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  1. 5 points
    We launched this forum exactly 5 years ago, the time has flown by and the forum has grown from strength to strength! Without our members we of course would not be as successful as we are, so from all the mods, admins and management a special thank you to all of our wonderful members 🤗☺️. Hopefully the next 5 years will take the forum to even higher heights 👍
  2. 5 points
    IN MY OPINION A GE is so the wrong way to go to resolve Brexit. Bohnson shut Parliament down to concentrate on the things he said were more important than Brexit, but now many think a GE, which is about electing a Government to deliver on the economy, health, security, education, defence, law and order, infrastructure etc etc should be run over the single issue of Brexit. IN MY OPINION - the only way forward is for a Peoples’ Vote. Three options on the ballot paper - 1. Clean Break Brexit; 2. Bohnson’s deal Brexit; 3. Revoke Article 50 and we remain. First and second options voted for. If one option gets over 50% of the votes on the first choices then that’s what we do. If none get over 50% the second votes for the least popular option get counted and that will give the winner. With a GE we have to vote for the worst Prime Minister in history (in my opinion) or the worst opposition in history. A choice between a man who won’t make up his mind on anything or another whose CV would make him unemployable in any normal job - twice sacked for lying, criticised for publishing bigoted, racist, and homophobic comments; a work place bully; had extra marital affairs; does not know how many children he has fathered; and a self confessed illegal drug user.
  3. 4 points
  4. 3 points
    Please, the EU have done everything that they could do to make Brexit as difficult as possible. We should have left in March but they were not prepared to give any meaningful concessions. The other conspirator in the process has been our own Parliament and the spineless M.P.'s who have ignored the wishes of the people. The worst offenders are the Labour M.P.'s from constituencies who voted overwhelmingly to Leave, many in the 60+%.
  5. 3 points
    What I can't fathom and never have, is, putting aside the result of the referendum and its miryiad of issues, why people are so hell bent on leaving. Apart from being devestating to our security, economy, reducing our standing in the world and portraying us as a total joke, even breaking up the union, I don't see what's out there. If the referendum was advisory, could the government not complete an honest assessment of the outcome, explain the result and say, we have looked at it, it would be awful, we're not going to do it.
  6. 3 points
    I'm sure it will go full circle in a couple of years. The next scandal will be that police only detect 0.02% of all crime because of the all the recorded fairytale nonsense that could never have amounted to a crime in law. We'll feel the outrage and wrath of the Daily Mail when they publish a story where 11 year old Johnny has been recorded as a suspect in a 'violent crime' after throwing a lemon sherbet at Ben in the school playground. Thousands of people will be taking legal action against police for recording them as suspects against crimes which they never even knew about, perhaps even reported by someone they've never even met which has resulted in them failing CRB checks etc. Then common sense will kick in and the pendulum will swing all the way to the other side again.
  7. 3 points
    I got to 'Capita' and the reason became clear.
  8. 3 points
  9. 3 points
    My old force stopped issuing spears a long time ago [emoji6] Guess if you have more than three to detain you cuff two and impale the rest? [emoji38]
  10. 3 points
    I shall be at my local remembrance service to remember the comrades I served beside in Iraq and Afghanistan in particular, who bravely sacrificed their lives for us. We shall never forget you.
  11. 2 points
    The word "Shame" is something that these people to not know. They are devoid of any civic responsibility.
  12. 2 points
    Complete and utter perverse view of what has actually happened. The reason why we have not left the EU as of yet is because the 52% of leave voters cannot decide what type of Brexit they want, prime example being Boris’s deal, Brexiteers in the DUP and The Brexit party label it as the “ second worst deal in history” and have done everything to block it. I am getting sick of remainers being blamed for this Brexit mess when it is Brexiteers themselves who are disunited and at each other’s throats.
