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  1. Citizen's arrest on Police officer

    A “freeman” type once “arrested” me when I went to his house to nick him. He even had tears in his eyes when I charged him: his response to charge was “but I don’t understand, I arrested PC Bensonby first”. He ended up doing 18 months in prison and a year in a mental hospital.
  2. Thank You

    Hi all I am over the moon to finally be able to say after two years that I received my final offer today to start PC training in four weeks with Cleveland Police. I just want to say a massive thank you to everyone on this site who has contributed content and answered my queries. Hand on heart I don't think I would have passsed everything without the tips and advice on this forum from serving police officers and fellow candidates. I have always found everyone very polite and professional and always willing to offer their insights into the recruitment process and life in the police service. Thank you all again and the very best of luck to everyone in their careers.
  3. Police obsessed man jailed

    I wish you the best Marcus, I really do, but if you aren’t even willing to listen to your barrister, then I can’t help feeling sorry for you and thinking (like others have said) that you need help. That help may come in the form of more time in prison. In criminal law the “reasonable person” test is often referred to. I challenge any “reasonable person” to read the post about you gesturing and calling an officer rogue and not count that as a breach. Ignorance is no defence. It’s clear to me you know exactly what you are doing and would actually suggest you are quite intelligent which may be to your detriment. Can you see the irony about you complaining about breaches of human rights whereas you have complete disregard for the rights of the officers you abuse/harass. Why are you human right more important than persons in uniforms doing their jobs?
  4. Police obsessed man jailed

    Prison should be a punishment, you were there because of your own actions, I hope it deters you from continuing to commit crime. Truth is it’s hard to believe you Marcus because you have such a warped interpretation of what’s right and wrong, having watched your videos and listened to your claims there are many occasions where common sense and honesty are absent. That said you clearly need help, and I hope you get it. I hope you now realise that many of the people who encourage you to behave as you do are simply using a vulnerable adult. Volunteer for a charity or something
  5. Best Patrol Bag?

    And meanwhile a decent patrol bag type is still the best the best type of bag. They're not even a expensive if you're patient. Mine was £23ish after discounts. I'll add a bag picture since you seem to like pictures.
  6. Citizen's arrest on Police officer

    This frankly bizarre thread is now locked. Thank you everyone for your patience and contribution to this thread, you've been excellent.
  7. Police obsessed man jailed

    You put yourself in prison. Don't put yourself in prison again and you have solved your problems. Maybe start a campaign for better prison conditions. Volunteer to keep others out of prison. Anything other than doing what you have been and moaning about the obvious and inevitable consequences.
  8. #Snowmageddon Kit and equipment

    I'll save him a job.
  9. New forms of punishment

    You know this is something I can agree with. My mother was a mental health nurse, when she started her career in the early 80s she worked at a large, secure mental health hospital where patients were looked after. When care in the community was brought in many of these people were let out with very little support from social/mental health services, people were left unsupervised to take medication etc. We have seen the result with some high profile acts of violence committed by people who frankly should have been in a secure hospital - in my own experience I have attended numerous coroners inquests where mentally ill people have sadly taken their own lives with the verdict being they should have been within a secure unit of a hospital rather than being left to their own devices in an empty flat with a nurse visiting them once a week... However I cannot pretend all of the regulars I deal with are mentally ill, they simply aren't. They are a product of a society that tolerates their self destructive behaviour without fear of any real consequence. Given the role I do I encounter vagrant types alot of the time, all have some form of addiction be it Heroin, Alcohol, Spice etc they all have some form of dependency. They all are in receipt of benefits and they all have state housing- one or two are homeless generally because they have refused help from the council and support charities or they have been removed from their housing because of their behaviour. I was asked "What do we do with these people" and I honestly believe some form of the old workhouse model may work - of course I'm not asking for a return the bad old Victorian model... But a secure unit where these people could be taught life skills, get themselves off of their addictions, work to earn their own money and be supported back into society... Rather than paying for their continued destructive life styles with little intervention as we currently do.
  10. Well whoever told you that was wrong, weren't they? For a start you can use force in self-defence or defence of another. S3 CLA permits you to use force in the prevention of crime, common law permits you to use force to prevent breaches of the peace etc. S117 PACE allows you to use force in the execution of any power in PACE which does not require consent. S143 Licensing Act allows us to forcibly remove drunk or disorderly people from licensed premises and prevent them from re-entering. S18 MHA allows us to return escaped or absconded MH patients to the hospital by force. I could go on and on here. I did say earlier that in most cases that's what would happen, but nonetheless the law would permit you to do it. Because the law allows us to. Because the offence itself might be of such a nature that you're going to deal with it on the street anyway, and so if you have the manpower and the wherewithal to confirm their identity on the street then a passing use of force is less invasive upon their Article 5 rights than a more protracted arrest and detention in the police station which could have been avoided. Because the level of resistance might be low-level and passive in nature and so the force required is correspondingly low. You might as well ask how we can justify restraining people and searching them forcibly on the street prior to any arrest, they're both powers explicitly written into PACE so why are you more comfortable with one than the other apart from it being more familiar? There would be an obstruction offence, and being summary there's nothing to stop you summonsing them for that as well as the cannabis/traffic/whatever other volume summary offences you were originally dealing with. We've covered that already but it's S61(6A) PACE if you want to read up on it. It was created by SOCPA in 2005 so it's not exactly new. This is absolutely risible and all the more so coming from someone with your supposed experience. It's remarks like this which make me wonder whether you really can be a retired inspector.
  11. BBC: Physicist Stephen Hawking dies aged 76

