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  1. 10 points
    I’m sure you’ll all be glad to know that Andy is doing well and is keeping positive. He has some further surgery in the next week that should help hugely. 👍
  2. 8 points
    This will probably annoy some people, but it has to be said! I was a late entrant to the Force, 29 when I joined in 1987. Part of the training at Shotley was in Tai Jitsu. Having partaken of Judo for a year or so while younger and subsequently Karate for a couple of years, i was well aware that Martial Arts are only as good for you for the amount of time and effort that you can put in. Unfortunately, Milling (three minutes fighting a colleague with boxing gloves on)had been taken out of the training regimen by then. A mistake I feel, as you need to know what it is like to be hit. It hurts, but you need to turn that aggression on yourself, otherwise you are lost. We were issued a truncheon and told the best place for it was our locker as 'God forbid you use it, as a report will have to be made to your Inspector. The truncheon inspected and a PNB entry made'. Many older Officers didn't take them out. The first time I had to use mine was when struggling with a prisoner who had hold of my Maglite. I couldn't get it back off him, but held onto his wrist to stop him hitting me with it. I got the truncheon out and threatened him several times that I would use it if he didn't let go. He didn't and I soon found out how useless that bit of pine was. (I had already put out a 10-9 Assistance call by this time and knew colleagues would be on their way so I just had to subdue him until they arrived.) Back to the Station and told the Inspector, who wasn't best pleased! The result of that was the next time I was at Headquarters Stores, I went to the truncheon bin and selected an old ebony truncheon figuring that if I had to use it again, I wanted it to work!. It didn't take long for me to take the view that one day, I was going to get a good hiding or worse. Without checking, I can't recall exactly when the game changed for the Police. We had Quik-Kuffs first (I became an Instructor in Defensive Skills) and then the best thing Defensive Skills with the Asp, Rigid Baton, Pressure Points (eventually CS Spray too) and instruction in how to deal effectively with suspects with regard to their threat level. Now we didn't have to wait for a suspect to hit us. If you could justify putting hands on or even striking first, you did. It was a turning point. Many suspects having experienced being struck, didn't want it again. I actually never used my CS Spray. Although it came lower on the scale than the baton, I felt that it was often too debilitating on people to use, especially if innocent bystanders or other Officers were caught by it. I watched Police Code Zero (only the first episode so far) with quite a bit of anger at the CPS for their lack of action and real dismay at the lack of action by the Officers. Those three situations warranted use of a baton. The Officer rolling on the floor with the motorcyclist obviously had no opportunity, but the other two incidents, certainly the one at Combe Gibbet the baton was a great unused asset. If it were me, I would have been looking for final target areas. That situation was one where either or both of the Officers could have died. Not only that, without knowing the full circumstances of why he was up there with his daughter, you had a child in potential danger who was abandoned. You might think that thinking about using final target areas is an over the top response, but I met someone once that snapped a set of Quik-Kuffs from behind his back and set upon a colleague. Three of us were striking him with our Asp's on his upper arms and legs and it seemed to take ages to subdue him and get him under control and in a car. I looked him up in the Collator's Office when I got back to the Station and was astounded at his record of violence. Another Officer had struck him over the head in the past to protect themselves, fracturing his skull. At some point in your job, it could be them or you. If training is at fault, it needs to be put right. While teaching Defensive Skills, we had dispensation to be offensive, as in the role plays, we had to wind people up to show they could be aggressive enough to deal with a situation and use their baton effectively to defend themselves and others. That's what the Red Man suits were for. I remember a great training experience with a DC who when using his baton against me armed with a knife, dropped it unintentionally. He rushed me and pushed me hard against a wall. We used to teach that there is a time when the talking has to stop and the suspect is coming in. We used a stock phrase at that point and any Officer hearing it knew what was happening next. You said to the suspect 'Is there anything that I can say or do that will make you change your mind? If they replied, it would be in the negative. However, at that point everyone within hearing knew it was hands on time and they came in. From an evidence point of view, it was a good phrase to have in your statement justifying your actions. Ladies were often harder to 'wind up' to be violent. However, once they were, they could often be harder to stop! I used to use my mouth (my wife says I still do, too much!) to try to talk people into the car without any rough stuff. But, there comes a time when you've got to put 'hands on'. If you can't envisage doing that for you, or for a colleague, the job's not for you. For anyone considering joining the Force or someone in it, the likelihood is you are going to be hurt and need to know what it feels like. You have got to think 'I'm going home tonight to my family'. If you don't have that attitude you'll be in the morgue. On several occasions I would have liked to have been the opposite of Superman and found a telephone box in which to quietly remove my uniform and disappear. But that's not what the public expect or pay you for. You will have 'toe to toe' punch ups. Don't forget, the Law doesn't define 'Reasonable Force'. You can defend yourself. Just because someone else hasn't used their baton doesn't mean you can't. Everyone's threat level is different. Everyone's ability is different. Everyone's pain threshold is different. Distance learning packages do not teach you how to be a Police Officer. I'm hoping the next episode doesn't get to me so much, but I won't hold my breath. Finally, as the Patrol Sergeant from that great 80's Police show Hill Street Blues used to say 'Let's be careful out there'.