  13. 2 points
    What an awful tragedy that shows how people smuggling is a crime that is pure evil. I am not entirely convinced that the driver or haulage company are connected to the crime. He picked up the cargo from the port and just 35 minutes later the discovery was made. It is possible that he picked the cargo up within a specific time slot and then found a location nearby to rest, whereby he happened upon the carnage. An industrial estate in the early hours is perfect for a HGV driver to rest, whom can then be on their way at 5am without getting in anybody’s way.! This is an evil crime and whoever is connected with this needs to be locked up for 30 years. Whilst that should apply to the driver if he is connected, I question the wisdom of releasing identifying information to the media at such an early stage. He was a 25 year old HGV driver from Northern Ireland (not many HGV drivers that age). Within a short space of time, he has been named in the media and it turns out that he comes from a part of the world that does tend to have more vigilante attacks that everywhere else. If the HGV driver is an innocent party and he has witnessed a scene of mass killing that would traumatise even the most hardened detective of forensic examiner, then I have every sympathy for him. Essex Police should have been able to form an opinion between the time of the incident and their first briefing to press at the break of day light hours as to whether the driver had the potential to be an innocent party. If they formed a healthy suspicion that he potentially was, then they shouldn’t have released so much information about him to the media. Essex Police hardly has a good track record when it comes to their detective capability, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they were overwhelmed by the magnitude of the crime and made rash decisions when it came to over briefing the media. It doesn’t rest comfortably with me that the driver was named in the media so quickly. I also find it abhorrent that some sections of the media are launching drones and trying to take pictures of the HGV. What are they hoping for? A picture where they capture something and then have to pixelate stuff out? I am sure that most of us have an imagination but we don’t want to deploy it in that way.
  14. 2 points
    An article in The Times reports three quarters of Tory leave voters in England think that Brexit is worth losing Scotland and Northern Ireland over. How about a United Kingdom of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the EU with an independent Little England?
  15. 1 point
    John Major one of the worst PMs? We all know it will just be ‘your opinion’, and you are entitled to that, but any reason to say this? Any reason at all? Or was it a typo and you meant best?
  16. 1 point
    https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-referendum-not-largest-democratic-exercise/
  17. 1 point
    I’m back into confused mode. I thought the sole objective of the referendum was to gain a yes or no about being a member of the EU. Simple question. Simple answer leave or stay. My limited political knowledge always led me to believe the SOLE objective of the political opposition was to seek a GE with the aim to become the government. Simple purpose. Simple solution - have a GE. and yet, nothing is as simple as it first seems. If labour declines to go for a GE and places lots of dubious requirements first, how on earth will we get solutions to the multi-layers of the stay/ remain issue?
  18. 1 point
    It shouldn't be necessary. We had a 'people's vote' in 2016 and if those - who still don't accept the result of the result of biggest democratic turnout the UK has ever seen - had worked with the Government despite their own dislike, none of this delay and uncertainty would have ever occurred. But no, immediately the result was announced sticks have been shoved into spokes which has disrupted progress ever since. As I've said, and predicted more than once in this thread and in real life, it's looking increasingly like 'vote again and again' until the 'correct' result is given when it will then be 'a triumph for democracy'.
  19. 1 point
    Disgusting comments on social media saying how this is a good thing. What’s wrong with people?
  20. 1 point
    How about we build a wall around the expanded greater London area (including the footprint of the wider south east that is progressive), whereby the federated Kingdom of Londinium, Scotland and Northern Ireland unite and remain in the EU, whilst everyone else can either join us (by getting on their bike) or otherwise fudge off and fester in their own insignificance? England has behaved appallingly at certain points in history towards the Irish and Scots, whereby it is behind shocking that some many little minded individuals want to caste them aside.
  21. 1 point
    I took it last March and used Police Pass books and online MCQ as well as their tutorials. I followed their 12 week revision plan and worked very hard on revising and ended up with 71% on exam day. I was really surprised with my result, not because I didn't work hard, but because it was almost impossible to tell how I had done during the exam as there were no easy questions. I think one of the most notorious ones which garnered loads of attention on FB was the one about Bill lending Tom his rocket launcher on Wednesday, with Tom then shooting it at a neighbour's house on Friday which dislodged a brick hitting an inhabitant causing GBH injuries. I'm sure the question was about the chain of causality but you wouldn't guess that from the scenario. One advantage of using Blackstones or Paul Connor's study material is that he writes some of the exam questions and therefore you get used to the way that his questions are written whereas the Police Pass ones sound different even though they are very good and taxing. Give yourself plenty of time for revision whichever books you use and build extra time into your timetable as I'm sure work will affect your timetable.