    Stephen Hawking was first and foremost a brilliant mind that will never be replaced. Whilst he should be remembered for his academic contributions and his actions to make science more mainstream, he was also a role model in terms of demonstrating that ability should trump disability. In addition, he is also an excellent example of how great the NHS is in terms of supporting him to overcome the odds and living for so long with his condition, as well as showcasing the shared values that we have as a nation that we collectively celebrate universal healthcare for all as a basic human right.
  12. Citizen's arrest on Police officer

    Absolutely you can, and should. The easiest way is wait until you have been presented to the Custody Officer and make the arrest in front of him/her. That way s/he will know the circumstances of the arrest and can book the arrested officer in immediately after you have been.
  13. Drivers without business insurance

    Which part of a road traffic stop includes a requirement for a driver to provide their driving licence, insurance, MoT, vehicle registration and stated purpose of their journey? I would agree the use of a vehicle for hire and reward is a clear material violation of an insurance policy. What I'm ruffled with is people delving into one off ad hoc journeys or casual use which breaches the insurance Ts and Cs. As I said, there are some parallels to be drawn with other insurance policies though I concede motor insurance is the only legal requirement I can think of where police would act as enforcers. We aren't insurance claim assessors, MoT testers, vehicle examiners (aside from exceptions!), parking wardens or any other such agencies. I suppose my view is somewhat simplistic but most people committing technical insurance offences have gone to the trouble of paying a not inconsiderable amount of money to insure their vehicle against 3rd party risks. There seems to be a perverse joy gained by certain officers for sticking these people on. Yet these are not the 'uninsured drivers' who crash into your car and leave you up poo creek when there is a crash. As with most things road traffic related, there is a tendency to go for the low hanging fruit in UK policing and we wonder why the public don't fall over themselves to congratulate us for a job well done. I used to scoff at the people telling us we should be looking for rapists, murderers and burglars... but these days they are right! There seems to be only a handful of crimes/incidents which warrant our attention these days. I see on another thread we now have police advice that using your android pay to pay for your drive thru fast food is worthy of a FPN and 6 points now - I as a private person lack confidence in the police if This is their assessment of proportionality and threat/harm/risk.
  14. Police obsessed man jailed

    God I'm bored of this guy [emoji23]
  15. Police obsessed man jailed

    Looking at those FOI’s @MPotter clearly is looking for ammunition to use against officers in his future dealings.
  16. 'Arm British police' says US intelligence chairman

    They won't all be... When we stopped using female officers as missing persons coordinators and the women's department I'm sure there were some who didn't make the jump. If we scrapped the PCSO role not every one of them would be suitable to retrain to become a PC. But a large enough majority should be able to. Unless you believe that being British as opposed to nearly every other nationality makes you somehow unable to learn a safety drill, point an object and squeeze the trigger in a controlled manner. I was able to be trained to use .22s as a child, an SA80 as a 16 year old (as a child) and spent half a day at a range abroad becoming quite proficient (in relative terms) with a variety of small arms. Hell I won a shooting competition on the dragunov and won a free beer. I am not a firearms licence/certificate holder and would not consider myself to be 'experienced' to any great degree - if i was in a room and somebody asked who had firearms knowledge i wouldnt put my hand up. Mostly you need an understanding of how a weapon works, an appreciation for safety and the ability to learn a new skill. As for the mental readiness to take a life - well if you aren't up for the prospect of it you shouldn't be a police officer as you literally never know what you might have to do one day whether with a firearm, a vehicle or any other weapon.
  17. Your knowledge of firearms is poor. A mini sub machine gun is inaccurate, expensive, complicated and wastes ammo.
  18. -=- The Forum General Chat Thread -=-