  3. 7 points
    Didn't see it but I'm not overly surprised. Some really strange mindsets persist. I was very disappointed with a probationer recently (out of their puppy walk period) who let an abusive drunk threaten to smash their face in, swear and use foulest obscenities directly in their face and then allowed the offender to walk away laughing all infront of a packed station concourse because quote "it wasn't worth locking the person up." Just what is then? Worst of it all I was only at the otherside of the station so would have been able to go over to them if they had asked and felt uncomfortable dealing with it on their own. Mindsets have changed in the 11 years I've been a cop, when I joined my initial post the bobbies there were all 25+ years in and simply didn't take any rubbish off of people, electronic files have made once simple jobs (like D&Ds) more of a burden to sort out but they aren't THAT much of an issue. Drunk swearing at me, fine whatever. Drunk swearing and threatening to smash your face in whilst aggressively sticking their hands in your face and squaring up to an officer in uniform? They come in for me.
  4. 6 points
    Autism is pervasive, it affects most areas of development. But the autistic spectrum is wide from classic autism to high functioning aspergers. There are many people diagnosed with ADHD is childhood but later found to have aspergers or Psychopathy/Sociopathiy disorders. Given many Psychiatrists got it wrong, chances of police officers being able to spot some of the nuances is pretty unlikely. Whether an individual doesn't fully understand the semantic/pragmatic elements of language or society because of autism or they just don't care because they are devoid of feelings for anyone and have a narcissistic view of the world will be hard for any cop to determine. As I said it takes Psychiatrists years of assessment so what chance does a cop have in a single interaction event.
  5. 5 points
    This is the issue, officers not being strong enough to deliver a powerful strike or not wanting to. I was present when a colleague struck a guy on the leg, he went down writhing in agony. It was good powerful strike and worked well, certainly made the other assailants think twice about carrying on. I once delivered a blow to a guys head with my ASP, after he pulled a knife on me. Needless to say he went down like a sack of potatoes and was badly injured. Strangely he never made a complaint and I was never spoken to about about it. My mantra has always been if you need to use force and can justify it, it needs to be delivered forcefully, you may only get that one opportunity to disable the assailant.
  6. 5 points
    I would also add more generally that some of the posts within this topic sum up the issues with Policing in general. With making this post I want to make clear that I am not attacking any posters in any way nor am I trying to criticise any of the cops on the programmes, I am aware I am in a comfy chair as I post this. We have become a society frankly where we promote victims. We have many middle to senior managers in policing who I would question whether they have ever actually faced or dealt decisively with conflict or assaults etc. We have new recruits coming through the system who are groomed in to thinking we are an arm of social services. We have officers who spread fake myths and are taught that you can’t use force against violent suspects. We have an anti police government, an anti police media and the IOPC who routinely conduct witch hunts. Frankly the common theme I am seeing with some cops from personal experience and from these programmes is a lack of decisive and overwhelming force being used to counter life threatening attacks. We desperately need to be educating officers around use of force. We also find that it is celebrated to allow people to kick off and for officers to ignore this and be seen to rise above it somehow. No arrests and no force used, we then wonder why things escalate and officers get assaulted. I am lucky in a way that I am a big guy, I use this to my advantage and I leave people in no doubt who is in control (even if it is a slight bluff), but this just isn’t taught anymore. If I was being attacked by a suspect and had the risk of serious injury I would be expecting force to be used by colleagues to help me, as I would do in the circumstances. I say this as someone who has been involved in front line policing since 2008, someone who has been though a number of investigations around use or force and being assaulted a number of times. Its hard to put in to words but I do think that we as the police are our own worse enemies at times.
  7. 5 points
    He is a disgrace and is a danger to our nation. For those considering voting Labour at the next GE, this treacherous idiot may become our PM.
