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  1. No. Atleast not in my locality (London has a host of its own issues.) I do alot of intervention and joint tasking work with the local authority over homelessness in my role - myself and a PCSO colleague nominated ourselves as the local contacts between my force and our local authority services. The sad fact is the vast majority of beggars within my city aren't homeless and those that are refuse to either accept accommodation or lead such destructive lifestyles they find themselves repeatedly evicted from property after causing damage to their homes or simply being a menace to everyone else around them. Most of the nominal people I deal with have homes provided to them by the council, most are in receipt of state benefit and all have access free of charge to drug workers and alcohol services. One man has been given three homes and placed in rehab numerous times in the three years that I have known him, he still sits out close to the station begging and likely as I write this will still be sat there now (just off rail property mind as he knows he is safe so long as he doesn't beg on the railway.) The sad truth of the matter and this is something many people will struggle to accept is that this lifestyle has become a way of life for many of the beggars/vagrants on the street. Intervention, rehabilitation and resources mean very little until the person you're trying to help wants to actually change their lives for the better, many are stuck in a vicious cycle of drug/alcohol abuse supplemented by begging and low level criminality. The local county police generally isn't conducting enforcement and hasn't done so in years, in BTP we stopped reporting beggars around 4 years ago locally (we are now having to change this stance) but what has the result been? Massive increase in begging, vagrancy and the associated drug and alcohol related offences. These low level crimes and offences matter massively and in my opinion contribute to the rising crime we are seeing nationally across the country. I think we have to realise that along with a governmental responsibility people committing these crimes and offences have a personal responsibility not only to themselves but society as a whole aswell, something we are very quick to dismiss when talking about this very emotive issue.
  2. Prior to joining the police 10 years ago I had worked in various places in the private sector including large corporations at lower management where everything was driven towards efficiency. Everything (processes, tools, policies, organisation, people etc) was reviewed to achieve efficiency. When I joined I felt that the police was at least 20 years behind. Many things just don't work but we just shrug our shoulders and carry on doing it for years because "that's how we've always done it". No-one can see the need for change and no-one is willing to change. Fast forward 10 years having met many "bosses" at various levels still feel that we are 20 years behind. I keep an open mind but I can see that I do things that are clearly pointless. They don't benefit victims, the community of even the offenders. They're just there to satisfy our own processes without any purpose. When we finally take 1 step forward and improve something then we take 2 steps back somewhere else We would benefit from having the right people from the private sector who could look at what we do with a fresh pair of eyes and new ideas. May be not for operational stuff but at that level there's less of it. I know what people say "but they don't know anything about policing!". Yes it's true but trust me we the police have a lot to learn from other organisations. I think it would be better if they come from the private sector though as I found out by talking to friends that they seem to have the same problems in the NHS, councils, army etc
  3. stewie_griffin

    Medical Cannabis Could Be Legalised, Announces Sajid Javid

    (somewhat off-topic but..) We're about to go full legal here in Canada. As of July 1st, it will be legal to smoke marijuana. It's hard to see exactly where we'll end up, but right now it's being regarded as pretty much legal in so far as nobody's doing anything about it from a law-enforcement perspective. The main problems seem to be: - The smell. Legislators thought people would just have a little bit at their luxury lakefront property at the weekend, they didn't realise that everyone would tear the ar*se out of it from day one. So everyone gets to smell it 24/7 even in your own backyard. I've already gone to a few complaints and people have said to me, 'I thought it would be a good thing, but I had no idea it would stink all the time.' - Traffic. Basically we have no idea how to detect marijuana and at the same time comply with the Canadian Charter of Human Rights. There are laws, but they will probably last about 20 minutes before the first legal challenge is successful in the courts. Thereafter - be careful on the roads! - Apartments. Similar to the smell point above, but landlords are going to have a tough time stopping people growing and smoking in their apartments, with obvious consequences for everyone else in the building. - Organised crime. Because legal weed is more expensive than 'illegal' weed, and Canada's generally permissive approach to harder drugs, this will have no effect on organised crime. We're already seeing small legal (legal next-week anyway) grow ops getting ripped. In short, although I hope to be proved wrong, this is about to be a fairly bad idea for most people.
  4. xand_xand

    final interview

    hi again - just wanted to say thanks all and did what everyone suggested -wore a suit (well actually went with waste-coat and shirt as it was a warm sunny day) and passed my interview
  5. I don't really have much of an opinion either way on DE detectives (other than, the 12 weeks seems to be substantially less than the normal training PC gets - I would expect there to be more to cover the law, processes etc., and then move onto the CID-type procedures). That being said - we kind of do recruit directly in, in other agencies - CNC and MI5 both recruit directly in to fill firearms and intelligence/covert jobs, respectively.
  6. mike88