    Gosh, well this is a blast from the past... Randomly started getting notifications of posts from this site again, having not been on it for ruddy ages... I left the police in June 2016, having been a serving police officer and prior to that a PCSO. I served about 5 years in all, then left and worked for the Information Commissioner's Office (and moved back North) as a Criminal Investigator & disclosure officer on a major investigation. I've recently moved over to work as an Auditor still for the ICO as I felt it was time to move on and learn some new skills and work in a job which had better outside career prospects. How the heck is everyone?
  19. Frozen chickens fired at high speed are effective in crowd control.
  20. My mum drank my Pepsi Max the other day which I bought and put in the cupboard to take to work. She replaced them but they're not the same physical cans I bought so I can't wait for the domestic theft report to be created and see the relentless investigation that ensues.
  21. For example as a white male I don’t see myself as ‘dominant’ and I don’t think anyone else I know would even think anything of the sort. What I’m trying to get at is in reality there isn’t an issue. Normal people in society just get on with it, are tolerant and don’t make everything about race or gender or sexuality, more so in the under 35 type bracket. Like me and Radman have said, we are people, full stop. There are a core of people who are desperate for there to be issues in society and for there’s to be ‘injustice’ and to tell people that they are somehow victims. This leads to the feeling of inequality. This sort of behaviour fuels the social media type movements, I also think government have a lot to answer for on this along with the usual mainstream liberal media. Generally the people that clutch at straws and bring up the buzzwords like racism are in fact the ones that see people in different boxes and are actually the problem. I would add however that any genuine cases of racism, sexism, homophobia and any hate crime really is abhorrent and should be dealt with robustly along with any form of discrimination. Too often we can’t see the wood for the trees due to all of the hype and nonsense.
  22. Citizen's arrest on Police officer

    You can't understand the terms of your CBO but think you understand law well enough to arrest a police officer?
  23. Force could trial scrapped helmets

    Love my custodian, wear it every shift when out on beats. I would hate to see it go.
  24. Citizen's arrest on Police officer

    This is worrying.
  25. Citizen's arrest on Police officer

    It might theoretically be possible. However, would it meet the necessity test? Officers are clearly identifiable, can be freely filmed and reported for due process. It's a limited and difficult process. Any attempt to infringe the movement of said officer would likely result in your arrest. Any physical attempt to restrain the officer would likely result in a lengthy conversation with the pavement.
  26. I'm sure (I hope) the IPCC vet their applicants. She must have therefore lied in leaving off her "real" name on the vetting forms. I also can't understand how she accounted for her time in the police on her application/vetting forms (including her reason for leaving) unless she once again lied. Surely these should be automatic reasons for dismissal? I'm conflicted on this one. As much as I love to see the IPCC getting a black eye, this individual clearly is out to get as much compo as she can without doing any work. She got £37k from the Met for bullying and is now seeking over 100k after less than six months work. Unlike this individual, who choose a soft posting with the DPG, I currently work on a proactive unit. I recently got 2k from the Criminal Injuries Board (and the Crown Court gave me £250 in compensation) for having my head split open by a suspect with a hammer, leaving me with facial scarring and a daily reminder. "Reasonable" Man you can I'm sure you will claim that I was adequately compensated and that I should be grateful.
  27. @MPotter I highly doubt you would be any use anyway, you’d probably be too busy shouting abuse or trying to catch the best filming angle.
  28. Police obsessed man jailed