  8. 4 points
    Well, never let it be said I haven't banged on about this on here in recent months. Some time ago they were interviewing an ex-prisoner who stated that phone access in cells, albeit controlled, would ease prisoners' anxieties and tensions in being able to contact and speak to family (playing, of course, on the 'children' aspect). My argument then, as now, is it's a shame family and your children weren't in your thoughts when you committed an imprisonable offence. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
  9. 4 points
    Simpkins, you have been a prat. What have you been? A pratt sarge. Are you going to be a pratt again? No sarge. Investigation completed
  10. 4 points
    It's that "hiding behind" PPE I see in probationers at times. An unwillingness to get actual hands on and take control. I've seen cops do it with pocketbooks before aswell as handcuffs. Handcuffs don't leave your pouch until you have some form of decent control over the subject. Although my armchair is feeling extra comfy today. 😂
  11. 4 points
    A clip of the incident is now being circulated on Twitter by the Scottish Police Federation.
  12. 4 points
    Hm. As possibly well-meaning as this is, millions of war dead only get two minutes.
  13. 4 points
    To be honest, if adults cannot cross a road without assistance from the state, I think we need to consider if they are safe to be in the world. Sounds like Natural selection.
  14. 3 points
    This keeps running through my head after I read certain people's posts.
  15. 3 points
    Looks to me like 10 people are on the course. The gender, or any other mix, is completely irrelevant. But some people can never miss an opportunity to have a dig at ‘diversity’.
  16. 3 points
    Let’s put this into perspective: It’s Ramadan. Something the Sun failed to include in its story (if you can call it that). During Ramadan Muslims are expected to perform additional prayers, attend mosques, read certain chapters from the Quran etc. Attending a mosque in the evening is common place during Ramadan and the times quoted by the Sun would have been just over an hour post Iftar. I would suspect that Choudary would have been attending a nominated mosque and any curfews have probably been adjusted to factor in Ramadan. All this nonsense article does it throw fuel on the right wing, EDL types, fire.
  17. 3 points
    What has a training manual got to do with anything. Use of force ultimately is judged in relation to the law. Obviously you can’t just go around hitting people over the head, and rightly so. However if a person poses a risk to life (ie seriously injuring a colleague, strangling a colleague or inflicting serious injuries) and it is an honestly held belief that serious injury/death is going to occur then of course you can hit the person over the head with a baton. Just like you could hit them with a lamp/cricket bat/wine bottle etc etc. In fairness to some of the posts I don’t think it would be that much of a stretch to be striking that guy in the rural scenario over the head. He is obviously a strong guy, intoxicated and has both the intent and capability to cause serious injury or death. The officers were isolated, injured and had no prospect of backup. I find it odd for an ex AFO and someone who was an Inspector and Fed rep to not understand use of force legislation or application in a potentially life threatening situation.
  18. 3 points
    To be fair I've always tried to report someone rather than resorting to arresting them and conveying them to the cells some 25minutes drive away. This was the standard BTP practice even when I joined some 10 years ago due to it simply being easier to do for most offences, resourcing considerations (10 years ago you were often the only BTP cop on duty at your post, as soon as you were taken off the front line there would be no cover.) It also practically netted the best results from a suspect (people not under arrest tend to be more willing to talk and provide an account, atleast in my experience) it also gave you a two week breathing period to get your bits and pieces together before submitting a file to the Justice Unit. Now-a-days this personal policy of mine remains in place, I just use the interview room alot more what with the changes to audio recorded interviews (a change in law that frankly came out of the blue and was unnecessary.) I often thought to myself that when I first started my policing career local HO cops would lock people up for everything and anything, prisoners were just booked in "prompt and effective" and nothing was ever said. I don't know if cops just forgot they could report, it was never considered. Years ago a friend of mine who was a serving special and spent hours on duty a week in HO asked me what I did in BTP, when I told him about reporting people on summons he gave me a blank stare and said "Oh is that a BTP only thing?" 😂. I just think it was poorly utilised and explained in the past.