    First Shift Nerves

    Don't ever be afraid to ask! The worst thing you can do is pretend you understand something and make a mistake, no one will judge you for not knowing something and asking for help. We all ask each other for help all the time even experienced officers and supervisors!
  7. I can only assume from the naivety of your post that you’re not a police officer and have not performed either a CID or Response role and therefore have no idea as to what either one actually entails.
  8. Why is it? Cannabis has long term effects on folk especially when smoked at a young age, causing irreversible damage to mental health. I don't want it legalising, if I catch peope smoking it in public they'll get reported to court or PND'd. This attitude of "it isn't worth it" is the reason why we have city centres full of people off their heads on spice, aggressive begging, committing low level crimes etc. New York reversed it's crime epidemic in the 90s by tackling the issues deemed 'unworthy' its high time we took a page out of their book and began to sort these issues out.
  9. Policey_Man

    First Shift Nerves

    Not even in briefing?!?!?!?! There's always time for treats!
  10. Always make sure you get the first sock and the trousers...then the shreddies are your colleague’s problem.
  11. Chaos

    First Shift Nerves

    Hi@thecopman123, I hope you are having a good couple of first shifts and are finding your feet. I am also a tutor con and like others have stated above, they are not looking for the finished artical from day one. They know you are going to make mistakes, questionable decisions and make poor cups of tea... But that's ok... As long as you bring in cakes to make up for it [emoji39]... I jest, ...all that a tutor is looking for is that you are "safe" and "legal"... You won't be expected to take the lead right away... But nearing the end of your tutor phase you should be the lead officer at most jobs and making the decisions. Be keen, helpful to other officers, honest and don't try and hide mistakes, never file a job in the too hard to do box as you will never develop doing this. When dealing with the public try and remember the 3 F's.... That's firm, friendly and fair and you can't go far wrong. Have an app like pocket Sgt to refer to for legislation, it's handy and does really help. And like my tutor once told me, if it feels wrong, it normally is.
  12. Zulu 22

    First Shift Nerves

    Do not worry you will have your Tutor holding your hand and guiding you. Listen to what they say, and follow their instructions and guidance. The biggest danger comes when you first go out, solo. If it is any help, do not do what I did and report someone for an offence which does not exist. Fortunately I realised after advice and went back and spoke to him and informed him that on this occasion I would not take action but was prepared to just give him a mild reprimand. He was grateful but, had he not been I would have looked even more stupid. MajorDisaster's advice in post No.4 is well worth remembering.
  13. A matter close to me given my better half works in the NHS and has been the victim of assault/abuse a fair few times in her service - we've discussed this topic before but every year there seems to be no end to this story, another rise in assaults against NHS workers with little end or joined up working in sight to combat this very complex problem and with the closure of NHS Protect body I cannot see this improving either. Most on here know my feelings on this but I firmly believe enforcement should be boosted with a professional organised effort to either further empower security protecting these sites OR establish some form of 'body of constables' dedicated to the protection of NHS staff, patients and property inline with private police forces currently in existence here and seen abroad (New York being a good example.) This topic usually leads to a lively debate and thought it would be good to share, I know mental health cop tackled this issue a few years ago.
  14. Absolutely disgusting. I actually have a better solution, get rid of this silly CKP nonsense which is a complete failure clearly. The majority of forces don’t have it and the world is still turning.
  15. Reasonable Man

    Graduates 'to be detectives in 12 weeks'

    I will repeat for the few who refuse to grasp the notion. You have to gain your experience from doing a job. All police officers start with no experience of policing. A police officer with 5 or more years service may well have little experience of the skills required to be a detective. There is no good reason why a person cannot become a detective and gain the experience to become a good detective.
  16. It was promised that direct entrants were being recruited for specialist roles to use their previous expertise. This candidate, whilst seemingly better equipped than some, is now head of local policing?!? Because she completed her tutor period?!?
  17. I’ve not read every post on here so apologies in advance if this has been discussed already. To those who support DE detectives, we also have a national shortage of firearms officers. Should we recruit direct into firearms? If similar national shortages occur in other areas should we recruit direct into dog handling, or Intelligence officers, or covert officers? Why not have DE UC’s? The list could be endless. I’m all for response being regarded as a specialist but the experience gained of policing “the streets” I believe is invaluable and stays with you throughout your career. It also helps your tactical thinking and decision making when you move into specialisms. I never want to see a situation where you have a tiered police force and where DC’s are reaching for a checklist when handed an investigation.
  18. SD