    Fully agreed Zulu 22. But it's generating debate and so far nothing has breached our rules; members can choose to engage or not. I also fully agree with you regarding those hiding behind autism labels. I said it earlier and I will repeat it here. Having read MPotter's posts, including those of his own defence against his own convictions and/or sentencing, I think is very well aware of his own actions and what he is doing, and is merely attempting to hide behind his autism.
  29. I think all this criticism is a little unfair. Six minutes the entire incident is said to have lasted. Regardless of if you're John McLane or Paul Blart mall cop your first responsibility is to assess what is going on, how many shooters, where they are and give a dynamic sitrep to get more resources. Because if you're going to enter you need to turn your phone and your radio off/right down as otherwise you will be just another dead police officer in a nation with a disconcerting large roll of honour. Now assuming for one second this police officer had never actually been involved in an active shooter scenario...as most of us have not. He says his first instinct was that the shooter was outside - apparently because of a report of a dead body located outside a school building. So in the first instance, his wish to take cover and assess is not incorrect. Assuming he does at some point discover the shooter is in fact inside. How big is the school building? If you don't know where the shooter is, is there any point running round aimlessly? I'd say running round like a headless chicken (armed or not) is a sure fire way to get your head blown off. I'm not saying the officer was right or wrong, I'm sure further investigation will bring more evidence to light. But it's simply laughable to read about the amount of warriors who would have run into the school aimlessly because... 'Murica.
  30. New forms of punishment

    We could just make prison a deterrent by making it hard and uncomfortable, supplemented by actually teaching criminals to have a routine and be responsible for their own care by cleaning, feeding and maintaining the prison in which they reside. Instead of the Butlins camp they have at present.
  31. In other news. People driving carelessly may be dealt with for careless driving.
  32. It really does seem now that the changes made by the government to appoint independent chairs for misconduct hearings are blowing up in their face. It seemed to be an arrogant decision based on the false premise that senior police officers chairing hearings would be biased towards the subject, when in fact it often appears that a cop's biggest enemies in times like this come from within their own. It's good to see decent, independent people slamming this rubbish for what it is.
  33. Noteworthy re the driving... The police Oracle article covering the decision mentions that the form clearly shows that the PCs exemtpion merely shows a subjective interpretation of legitimate policing purpose rather than evidence of lying. Also HIGHLY relevant is that the PC received points on his personal licence and MPS driving permit! Talk about 3 bites of the cherry. I'd argue there's actually a case for investigating the investigation - there has been at best sloppy work and at worst prosecutorial misconduct (in terms of the disciplinary process). There was integrity issues raised by the panel over the Sgt and Insps notes, investigation and discrepancies I their evidence. There was also unrecorded collusion and verbatim copying of phrases in their reports...only admitted to at the hearing as 'we might have discussed this point together before writing our report.' People are saying there's more to this...well it definitely sounds like it...it sounds like there's been a right number done on this PC. I woudldnt blame him for leaving soon for a less hostile climate. Also noteworthy is the witness who was in the van with him was never asked for notes on the incident until the formal hearing process...which when she gave said the smell of sick wasmy really effecting her (assisting the Mets case)...yet the CCTV clearly showed her wretching and commenting about the sick (clearly supporting the defence!) Yet more disclosure issues? Now I wonder if the DPS will face the same castigation for their disclosure failings as they impose on cops doing criminal work?!?
  34. I never wanted to carry taser or firearms at the beginning when I became a special. These days I just see it as a tool that could get me home safe one day. But I haven't pushed to get one, and as far as I recall there hasn't been any advert for people to get one where I am.

    Just to feedback on anyone who may be interested! Medical went well and the depression wasn't an issue as it was recognised that I had recovered :-)
  36. I’ve not really been following this thread, so apologies. However, there seems to be a lot of arguments over the legality of using such device or what powers we have to take prints. This poster would appear to have direct access to Chief Super who can give a definitive answer (or has already given the poster a verbal definitive answer). Most cannon fodder like me don’t have access to senior officers so perhaps Connor James you could tell us what he said or ask him to provide us with a definitive answer regarding this equipment. I think that would benefit us all and ensure we (if we ever get them) are using the correctly, ethically and within policy and legislation.
  37. But how will the police tackle serious organised crime and terrorism is every British police officer doesn’t have a sub machine gun? [emoji23]
  38. Availability of offensive weapons

    Not always, but quite often. It's not naïve to use google for information, provided you're aware that your source may not always be correct. We 'sample' CS so we can keep working through the effects when it inevitably gets used on us. We're taught in a classroom how and where it should be used. If experiencing the nasty end of a tactical option were a reasonable requirement to carry it, most of us would've been batoned, tasered or shot. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it does appear that you're largely latching on to the fact the poster you're going up against isn't an officer, and then trying to discredit them or their evidence without actually dealing with it.
  39. 'Arm British police' says US intelligence chairman

