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  1. It was a convertible and he came out over the top!
    4 points
  2. In answer to the OP's question, not much. I don't think I'd rejoin. I do still have friends in the job, most are actively thinking of leaving. Not just my old force, but the local Home Office force, as well. Half of my own training class left before completing their probation. Policing is a uniquely disfunctional and parochial profession. My own experience was that inovation was actively discouraged and countless opportunities to improve were missed. The attitude that "it's always been done this way" seemed to prevail, even if the process was ineffective or just plain didn't work. This w
    3 points
  3. I can’t remember who said it, but the quotation goes something like this , “The public get the police service they deserve “. I don’t believe that this is fair, especially for law abiding citizens and the more mature/elderly amongst us. A lack of discipline and indeed self discipline together with a selfish lawless streak that defines some groups and communities has bred an apathetic attitude towards policing and holders of other offices of authority and responsibility in recent years. The media may well bear some responsibility for this too. I expect respect and self discipline will return
    3 points
  4. Get caught dancing at a carnival, sledging using shields or playing mini golf and get told that we are letting the side down. Stand around stony faced and get accused of being aloof. We can't win.
    3 points
  5. I think my problem with the state of Policing within the UK and I can totally sympathise with the public on this one is the lack of actual, proactive bobbying being done, the general lack of what the public would consider beat policing which has harmed our communities up and down the country. Policing has changed, we are now more of a safeguarding force than a policing one, even in BTP land where I can arguably say bar the inundation with mental health related incidents (which some weeks is by far the vast majority of calls I will receive to attend) I still have the time to be proactive,
    2 points
  6. In many ways I can accept this one except for the fact that our wages had been kept down for the previous 10 years. Austerity was not our fault but we paid for it through wages and staff cuts whilst the bankers and politicians who caused it or let it happen got away scot free. This time its a natural disaster which is affecting the whole country but its still annoying that we kept working in the forefront of the covid response but all we get in return are bland platitudes along with what is effectively a wage cut.
    2 points
  7. As a current serving RMP (leaving soon), we do not use CAVA etc, in the UK to be fair we barely require handcuffs let alone batons as most UK units are reactive rather than pro active. Since being home most suspects will get told to show up for IAC etc, if they don’t then they presumably aren’t going to work and would end up AWOL and not being paid, able to leave country etc. You have to imagine that a squaddie needing the police at the weekend is going to call Civ Pol rather than wait some time for the nearest on-call RMP to arrive. Back to the original Q though, I’d imagine it’s an
    2 points
  8. As much as it pains me to say this at what point do we stop blaming the youths responsible for this and admit we've failed as a society? These youths have grown up in an environment completely devoid of personal responsibility and real consequence for poor actions & behaviour yet have had the message reinforced to them that they are both protected and entitled. This attitude of "You have to show me respect" is endemic amongst children and I'm sure most cops out on the streets encounter this self entitled mindset whenever speaking to large groups of youths. This does not s
    2 points
  9. It's time for unregulated accommodation for anyone under the age of 18 to be phased out in my view. The line between what does and doesn't constitute care is too blurred, there are too many homes either providing unregistered care or housing young people who really do require care when all they are able to offer is "supported accommodation" and too many providing poor quality services without being properly held to account by local authority social services. Any provider offering accommodation to children in care or care leavers under the age of 18 ought to be regulated by OFSTED, without exce
    2 points
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  11. Some while back watched officer explain how he'd asked for name etc repeatedly and driver refused, after threat of arrest, eventually got arrested and just before being driven away in van was finally asked if he'd give his name etc, driver said 'yes, okay'. Officer then told hime he was being rearrested and then again asked for his name at which the driver said 'I'm not telling you'. Bench nearly fell off their seats before convicting and a hefty fine.
    1 point
  12. Same in our experience to be fair. My local force is largely absent when it comes to proactive policing (bar one town centre team who seem to be very good) next county along and it's a different story, always see cops about.
    1 point
  13. I don't think anyone's trying to discourage you from applying, just giving some perspective and thoughts be based on personal experience. I left a few years ago, it may have changed in meantime? In policing you will see and do stuff that you couldn't in any other career. Some of good, some of it bad. Perhaps be mindful of this, when evaluating the job as a future career. Nevertheless, best of luck with your application, whatever you choose.