    Driving offence interview questions

    There’s a national number you can ring, should be offered for all contemporaneous interviews including shoplifting, possess cannabis etc. Interviewing without a solicitor requires a supers authority IIRC
  19. MerseyLLB

    Graduates 'to be detectives in 12 weeks'

    Your argument holds little water as you aren't showing us where direct entry detectives are going to perform better? They will have 12 months policing experience compared to the 5 years you highlight in your post.
  20. Reasonable Man

    Graduates 'to be detectives in 12 weeks'

    I must have come across many 'rather useless' officers in my time then. Even when patrol/Response were carrying a workload in the force where I was a DC back in the early 90's the standard of statements was poor. We often had to retake them to cover pertinent points. Several years later We moved to a process,to free up officers time, where mainly civilians built the file meant a loss of skills over the whole process. When we introduced a Hand Over Package, containing the minimum requirements expected of the response officer oh what a hue and cry. How upset many became at being asked to fill in basic forms, attach exhibit labels and get them signed, make sure statements contained some evidence. Over protective response sergeants were almost coming to blows with DS,s who refused to take on a poor package. Most 15+ years response cops remembered how to do a decent job but 'experienced' officers with up to 10 years in hadn't been taught those basics. Newly promoted Sgts who had never put a crime file together, never been to court, how could they teach their troops? Move forward another 20 years and we have a whole generation of officers who have never been expected to investigate crime properly. So a five year cop may have some experience of stopping people, making arrests, taking very basic initial complaint statements etc. But more of their time will have been spent dealing with mispers, MH people, hospital watch, traffic matters, and other none crime investigation matters. So back to the OP. I reckon a 12 week basic detective course and then 12 months or so of doing the job is highly likely to lead to a more effective detective than a generalist cop with 5-10 years in.
  21. SD

    Driving offence interview questions

    Yeah...you might wanna go and have a read of PACE. If your asking question about an offence AND their suspected involvement in it then you are interviewing. The knock on affect is they should be offered roadside FILA. If your not doing that it’s your call but why wouldn’t you? You get paid regardless.
  22. Lone Wolf

    Section 136 MHA

    I personally wouldn't be relying on MH services to correctly interpret the law for me, especially since their answer will likely be based on whatever has the potential to cause them the least amount of work.
  23. But you can't just change policy overnight and expect cops who have been purely response to understand how to properly investigate and build a case file. At my station building case files is part of the initial 8 weeks tutor period followed by further examples throughout their probationary period. As a tutor I will generally try to get them something easy to investigate at first, usually something minor and railway related like a Trespass or Ticket job. I'll then sit down with them and build the file with them together, explaining the various MG forms involved. After this we'll take whatever may come our way but I'd sooner they deal with a nice simple arrest be it shoplifting or public order job with a little bit more bite to the investigation. You can't have cops who have done nothing but response, rushing from one job to the next and then expect them to move into investigating case files if they've never done that before. It's two totally different types of policing.
  24. Option 4. Make the role more attractive to uniformed officers.
  25. For goodness sake, I’ve been following this thread with some interest. I don’t know why this seems so hard to understand. Everyone accepts that what the officers did was wrong. I’m sure they do too now they’ve reflected on it. What they did was NOT UNLAWFUL as it stands but definitely is misconduct. They knew that they shouldn’t have done it and we can all agree that they are not trained to that level. I agree though as part of the bigger picture, forces could do more to monitor and support police drivers. This isn’t just to nanny the drivers it’s to protect the forces reputation and save on legal costs should things end up going wrong. This is done my many private companies from plumbing firms to delivery drivers. My other pet hate is the current situation we have. In modern policing with almost non existent response resources we shouldn’t be putting people in these positions in marked police cars. I know this is aimed more at regular cops who get basic driving. We can’t afford it anymore, we need to start training cops from the get go to blue light to jobs. The borough (non met) I work on now often has only basic drivers available for immediate grades often 25-30 minutes away. Someone tell me how that doesn’t put them in a difficult position hearing a burglary in progress, a cop screaming for help, a violent ongoing domestic? Of course that includes special Constables who may be the only available car. I do take exception to posters who seem to scream for blood. I absolutely agree that these officers did wrong and have been held to account but why does everything have to result in dismissal or criminal proceedings? This is why we have come so risk averse. Most of the people who scream for this are hypocrites.

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