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  1. Unfortunately there is no deterant anymore and cases like the above really do prove that. Society has got to the point where people as young as 14 year are committing offences with firearms, police officers are having to face a marauding terrorist incident with nothing more than a friction lock baton made by the lowest bidder and we worry more about the IOPC investigation into things than the danger we are put in by our negligent government and management on a daily basis. I genuinely don’t believe the public have any idea how bad it is for us. Papers rarely publish pieces about us and how difficult it is becoming for individual officers, departments and forces to keep their heads above water. We are expected to stand between “good and evil” yes it’s rather cliché I realise that. But that’s the reality. Evil turns up backed by money, equipped with high performance vehicles, ambition and weaponry which we simply cannot match. They laugh at us and goad us into battles we simply cannot win. Gone are the days when specialist departments had the staff and vehicles to tackle crime and criminals. We are simply left in the dust, quite literally, as an Audi RS3, VW Golf R or any other high performance vehicle for that matter tears off into the night, never to be seen again. Your average divisional cop has no hope of even making a dent in the problem as they’re snowed under with spurious crime reports, follow ups for incidents that are clearly never going to go anywhere, constant immediate calls and supervision who want their pound of flesh. It really has become time for the Federation, that feeble old man in the corner, to stand up and say “enough is enough” Officers up and down the county, like those involved in this incident are failed on a daily basis, by the public, the government, the federation and worst of all, their own management. Some days you can do nothing more than sigh, hang your head with a mixture of shame and embarrassment and mutter “what’s the point anymore......”
  2. SimonT

    Brexit Discussion

    I think brexit for me is a bit like a religion. I just don't get it. I fundamentally don't understand what is / was so bad about the EU and being a member. A lot of nebulous words and speaches flying about that don't amount to anything concrete. Whereas the negative consequences seem to be huge and well documented. The government could easily stop it, but they seem hell bent on delivering brexit, regardless of the cost or their ability to deliver anything. I'm not sure I would object as much if we could deliver it, withdraw and get on with it. But at the moment it feels like we are slowly cutting our own leg off with a blunt saw because slightly more than 50% of some of the population wanted a different type of shoe.
  3. Reasonable Man

    Brexit Discussion

    LEAVER: I want an omelette. REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs. LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE] REMAINER: They’re in the cake. LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please. REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake. LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it. REMAINER: Icing is good. LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote. DAVID CAMERON ENTERS. DAVID CAMERON: OK. DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS. LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette? REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake. LEAVER: Well, get them out. EU: It’s our cake. JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now. REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out? LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette. REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought? LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now. THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it. REMAINER: How? THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake. REMAINER: Yeah, but… LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like. EU: It’s our cake. REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake. LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible. REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens. LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it. REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake? LEAVER: You lost, get over it. THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this. REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan? THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election. REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out? JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe. EU: It’s our cake. LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette. REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like. LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT. REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there. LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.
  4. They seem to disregard the fact that when a suspect decides he will swallow evidence then, that is his/her decision. Any person trying to swallow a foreign object is liable to choke. Of course there are people who would always want to blame someone and the easiest to blame the Police, or Paramedic. There is only one person responsible and to blame, the suspect.
  5. The factors preventing someone from attacking police. Our legendary martial prowess at knocking the stuffing out of them. - 5y opoc investigation and possible prison and loss of job if you get it wrong. The rule of law. The criminals fear of our robust criminal justice system. Generally crippled by underfunding, inefficiencies and complete lack of effectiveness. Their own moral compass - error not found.
  6. It’s an isolated incident.......what are you on about?! 🙄 In all seriousness, how can we protect the public if we can’t protect ourselves?
  7. Three extra seconds – the passage from R v Palmer about "weighing to a nicety" comes to mind...
  8. Chief Cheetah

    Brexit Discussion

    Whoever was in charge should have taken the referendum for what it was, advisory. In the best interests of Great Britain they should have kept us in the EU but looked to make changes and to make those changes from within. By pushing ahead they were never and are never going to please either side in all of this. It was the wrong decision to hold a referendum but once it was done the wrong decisions have been made at every juncture and now everyone is going to be unhappy. It's very sad when you look at it objectively really. We shot ourselves in the foot and to cure it we're now hacking off the whole leg with a rusty knife.
  9. I happened to be standing next to a noticeboard that I hadn't seen before [having recently changed stations]. It had the contact details for the local force Chaplain -[who I have always found to be good people and very supportive] Also on the board was a complex display made up of paper-clip chains, showing 'links' of supports. Represented were the Christian Police Assoc, BPA, LGBT group and Women in Policing. As a male, white, heterosexual, atheist where is my support group? Edited to add - In case anyone thinks I'm being 'anti' - I'm not- I really am not in the least bit interested in anyone's moral, religious or sexual preferences, nor their gender - I care about whether they are any good at their job, . These groups seem to put themselves forward as being 'special' or worthy of different treatment. If police officers and staff of a particular group or interest want to get together to do their thing, be it birdwatching, trainspotting or whatever then fine, crack on. If anyone wants to set up a police 'beer and curry group' I'll be the first to join, but I won't be expecting 'special' treatment because of it [except maybe to open a few windows]
  10. I think it’s lazy and unimaginative that senior police leaders want to change the law in order to enable positive discrimination. They need to look at why black people do not want to join the police service in the first place.
  11. Chief Cheetah

