the crime scene, hospital guard sort of duties, so it's what you make of it and a bit part of it will be dependant upon your colleagues and your supervisors. It's a bit of a wait and see, and you probably won't find out until just a couple of weeks before you join them - so at the end of Hendon sort of time.
  43. 1 point
    Were they personally identifiable? I agree she has shown some bad judgement but certainly never deserved to lose her job.
  44. 1 point
    You mean like corporate comms do all the time?
  45. 1 point
    I have a disability as described within the Disability Discrimination Act which I wont go into too much detail here. It is something which you might not be able to actually notice about me whilst I'm at work for the most part. However it does have a significant impact on my life and is likely to lead to the point where I may not be able to do the job I love in the future. It does mean that at times I do need to have some adjustments made, albeit small, but that can mean having to be refered to occupational health over trivial matters and in order to tick unnecessary boxes. As someone who is disabled it is a hurdle and can be embarrassing as things are blown out of proportion and become more noticeable than they need to be, you don't need a song and a dance being made about everything when you want to just get on with the job. I can still do my role and meet the requirements to do so, so this shouldnt be a problem. One thing to consider is this. Would people make up a condition that would fall within the definitions of a the DDA in order to effect some sort of advantage? The answer is yes, some people would, but what would actually stop them from doing so now even if they do need a referral to occupational health? If that is the case, that it would be an inconvenience to go through the whole process then we are admitting that it does make it more difficult for disabled officers to get the support they need and are entitled for. Another point to make is this. Should someone make up a condition which is false then they would be acting in an entirely dishonest way which would fall short of the standards to be a police officer. We have had officers dismissed or facing misconduct for lying about whether or not they have submitted their health questionnaire for the fitness test, something which was incredibly stupid on their part when they could have just said they'd forgotten. Would officers put their careers in jeapody over what isn't a spur of the moment decision but a pre meditated lie? Especially if it's to gain some slight advantage. A periodic review or random check would be an adequate deterrent. People with disabilities aren't gaining any advantages by being given support they are levelling the playing field, not by making rediculous requests but by having small changes made which enable them to be as productive as any other member of staff.
  46. 1 point
    The extract of the media makes it fairly clear that the decision was made on this specific case and the comments involved. No info whether it was on job phones, job time etc. But, and it is a fundamental issue, with all things put on social media and such like - you never know who and when it will be read, the context in which it is viewed and putting anything on a chat group, forum, text etc etc etc that you might not otherwise say aloud in a public place is fraught with hazards and the potential of it doing you harm.
  47. 1 point
  48. 1 point
    Hi, I’ve had a start date of 27th August in the Metropolitan Police London. I’m in the process of looking where I can stay, does anyone want to share a house/flat. Or if anyone has any information on where to stay it would be great. Thank you.
  49. 1 point
    He did act appropriately she was not going to stop unless she was stopped. The fact that he was a Minister is completely immaterial. I have seen more comments in the various press supporting his actions than any leftie criticism.
  50. 1 point
    Which prime minister-in-waiting will make a difference by investing in policing? None of them. Not that it matters since the selection is all internal, but, they can and probably will make all sorts of popular promises of this that and the other but I bet none will ever be delivered. The Conservatives have a natural hate for any kind of public service, and they've been shafting the police for years. What's going to change now?
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