  19. 3 points
    I do agree that it is useful to have some knowledge surrounding conditions which may affect people's ability to effectively communicate and be understood. However it is very difficult to envision the extent of the effect of training when it covers such a broad spectrum. We often encounter people for very brief periods of time under circumstances which can make interacting with the most grounded and average of individuals challenging, factoring in mental health conditions and other issues create a very complicated model of assesment for which there can be very little time or in some situations relevance to the occurrence at hand. If someone is behaving in a way which presents significant harm or danger to themselves or others and it is necessary to act quickly to prevent then it's a luxury we cannot afford to go through a diagnostic list of possible factors, we just don't have the expertise to undertake. I have a suspicion that a lot of the material we are subject to these days arrives as a backside covering exercise rather than a legitimate attempt to reduce a problem, even if it can or cannot be reduced effectively. The problem is we can become saturated with conflicting training to cover so many different scenarios that it becomes a hindrance. However it is possible upon reflection and when all the information can be presented in a orderly fashion, after the affect, to say that 'this' is how it should have been approached and officers have all been trained in x, y or z. It is similar in some situations to trying micromanage overly complex and dynamic environments, of which the outside world and it's billions of different human beings couldn't be any more abstract. We need to be careful as to how much we take on board. Understanding different health conditions and gaining knowledge about them does help us to do our jobs effectively, this has to be in balance and proportional to what we do. For instance whilst there is a high necessity for us all to undertake officer safety training due to the threat we face we couldn't send all officers to study the intricacies of martial arts in Japan. Whilst the first aid kit is perhaps the second most used piece of equipment on my belt it would be near impossible to train us as doctors, psychologists or paramedics despite how useful this could be. Because a proportion of the population is deaf and although id personally really really really like to become fluent in BSL doesn't mean that we all should.
  20. 3 points
    If the CCTV does indeed indicate that to be the case, it is pretty poopy to try to fit up an innocent member of the public for Officer error. It isn’t even ‘noble corruption’ whereby they have tried to stitch up someone whom is probably guilty of an offence. It is this flippant and stupid disregard for honesty and integrity that bothers me most. It makes me wonder ‘what else have they (allegedly) been telling porkies about?”
  21. 3 points
    That's what I mean. At the moment there is no real difference with a cop who has 3 years service to someone who has 15 years or more. You'll often hear people say "They're the same rank" but experience, knowledge, training etc will be immensely different. I do think there needs to be some form of formal recognition, importantly however I don't think it should just be given on "time served" it should be position that recognises time served, specialisation, training etc. No real power or influence, just recognition as to an officers service and training.
  22. 3 points
    My understanding is that the drive was being held in a public area which in itself wasn't cordoned off. That being the case, why would the police need permission from anyone (other than perhaps from the council under given bye-laws etc) to attend a public event in a public area? The police's withdrawal in full view of the protesters and the eyes of the world have set a dangerous precedent and could be the start of no return.
  23. 3 points
    Perhaps we are not giving the officer enough credit. He simply may have been taking the opportunity of using a novel a piece of kit for surveillance work, the reality was he could see over a greater number of garden fences, hence naughty people running away.🤔
  24. 3 points
    I would highly recommend you don’t learn answers because the questions aren’t bog standard questions. You might prepare a good example for team working but they might ask name a time when a team failed and why it failed. You’re answer is then completely useless and you’ll panic. You're better understanding the competencies and think on your feet, because that’s exactly how police officers work on the street.
  25. 3 points
    The rural Code 0 was embarrassing to watch. Neither of the Officers seemed to have any idea how to effectively deal with conflict or aggression. To sit in a car and allow an offender to walk away is unacceptable. Maybe recruitment need to ensure the Officers they employ are suitably robust enough to carry out their duty.
  26. 3 points
  27. 3 points
    80% of the OST I teach is empty hand, because after all, you always have yourself, you won’t always have your kit.
  28. 3 points
    I think it's a change in mindset, I'm taser trained and have been for 4 years now and I've certainly been in situations where some cops would have at the least drawn it but I joined at an older post where the mindset very much was "Get control quickly" this has stuck with me. I've found that with probationers recently there has been a reluctance to get hands on with people which leads to either a suspect running off, escalating their abusive threatening behaviour or an outright assault against the officer as seen here... Ejections under the byelaws have seemingly sadly died a death at some posts which does acclimate newer officers into getting hands suspects and not being afraid in doing so. I work with a few newer officers who are ex-prison service and thankfully are used to getting hands on and taking control, to be fair these are some of the better probationers we've had recently as they aren't overly bothered with confrontation and can talk to people with confidence.
  29. 3 points
  30. 3 points
    I take it that either, you are not a Police Officer or a very inexperienced one. We had a system, as do many other forces, that prisoners could only be transported in a specially adapted Van. As many others have said, I detained person in the back of a car is a nightmare to control if they do not want to comply. If they are cuffed to the rear then that person will find it difficult to get out of the rear seat in any event. Just try it get into the back seat of your own car and try to get out without having your hands to assist you.