    1 point
  14. It's more about the people within them than national secrets, cops involved in certain types of investigations etc. Whether any piece of legislation could be drafted to cover it or not I will agree with you that better training needs to implemented but then again what training do you need to implement to be polite to folk? Even folk you might not like or agree with, just be civil to them.
    1 point
  15. I’ve had exactly this: arrested them for failing to produce their driving licence. Upon search I found it. I dearrested him and summonsed him for failing to produce and obstruction (he locked his car doors when I told him he was nicked). He got convicted on both counts.
    1 point
  16. Perhaps its being the victim of the policing ego and expectations. Now, it seems amazing that a stray dog might have been expected to be taken to a station, now the council do a mediocre job of it. There seems to be an instance that if the police have any tangental role or responsibility for something then they have to keep it! There was (and think there still is) a discussion on an agency doing the m'way accidents to help speed up opening the road without loss of evidence to great upset that it was solely a police job. And yet, in the same breath, many of those who want to keep it in h
    1 point
  17. Yeah if you've arrested them take them to custody unless suddenly you find their driving licence on them or they tell you who they are which you can verify, then I'd de-arrest for a low level job. Necessity no longer exists to arrest.
    1 point
  18. Sadly, good Policing is not newsworthy for the press, but any misbehaviour and they highlight and magnify what ever happened. The Legal system lets down the majority law abiding citizen by failing to be strict with sentencing and lawyers coming forward with uncorroborated sob stories on behalf of defendants. The Senior Command team have become so politicised that they seem to forget what their purpose is and seem more concerned with paying lip service to Politicians instead of speaking out against their weakness. Two things I hated when Policing, the lax and failing sentencing and a
    1 point
  19. Personally I'd say it's a double edged sword. For me I'd say that the downside to policing is that the courts don't represent a true legal system in that their outcomes are too weak. The fact that Johnny burglar or Peter fighter can go do what they do and then get presented in front of the courts and they get nothing. A friend of mine from another force dealt with a career criminal burglar, he was arrested on 17 counts of burglary and likely a lot more that went under the radar, he got remanded, went to court and they gave him 10 days in prison and he didn't have to pay any victim surcha
    1 point
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  21. Well if people have the capability to clone Credit cards, ID cards should pose no problem,
    1 point
  22. yep, my error, seen it is runners, walkers and cyclists, but it is not fitted described as being fitted to the pedal cycle. As the site suggests, stick it on your head, backpack, ankles etc then its no offence and does not come under the RV(Lighting) regs, and guess what, it suggests it clips to clothing, backpack, belt or even the dog's collar. It invites the users to use the light but not to fit it to the bike. Still no problem with selling them, even to a cyclist, and then the appropriate offence would, IMHO, be showing other than red/white light to rear/front. Having said that, fin
    1 point
  23. The Guernsey system of justice was over ridden and destroyed by the German occupying Forces. If you stepped out of line you were off to a Concentration camp, irrespective of age or sex. It was exactly the same on Jersey. If you ever get to Jersey the German Underground Hospital is well worth a visit. It was built by Russian prisoners who were worked until the died and buried in the tunnels under the rubbish. There is now an excellent museum within its structure with a history of some of the Islands hero's. It is a very sombre resemblance of just what the German Forces were capable of.
    1 point
  24. Wow, that's a real case of "Computer says no" They could overturn it, but the system won't let them. So they won't change the system to deal with the injustice. There is nothing we could do, unless we did something, which we won't.
    1 point
  25. BBC teletext (Cambs) reports thurs 261120 gross misconduct finding and dismissed.
    1 point
  26. 1 point
  27. Ah yes, London based, just as all those Whitehall mandarins are thinking of moving out of the capital so as to get better value for money on the basics of accommodation, travel, allowances etc etc etc. Whenever there is talk of budgets, anyone who lives/works outside of London will know that to be based or work/live in London immediately incurs higher costs and despite the added cost, often relatively little operational benefit. Great idea but alas the predictor from here is it will quickly be slimmed down due to budgets!