  22. 1 point
    Not necessarily, depends on what the job is and who the employer is. Next.
  23. 1 point
    So the Government have lost the programme motion vote. Which means Brexit will be delayed again and we will definitely not leave on October 31st, deal or no deal.
  24. 1 point
    So come on than Zulu now you have read the WA in full could you enlighten us with your wisdom by explaining if Boris’s deal is better than May’s deal? If you think it is better can you explain why?
  25. 1 point
    Irony is you never deal in evidence all your posts in this thread are a straight mirror image from Guido Fawkes. Boris’s racist, sexist, homophobic comments are common knowledge and are widely reported on the internet. The fact you claim to be ignorant of this speaks volumes about you. As ever if you have concerns about the legality of posts use the report function.
  26. 1 point
    Whoever told you that is wrong. S163 is the power to stop vehicles, S164 & 165 the powers to require documents and details.
  27. 1 point
    Boris is a racist, homophobic, sexist idiot. The fact you never bring that up or even condemn Boris suggests you don’t care about any of that you just want Boris to go for a no deal. The bullying accusations are just a deflection on your part because you cannot accept your beloved no deal is going down the pan.
  28. 1 point
    Bercow is impartial, just because the result did not go your way does not mean he is not impartial. The rule is you cannot bring the same motion again, which the Government did.
  29. 1 point
    You need to know the history of crime recording in England and Wales to understand why crime is recorded as it is. Briefly in the late ‘90s/early noughties it was increasingly recognised that not only were police officers not recording all crimes that were reported to them but the different forces were applying different rules for crime recording meaning meaningful comparisons couldn’t be made. This led to a rewrite of the Home Office Counting Rules for Recorded Crime (HOCR) to include the National Crime Recording Standard (NCRS). This is where the provincial of you believe the victim unless there is credible evidence to the contrary comes from. Over 15 years on and there are still cops who don’t grasp this and think that there should be evidence of a crime before they have to record it. For a few years police recorded crime (PRC) increased and annual inspections by the Audit Commission showed improvement and better consistencies in crime recording. Then they stopped inspecting and the gap between PRC and the Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW) widened. Several enquiries and inspections and in 2012 HMIC inspected all forces for a nationwide view and found that only 4 out 5 crimes that should be recorded were recorded. Since then every force has been subject to a thorough inspection and most found to be lacking. This has resulted in the crime recording decisions being taken away from officers to varying degrees across most forces. The proof over time is that police officers are not good at applying the rules for crime recording. Now although that upsets some/many it is irrefutably the case. That is not to say that in some cases the pendulum hasn’t swung the other way and there is some recording of crime when there shouldn’t be but that is a minor issue compared to tens of thousands of crimes not getting ‘on the books’.
  30. 1 point
    Food and drink as well as a phone.
  31. 1 point
    I just use my patrol bag, but if I know I'm going to be sat in a car ourltside an address for the full shift I add a flask of coffee, a USB battery and fill my phone with TV series.
  32. 1 point
    Only sprays with noxious substances, you could argue that a self defence marker spray isn’t restricted
  33. 1 point
    With the greatest respect that’s a bit of a silly post and I think you know that. I’m not sure what you are expecting from members on here, I’m a little confused by someone involved in the Police would ask this on an open forum and what answer you are expecting. As has been mentioned earlier you firstly need to consult the substance misuse policies. I would add that if you can’t find a definitive answer in there then speak with occupational health within your force. Members on this forum are unlikely to be in a position to give you official advice. In more general terms we are talking about something that is not approved for human consumption, guess what the advice is, don’t consume it.
  34. 1 point
    So it seems that the opposition parties are prepared to let the EU decide on what should happen through our Parliament. Very underhanded and unconstitutional. The EU do not want us to leave, they have done everything in their power to stop that because they like our financial contribution. We talk of democracy but I do not believe that either the Mastrict Treaty, or Lisbon treaty were ever put before Parliament. There could be another way, that someone tables a motion of "No Confidence". Boris persuades 42 Tory party M.P.'s to support that motion which, I understand, would bring about a General Election. I think that either way the Remainers would find themselves at the Dirty end of a stick.