    Number plates in windows

    Good shout @Cs! That's not my car by the way. Mines red.
  12. This is worrying. For those not used to it, an arrest can be very intimidating and even though there can be some dubious outcomes, everyone should have a right to legal representation, even if they can't afford it. Otherwise it becomes something for the rich and powerful only and that can't be acceptable.
  13. That to me strikes me entirely as a counselling issue, the police had changed massively from 40 years ago, we are a function of the criminal justice system, our purpose is to prosecute criminals, protect persons and property... That is our core function. Just looking at it from a purely numb, old fashioned common law perspective just how can a deceased accused defend themelves or their reputation from an accusor? Are we there to make people feel 'better' about a past wrong from decades ago with zero prospect of an offender being brought to justice or are we there to prosecute criminals creating new victims of crimes now that we can actually do something about? I think we have allowed the job to become overly emotional, we need to be frank and honest with people. We aren't there as a make shift counselling service we have a vital function to fullfill in society and if that function is being compromised by these "nice but unnecessary" ideas it is high time we take stock of the situation.
  14. Absolutely sickening. I am sorry to be the one to bring this up in this thread but yet again, another argument for cops to be armed. With more and more single crewed patrols and less backup which unfortunately will continue to get worse over the next few years I can see more and more serious assaults on cops. Just to add, I know these cops weren’t single crewed on this occasion. Something has to give, we can’t keep going the way we have in the past.
  15. Why should limited public funds be used to investigate offences against multinational companies when those companies point blank refuse to essentially stop those offences by making heir customers pay up front? It’s the easiest crime in the world to prevent.
  16. Techie1

    Brexit Discussion

    Is there bacon in the omelette, that's the crucial question? Oh and did Cameron prepare the bacon...
  17. Discrimination is discrimination. Lets disband the BPA, thats the first step towards equality.
  18. I’m a bit torn after reading this. I don’t see any problem at all with them asking if he was the other person, so long as in context there is a reasonable reason. It’s clear that this guy looks very similar to this other guy they’re asking about based on what has happened. I wouldn’t be so quick to judge. However, I agree, if it is as reported then it is disgraceful behaviour. Although, I highly doubt it. This person has zero credibility and is a baiter himself. It’s more likely to be exaggerated or frankly parts of it made up. Without any video evidence or independent witnesses we will never know for certain.
  19. I remember when we were first issued BWV and there were officers stating that this particular premise was why they didn't want to wear it. There were of course some chortling from the trainers around this issue as they affirmed that it was there as an extra tool for us and would reduce the amount of conflict we'd face, that is definitely wasn't something to worry about or as a way of tripping us up.. and then we have this bright idea from the new complaints department. I am now beginning to wonder if those officers were right? Could you imagine if we had victims of crime coming to us with video footage of their attackers and then we turned around and asked "Oh. You've already watched the footage yourself? Sorry. We can't use that now and we won't be taking a statement from you. However.. it does show you swore at the offender whilst he was hitting you so we might consider public order offences against you. We'll let you know in due course. Yes. About 7 years time should be enough."
  20. What I don’t get is the immediate assumption that officers have done something wrong and/or want to behave inappropriately immediately following an incident.
  21. Growley

    Community Resolutions- Drugs (MET)

    It's just a way to write matters off.
  22. Posh

    Custody Waiting Time

    I nicked someone in Charing Cross 2 years ago, I'm still in the queue...
  23. PC Wannabe

    Brexit Discussion

    I've no doubt that the remain side also lied, they're all politicians at the end of the day. However the lies from the leave side were monumental and the consequences are shaping up to be catastrophic. Some people did vote leave for valid reasons, however a very large chunk voted leave based on reasons which were, and still are, completely flawed. Those are the people who simply didn't do their research and so couldn't of cast an educated vote.
  24. The Greater Good

    Royal Commission on Policing

    To be honest I wouldn't expect much from a petition on Charge.org! I am all in favour of a Royal Commission on Policing, although possibly for somewhat different reasons. First and foremost is what has occurred in South Yorkshire. SYP needs to be disbanded, it is a disgrace! First, there was Hillsborough, the Rotherham CSE scandal which SYP has been highly complicit in, then there is the Cliff Richard case. SYP careers from one disaster to another! I truly think we have in the England & wales reached a stage where we have a broken model of Policing, a Victorian Policing model which isn't fit for purpose. NCA needs to go the full hog and be a proper national police force. We need a new model of policing, they adopted a new model in Belguim after a wave of scandals. I think the Special Constabulary has had its day and it is time for a proper Police Reserve. There are so many things that can go into this, has direct entry senior police officers worked? PCSO's a failed experiment? Too many chiefs cut down the number. Have National, Regional and municipal police? No axe to grind with SYP just think they need to go and soon!
  25. It's left, or right, or centrist, or leave, or remain, or racist, or liberal elite. As long as they're upsetting everyone I figure they're probably doing what they should be.

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