    1 point
  28. Grandma D will be pleased, she mislaid hers in 1954 🤫🤭😂
    1 point
  29. Always good to see a friendly returning face. Welcome back.
    1 point
  30. Slightly off topic but a quick rant..... Hang on, you posted the story without comment whether you were for against or it appears, indifferent to the content. Perhaps rather than slating comments you dislike, you could put your neck on the line as a starter with your own views along with the post you make. don't get me wrong, I do appreciate those who scour the media for interesting stories for the forum, but perhaps a bit of filtering or a new section for click bait or sleaze! Perhaps we're missing the point made by both the posts, to wonder how the info was released to the press -if it was
    1 point
  31. Good morning all. It’s been a while since I popped in. I hope you’re all safe and well? I’m currently looking out at the lovely sunshine and hoping that before too long we can all be back to leading a normal life. Best wishes to you all and keep safe! 👍
    1 point
  32. Followed by one of the most insincere apologies ever made with Patel making it sound like she was apologising on behalf of the people who were offended by her attitude rather than apologising for her behaviour.
    1 point
  33. I never knew that being human and interacting with the public was a Disciplinary offence. Utter waste of time. Taking the knee was more of an offence.
    1 point
  34. Do they not sack them now? If not Dick needs to quit, if they do why suggest otherwise.
    1 point
  35. A word should not be necessary. As for the last few years, all you have to do is look at PCC's who are all politically motivated and have brain washed compliant Chief Officers. PCC's were the worst, so called, innovation in Policing.
    1 point
  36. If I recall correctly, every Christmas Day I served, was invited to 'pop-in' to so many houses in my patch, I'd be hard pushed to have the time to write anybody up... I wonder how many Bobby's are getting invited these days? As for 'protecting the public...' dont waste your time. The public are getting more informed by the day. Sooner Bobbies wake up, the sooner they take the rigntful position, stop being used as political pawns and return to honouring the Oath.
    1 point
  37. I'm deeply sceptical about the effectiveness of trying to keep everyone under house arrest, ruining the futures of thousands of young people and permanently closing thousands of small businesses. If there was evidence that any of these measures had the slightest effect on the path of the pandemic, I'd agree with them. But there isn't. So the police end up looking like bullies. But whatever. You've won the argument here - these measures are in place for the forseeable future, and freedoms which we used to enjoy are likely gone forever. Your reference to 1939 and the Nazi threat is in
    1 point
  38. Never saw this was going to happen. Eventually, when the public have finally run out of patience with government response to the pandemic, the police will have lost all credibility.
    1 point
  39. The Police were enforcing the law, as was the Home. The family were acting illegally but, you could not help feeling for their dilemma. The daughter had power of attorney over her finances only. The power of Attorney for her well being to assigned to the home.
    1 point
  40. Whilst I am personally in favour of all officers carrying a TASER and sidearm. Purely because it means that officers have the tactical options to deal with more challenging situations. I can't see it happening, because it would take a Home Secretary with an actual backbone, to admit what many already know. That the current approach to policing is no longer fit for purpose.
    1 point
  41. That's because they have not been trained yet. Many (most) police officer are able to master the complexities of putting a file together, driving at high speed, giving evidence in court or defending themselves with a stick. But shooting a gun is somehow a magic power that is only attainable by a select few? I don't think so.
    1 point
  42. I'm not aware of any such approach of using a specific phrase to challenge inappropriate behaviour in the UK. In the UK we have the Code of Ethics and through the National Decision Model (attached) everything you do is supposed to be by reference to the Code (which encompasses treating people fairly, with respect, etc.) If an officer wasn't acting in accordance with the Code, then it would be for colleagues to intervene as they felt appropriate. There is always a balance between treating a member of the public with courtesy, but knowing when enough is enough and appropriate use
    1 point
  43. Brilliant idea to buy the lights and then wonder at their legality! However, it reds that you intend to use them INSIDE the vehicle so you can pretty much do as you please with them, remembering that when the vehicle is moving they may be a distraction to the driver or mean the drivers fails to see a red/blue/green/ other light outside that ends up getting your 9 seater scratched. The easiest way to deal with it is have a read of the Road Vehicle Lighting regs (not before bed though). To avoid any hassle adopt the idea of no whites to the rear and no reds to the front. If you think of
    1 point
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