  35. 1 point
    Very bizarre thread. I've never come across a TV crew during my working day, not that I've felt the need to go and speak to anyway. Come to think of it, i did see a few crews filming outside the Town Hall in the city centre last week, but i never felt the need to go and speak to them and ask me what they were doing. Don't think I've ever heard a job go out over the radio for someone to attend a 'suspicious tv crew' or similar. I just can't even think of a scenario where I'd need to even interact with a cameraman, unless perhaps they were trying to get into or through a cordon, and then I'd have a polite word and would expect them to react professionally. There only situation/place where i could see a tv crew filming being a bit of an issue might be near a military or nuclear site, but that would probably result in MOD PLOD or CNC attending rather than a local force. I used to be in the Army and there was quite often a TV crew filming outside the gates for one reason or another. I presumed that if they were going to do that they'd normally nip into the guardroom and let them know what they were up to. I would also assume that they'd have some sort of official press association ID, but maybe not.
  36. 1 point
    Having flicked through from the original question to the end, it seems it comes down to a fundamental philosophy or working regime -remove officers from the street to conduct what can be equally skilled case file building or create a bit of a gap to encourage and allow both regimes to work as best they can with limited resources. The provision being that if the response / street officer is to hand a file over, that it is the the highest standards, rather than a lacklustre chuck it over and let someone else sort out the basics. I'm not sure that all officers knowing the finest details and finesse of case file building and management is the best use of the resources.
  37. 1 point
    I've always built and prepared my own case files for court, sadly we no longer produce our own coroners files at my post as that role has now been given to dedicated officer but it is something I miss doing (as strange as that sounds. ) The casework was very interesting and even rewarding as you were doing your best for a family seeking some form of closure for them, at one point I ended up dealing with the vast majority of fatality files at my post over the course of three years. It was massive amounts of work, especially alongside my criminal investigations. I do think cops need to build and present their own case files to court, it's the only way you'll really learn just how the justice system. One of the biggest issues I see at the moment with new recruits is the failure to pick up on blatant ID issues with cases, statements which offer poor or confusing evidence or interviews which do very little probing... I'm not some supercop on interview (I disliked interviewing when I first joined) but when I've heard tapes where probationers have asked at best the bare minimum something is wrong... Times change though, when I first started a simple report file would take 40minutes to complete, now with NICHE you're talking best part of a shift at best.
  38. 1 point
    The reality for response officers is that we don't have the time to sit down and concentrate on files and we don't know how to do it because we don't do enough. Sergeants are even worse and don't do effective QA. Guilty anticipated pleas are obviously easy enough but not guilty anticipated/upgrades and crown end up going back and forth between the officer, the file management team and the cps for weeks. Better have competent file builders who will get it right first time. Having spoken to cps about it, that what they would like.
  39. 1 point
    I seriously don’t get this mentality. I’m still yet to see an amazing cop who couldn’t pass a degree. The ones lauded as being brilliant but not very academic are always one trick ponies and rarely well rounded cops. A degree isn’t rocket science and the skills required to pass a degree are the ones needed to be a good cop. 1) evaluation evidence 2) arguing one side whilst considering and countering the other 3) structuring and presenting evidence As for the ‘life skills’ argument 18 y/o have been recruited for decades so what’s the difference now? Having a degree doesn’t prevent you from having life skills, being a great communicator, handy in a fight, have common sense or be courageous. It’s just recognition of the skills and knowledge you have.
  40. 1 point
    I guess that explains the constant mention of spear in the OST these days
  41. 1 point
    I’m going to go against EVERYTHING that’s been said here. If it’s making you feel that way now, how will you cope with 30+ years of it? MH issues are rife in policing and many say they should’ve got out before the pay and pension kept them locked into a job they now despise. If it’s not for you get out while you MH is still intact because it’s not going to get much better for years possibly even decades!
  42. 1 point
    I think Christian values are a positive influence overall, but most certainly dogma isn't. Where Christians promote their beliefs based on a single reference in one book of the bible, for example homosexuality in Deuteronomy, then this is outdated, discriminatory and just plain wrong. There is none of this in the teaching of Christ, indeed his teachings are often opposite to views expressed elsewhere in the Old Testament Bible. Christ extolled a free, fair and caring society. Where often Christianity loses its way is where members of some sects use it to argue their narrow prejudiced and sometimes hateful views.