  31. 3 points
    My campaign to have every police officer issued a taser on and off duty and the lowering of the justification for its use to ‘any threatening behaviour, physical or verbal’ still continues. 😀
  32. 3 points
  33. 3 points
    That's really naughty posting a private message, it is a breach of trust. I will not now respond to any personal messages from @Stephen Maize
  34. 2 points
    Why do you feel the need to make a grossly exaggerated and sarcastic response, is it because deep down you lack in your own convictions on the matter? Did you stop to think that the significant majority of 11 year olds don't commit crime, and do not go on to commit crime? The system works in as much that plenty of young people have a level of decency and respect for others in that they understand the difference between right and wrong, and subsequently demonstrate the responsibility to make the right choices. All criminals start somewhere... the hypothetical 11 year old found committing crime for the first time and held to account for their actions cannot be the result of a flawed criminal justice system if they've never been part of it, can they?
  35. 2 points
    I cant resist making a comment on this one, i have no wish to upset anyone or get into an argument but i found some of the comments quite funny , strange even. If i can assume that everyone has the same initial paper sift /assessments of new specials [more or less] as our force does, followed up incidentally by further paper and practical tests of students on completion of the initial training at hq often just a week or two prior to swearing in, then the idea that the proportion of men versus women has somehow or other been contrived is preposterous, I’m sorry but there is no other word for it. Every thing is well documented on a points system from the word go and is open to scrutiny. In actual fact i cant say i was ever bothered in the slightest about how many of each we had, just more than happy to get some new ones every year and thats no easy task. A pity a lot left or joined the regulars up and down the country after a few years but thats life as they say. The women were just as good as the men if not better when it came to admin and talking to people from what i saw. Rich..
  36. 2 points
    Fact - all look under 25 (ageist?) Fact - one is tall 9 are not (Heightist?) Fact - only one has spectacles (disabilist?). Fact - no BME (racist?)
  37. 2 points
    It was in 'quotation marks' which is accepted media shorthand for 'allegedly' meaning they don't have or need any proof to run a sensationalist, attention-seeking headline
  38. 2 points
    Our local uni runs the policing and criminology degree as well. They've been placing students as SCs for a good few years. More recently they've decided they will align with BTP I believe. Means we are likely to have a bit more variance in recruitment. As an old fart they keep mistaking me for a S/INSP purely due to my age.
  39. 2 points
    I got 71% which I'm really pleased with and surprised by. The score break down showed the lowest score in the country as 18% which is good going because even if you guessed every answer you should get 1 in 4 correct and get 25%, but I suppose they may have walked out as soon as they were allowed to without completing all 150 questions.
  40. 2 points
    Were the discontinued stop check forms a national or local thing? Not being an officer myself, I'm not too clued up on the various forms etc, but an incident leading to the discontinuation of such a form sounds like something to go down in history. I'm not surprised that you were unhappy with the sergeant for undermining you like that. Self defence is a lawful right and as far as I'm aware, the law doesn't distinguish between adult/child so age is immaterial as to whether the force was lawful or not, so him being 15 is irrelevant from a legal perspective. You'd think the sergeant would of known better. And in any case you were unaware of his age anyway! There was a recent video circulating whereby a Lancashire officer slapped a 14 year old girl in the face to subdue her as she was violently struggling and resisting arrest. The video sparked outcry from some sections of society, but I believe the Lancs Chief Constable actually supported the officer as the force he used was lawful.
  41. 2 points
    Such a PolCol isn’t career ending. Yet they perhaps have made it so. I am not bringing the issue of ‘protected characteristics’ into the conversation prematurely, as I feel that such a mention is timely, but nonetheless the ‘victim’ was both a teenager and Asian. There is further context to be considered that area that the collision happened in has a large, working class Asian population. It could be hypothesised that the Officers felt that his demographics meant that they thought that they could get away with telling such ‘porkies’, if that is indeed the case of what happened. A comparison could be made as to whether Officers who ploughed into a £50k 4x4 in Kensington and Chelsea would have felt that they could have (allegedly) tried their luck by telling such ‘porkies’. For all intents and purposes, the ‘victim’ was the type of young person whom we should pat on the back for doing so well. He is seemingly a working class, Asian young man whom pursued a non-academic route to qualify as a MOT Tester. The fact that he channels his well earned income into paying for the prohibitive costs of running a car in London shows what a commitment he has to motor vehicles m- the very passion that has allowed him to establish a reputable career whilst still being a teenager. We should be taking our hats off to him. What he didn’t deserve (if this is indeed the case of what happened) was for two Police Officers to take one look at him and make a split second decision to fit him up for their own mistake.