    Indeed -slightly off topic but this is the issue I have with officers who don't routinely wear their stab vests and you have to wait for them to put it on before dealing with a situation. If you are going to arm then arm. Glocks as stated are simple to use and accurate, hence their adoption by MoD for UK Armed Forces (though i have a slight personal preference for the Sig)

    I've been in a similar situation and have experienced the 'we won't be accepting you' and the 'we're happy you're medically fit.' I should mention that this wasn't mental health related but something that was a medical issue that has occurred throughout my life. I was dropped going through police officer recruitment as they had concerns that I may not be medically fit enough for the role and that I may be a safety risk, that entailed writing to my GP and my specialist. I applied for a different role which uses the police officer medical standards and managed to get passed as medically fit. Both of which though meant that my doctors had to be written to which took time as well as the force doctor taking their time on forming a decision. I hope this helps.
  41. Best Patrol Bag?

  42. I think that his ‘achievement’ lends credence to the newfound ‘term of affection’ of being “tighter than a Brixton drug dealer’s ****”.
  43. New forms of punishment

    If you have any experience of mental health services then you would realise the first part of your post is nonsense. There is a push more and more to treat mental illness with CBT and other such therapies. A chat over Skype or a internet learning programme won’t cut it I’m afraid. The latter part of your posts reads how I imagine North Korea to be. The government pumping out propaganda over the Tv and internet telling the masses how to be good citizens.
  44. Search/Powers in Hospital Ward

    From a MH Blog written by an AMHP. As Richard Jones observes “an A& E dept waiting area is a public place, but a hospital ward is not, as it is a place to which only particular members of the public can attend at the request of the patient and with the permission of the hospital managers”. http://themaskedamhp.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/what-is-public-place.html?m=1
  45. New forms of punishment

    I have no idea how they deal with prisoners in the US. In this country all prisoners are assessed within an arrival period as regards convictions, mental stability and capacity, addictions, danger grade, gang-related or not, homeless or not, social group, terrorism or crime, age, use of weapons or not, etc. They usually remain in a reception wing until assessed. I attended a seminar yesterday from a prison manager and he informed as that 48% of prisoners had mental health problems and should not be in prison. However the Prison service can do nothing about that once a Judge or Court has committed them to Prison. They arrive with a detention Warrant and they are duty bound to accept them. There is a gross shortage of Prison Officers, just as there is a shortage of Police Officers. Because of shortages, in many prisons they are run by gangs and the law of the Jungle, which is a condemnation of the system. Private Prisons are a nightmare and are regarded more as Holiday Camps. I am a believer that Prisons should not be soft options, that discipline should been enforced and that prisoners should have to earn softer conditions by their behaviour, not as a right. A huge condemnation is that drugs are more readily available within Prisons than on the streets. Officers can get high on "Spice" just by entering the atmosphere of a cell where Spice has been present. The Government has it in its power to make regulations in legislation that remission to sentence is not a right, all sentences should be there to be served in full, and that any remission has to be earned by good behaviour. That in itself would be an incentive for good behaviour and compliance. In prison assessments inmates can be given training and earn work qualifications for a life outside. In our local HMPP, a Womens Prison they even have a restaurant, open to the public, which is staffed by Prisoners who complete their sentences with qualifications and have also been found employment on release. They have earned this by their behaviour. There are Inmates who have no intentions of changing their behaviour and are completely unsuitable for anything else but Prison. Yes we do have people who commit offences to be sentenced to Prison as, to them, it is a secure place, with warmth, a bed and three meals a day. Most of these people however, have mental issues and should not be there, but they choose to be.
  46. To be honest, whilst I'm not an AFO, from what I've heard it's relatively rare for people to actually try to disarm firearms officers here so perhaps weapon retention drills need a bit more training. I don't wish to Labour the point but the US gun culture leads to a situation where a hell of alot of police contacts in the US do result in situations where deadly force is proportionate...we're simply not that well versed in it here because (ASP red zones etc aside) we don't generally have the ability to use deadly force. A copper being kicked by multiple people on the round being overwhelmed in the US would quite legitimately result in a colleague discharging his firearm...here you would just have another PC running on windmillinh and hoping for the best.
  47. Beard length

    Those of us who are CBRN trained receive respirators, rather than gas masks, but it's beside the point. My role requires that I am available for CBRN callouts at work; that doesn't stop me wearing a beard, I just keep a razor with my CBRN kit.
  48. The end of traditional police hats?

    To be fair if a naked copper tried to arrest me I'd be worried too.. mostly about where he'd been storing his cuffs...

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