  43. 1 point
    I shall remember my Uncles: Lance Bombardier in the Royal Artillery, killed in France in 1944; Corporal in the infantry, part of XXX Corps, killed at the battle of Arnhem Sept 1944. Also my father Royal Engineer in the 8th Army, a Desert Rat, who fought at Tobruk and El Alamein and because of losses to his Unit in North Africa reformed as part of X Corps and was one of the first ashore at Salerno. He fought through Italy where he was wounded at Monte Cassino. Left the Army in 1946.
  44. 1 point
    Inbtsiyp, An interesting topic of discussion and one that I have pondered about previously. Since the inception of my police career I have always conducted a contemporaneous note interview at the roadside when issuing a TOR. This was the way that I was taught to do it and I would do it for the majority, if not all, of the offences that I dealt with. I have now moved in to a roads policing role and, since working with seasoned and substantially experienced officers, I have issued a significant amount of TORs but not conducted a single roadside interview. I have been enlightened to an alternative approach. In essence, there is no requirement to conduct a contemporaneous interview because the onus is on the driver to prove their innocence or show that they have a defence etc. Regardless of what they say at the roadside, you are still going to issue the TOR and they will have to challenge the ticket, whether that be in or out of court. An example of this is that you stop a motorist for not wearing their seatbelt. As you have already stated, there are statutory defences to not wearing a seatbelt (medical exemption, performing a reversing manoeuvre etc etc). At the roadside the motorist states that they have a medical exemption certificate, however they cannot readily produce it to you. You would still issue them a TOR and they would have to produce the evidence of their defence at a later date. Conducting a roadside interview with them would be of little benefit, regardless of what they say. I understand the point about covering points to prove and negating their defences, however this can be done via your evidence. It is the way that I have always done it. It’s not easy to get the example across over a forum but I hope it makes a modicum of sense. To say the least I was very surprised that this was the way of doing this considering how I had been taught. Essentially I suppose that you don’t need to reply on a roadside interview for these types of offences as they are quite often black and white.
  45. 1 point
    In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. John McCrae 1915 I know I had great-grandparents who were in WW1, though I am not clear in what capacity or their fate. I do know one of my uncles has a beautiful large scroll/parchment of one of my forebears who had served at the front. Both my grandfathers were medically unfit for WW2 but both served long and hard in day-jobs and on the Home Front at other times.
  46. 1 point
    My Great-Grandfather. Killed on the Somme on the 1st of July 1916. He has no known grave and is recorded on the Thiepval Memoral along with thousands of others. Particularly poignantly his son (my grandfather) was born 10 days earlier. I have always wondered if he knew that he had a son: the postal system on the Western Front was pretty good so it is feasible... but I guess we'll never know.
  47. 1 point
    For the Fallen Robert Laurence Binyon, by artist William Strang. Poem by Robert Laurence Binyon (1869-1943), published in The Times newspaper on 21stSeptember 1914. With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children, England mourns for her dead across the sea. Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit, Fallen in the cause of the free. Solemn the drums thrill: Death august and royal Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres. There is music in the midst of desolation And a glory that shines upon our tears. They went with songs to the battle, they were young, Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow. They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted, They fell with their faces to the foe. They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. They mingle not with their laughing comrades again; They sit no more at familiar tables of home; They have no lot in our labour of the day-time; They sleep beyond England's foam. But where our desires are and our hopes profound, Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight, To the innermost heart of their own land they are known As the stars are known to the Night; As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust, Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain, As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness, To the end, to the end, they remain.
  48. 0 points
    So what comes first, Bohnson in the ditch, Francois’s explosion or Katie Hopkins naked in the cafe? And will they all happen on Friday?
  49. 0 points
    If I was given a suspended sentence for carrying a weapon in self defence and a judge gives me a suspended sentence. A criminal record will result. Does getting a criminal record mean I’m a bad person?
  50. 0 points
    The Programme motion vote is the 1 to watch today, at the moment it will look like the Government will lose because the DUP and others will vote against. If the Government do lose this vote it will be a major issue and almost impossible to leave by October 31st.
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