  42. 2 points
    The Sexual Offences Act 2003 is an example of some really forward looking and innovative legislation. The people whom drafted it did a good job of predicting types of sexual offending in the digital age and the legislation, to my knowledge, remains fit for purpose. It is entirely right that we as a country take responsibility for pursuing the offending behaviour of our citizens if they commit sexual offences abroad. I’m glad that this sick individual has been imprisoned. I went scuba diving in the Philippines in January and transited through Manila, where I went for a long walk from the enclave in which my hotel was located. I was shocked and sickened at the street children and women that I saw living on the streets. I saw naked children being chased away from shop fronts / outside of hotels by security guards whom were trying to hit them. It was difficult to witness. These poor children were ‘sub-human’ to the local population but I felt I couldn’t even slip them a dollar bill because I would look like a nonce. Not only that, the heavy polluted air, the heat and the dirt made me feel an animalistic urge to escape this environment (the environment these children call home) expediently and at all costs. In my mind, it is incomprehensible how someone would want to go to such a country to harm / abuse people, rather than try to help them. If I am honest, I think that the sentence is far too lenient. What he planned to do should warrant a sentence that is double what he got. Someone who ‘date rapes’ in an ambiguous situation gets 5 years- this sick individual is a predatory paedophile whom has a significant risk of reoffending. I wish that he had actually been extradited back to South East Asia and got banged up in one of their hell whole jails when he faced the daily wrath of the local prisoners.
  43. 2 points
    Absolutely. However what annoys me is that journalists who specialise in this area only report the negatives within policing which tarnish us all. I follow quite a few police twitter accounts and there is so many positive stories around that do not get any attention. There was one such story yesterday whereby a cop saved a life. Why don’t the journalist pick this up and splash is all over the front of the newspapers? Arrgh.
  44. 2 points
    Should've done it at a Pride event, with rainbow painted face, he would have got a commendation.
  45. 2 points
    They voted for Corbyn at the last election, a man who will apologise to terrorists and is treasonous, so they shouldn't be surprised he will sell them down the river, he is quite prepared to sell the whole country, never mind his supporters. He is a man of principle, he literally has only one! He is a principled Marxist, which means he will do anything for power.
  46. 2 points
    There are several stated cases that define the meaning of 'driving' in the context of the law. I would say in this instance, it is still driving.
  47. 2 points
    How many times has this happened? I know many forces which in some cases trippled the number of specials recruited over a few years and were left with the same numbers (or even fewer) at the end of the process. If they are going to do something different it isn't about a tiny selection of employers giving time off for police duties, it's about having the infrastructure and incentives within the police to keep people on board. We lost hundreds of specials here about a decade ago when a large swathe with 10-20 years experience left on mass, as some felt condescended to, when terms were changed and the types of duties reorganized. Whilst it is important to ensure officers are in the right areas, it is important to actually have the officers in the first place!
  48. 2 points
    Effectively this is no different to the old jointly-owned property exam question - he has destroyed or damaged property belonging to another without lawful excuse, so the offence is complete; that he has a proprietary right to the property as a tenant does not mean he can damage it regardless of the rights of the other tenant(s) and the owner. Depending on his intention when throwing the spade he might also be using violence to secure entry contrary to S6 CLA 1977, although that isn't a recordable crime. In practice some tolerance is used about damage caused by tenants, but they do not have carte blanche to wreck a house and that they're a tenant does not automatically make damage caused deliberately or recklessly a civil matter.
  49. 2 points
    NO Because the danger isn’t imminent, and the arming is planned, which is not instant arming. No matter how many times you ask it, and how many ways, arming is only permitted when faced with imminent danger, not before, not after and not in the belief it’s ok.
  50. 2 points
    I'm sure that you are aware already but are you absolutely certain that civil nuclear constabulary is for you? I only ask as they rarely do any kind of work like a standard force and a lot of the time you were be a glorified security with a gun protecting various nuclear sites. Of course you can specialise once you've completed your two year probationary period if that's what you are looking to do. You won't be able to transfer your AFO skills to home office forces including BTP. Just don't want to see you jump into a role thinking it's more than it's not.

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