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  1. I'm not an officer but do have a little experience of missing persons. When a member of the public calls the police either on 999 and 101 and report a missing person in this case lets say it was the persons mother then the telephone operator will take a brief missing person report over the phone, they will grade it themselves initially depending on risk so for instance if somebody called in and said they can't find their child whose under 5 or their friend has gone missing and they left a suicide note it would be regarded high risk and get an immediate response where as somebody who regu
    3 points
  2. Just drop the Diversity and LGBT. Just recruit the best qualified people regardless, of Colour, Sexuality. Concentrate on ability. Anything other is just poisonous jus to appease certain factions. The only thing in favour of the adverts is that there is not a tattoo in sight.
    3 points
  3. Wow that was the most robust defence of stop and search that I've seen and its about time that senior officers came out to defend its use. The BBC has a different story which focusses on lack of punishment following complaints about S&S. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55877838 My interpretation of the BBC story is that it is biased and makes the assumption that just because a complaint is made that the complaint is justified with the complainant being believed without question leaving the police officer being in the wrong. I have never seen anyone suggest that
    3 points
  4. Whilst the MOP might not have done himself any favours, the officer in question showed absolutely **** poor tac Comms, and a completely unnecessary over reaction. Every station seems to have at least that one officer with the intelligence, charisma and tac Comms of a brick. The one you despair to be partnered up with. Who's mere presence can turn the most innocuous incident into a running battle. Clearly this guy is that officer. I'm hoping he has an "interview without coffee" with PSD before too long.
    3 points
  5. Any advice on a specific area of law is from either currently-serving UK police officers, and is offered to the best of their ability, or from members of the public who are perhaps aspiring to be serving police officers and may not hold the necessary level of knowledge to provide such assistance or by any other member who may offer their opinion. Either way such advice can only be treated as an opinion and nothing more. Members should look for the Verified Members Badge that appears on the posters name as advice from members holding this badge are verified police employees. The information is
    2 points
  6. Funny, but I thought the post was about people about to die unless they were given immediate and relatively invasive essential first aid rather than concious and violent!
    2 points
  7. Command are tremendously nervous about any hint that front line officers might in any way be seen to get even the slightest preferential treatment, despite our increased risks. Of vaccine is going to be binned and we are in a position to have it,is that such s hard thing to communicate to the public? It's not free doughnuts, it helps us not die.
    2 points
  8. Hello. Quick couple of questions if you'd be so good as to help me: Would it be unusual for 2 Sergeants to work together in a team (like a partnership)? This is for a drama I'm writing so doesn't have to be 100% realistic, but enough so that people don't spit out their tea! One is actually an acting Sgt. My other question is related to missing persons - a student has gone missing (again, this is fiction). Totally out of character and no information apart from she was last seen getting ready to go on a date a few nights ago. No idea who with or where. Would this be asses
    2 points
  9. I think the resignation is entirely appropriate in this one . A flagrant breach of the law.. not sure why you throw away a career over a rave but there you go
    2 points
  10. My father is a mixed-race immigrant living in London. When he first lived in London in the 70's, he was a prime candidate for racial profiling, but he never once told me growing up how 'racist and intolerant' the cops were. When he travelled a few times on business to the states after 9/11, he got singled out and spoken to as to the purpose of his journey, where he was originally from etc. He never once complained about it as he knew they were just doing their jobs. I spoke to him recently about stop and search in London and he complained about all the negative backlash, pretty much
    2 points
  11. Stop and search isn't disproportionate at all when compared to who's actually on the street to be searched anyway, the entire concept is a myth.
    2 points
  12. Mollie Pouches was my first tutor. Funny lady.
    2 points
  13. Really basic thing here. I'm working in a Non-Crime dept, but supply kit. Due to being operational too I've been asked my opinion on some things. Result of which we're not spending ~£20k every few months we would otherwise. Instead I've looked, designed, sourced and ordered about £1k of kit from a supplier we haven't used in years that should keep us going for a year. The reason behind the initial quote was that some cop told them a few years back this was essential kit. It isn't, if it was I wouldn't have piles of the stuff on the shelf. Even then I wrote up a business case for it in ca
    2 points
  14. So you've just been off on a lengthy diatribe about policing leadership under the current system, yet insist it must still be better than anything else? The skills to manage a large organisation effectively are not the same ones which make good PCs, so it's not being selected for at the outset nor does the police tend to develop that ability very well. This is just one of the ways the inflexibility of the office of constable hampers British policing, along with recruiting specialist fraud or IT investigators from the public sector, or recruiting detectives full stop. By having everyone r
    2 points
  15. I was going to put a long waffle about whether they did it the safe way or not. I'm rather disappointed that the phrasing of the above post sees it as being acceptable for individuals and groups to put themselves and others at risk and yet shout out for being prioritised for the vaccine. Don't know enough about the incident to decry the officers actions - you'd think if it had been sanctioned then there would be no need for a probe! The whole point of open debate and the forum is to share our views which I fully support. But in this context and the current times, I 'll put m
    2 points
  16. I'm going to be the sour puss in the group and say if you 're taking such a large pay cut (you mentioned 50%), that means you are currently on roughly £50,000, so I would assume you have spent a great deal of time in your chosen profession and probably sacrificed a lot to get to such a rewarding salary. My advice: Don't do it. If you are willing to take such a financial hit, then you 're probably an idealist who wants to help people and make the word a better place. There is no Home Office force that will allow you to do this as a front line cop. Instead, it will demoralise you, bea
    2 points
  17. I think that the Photographer was still on the 18th hole and the git was not carrying his camera in his bag.😉
    1 point
  18. @BlueBob +,Totally agree and very much like your first two sentences regarding this matter. I can only give my advice to specials constables new to the job, but what I will put to them (for what its worth) is to look at the use of force “impact factors”. Read them till you know them by heart. When acting “off duty” the stress of the situation can cloud judgement or proper assessment. I will repeat what that Sgt on the American police programme forty years ago used to say after he finished his briefing , “Hey, let’s be careful out there” wise words indeed. But In the scenario or
    1 point
  19. Can we? I think the MPS can carry (as in have in their possession "off duty") when if there's OST the next day, court the next day, parading at a different site the next day, or if performing an actual on call function (and then taking it all back the other way) You can't carry it home and back as standard.
    1 point
  20. They must be smoking something, if they think the Met has a sterling reputation! The force who's less than sterling actions ensured that England and Wales got PACE.
    1 point
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  22. I would highly recommend not giving rescue breaths in this scenario for 2 reasons. 1. One they are violent 2. Now this is very important....they are conscious and breathing 😂😂😂 Way to go off topic though 😂
    1 point
  23. The new “IMD” document is designed for this, however my understanding is that this document must be completed in addition to the MG6 series, and prior to a charging decision .... (NGAP, and CPS charge GAP....) As per @Ether +- the entire custody record is relevant (apparently). So yes, it would be! Such files are a day’s tasking. I’ve no idea how they expect actual policing to be done, and offenders to be caught, with the latest change. But, perhaps, that’s entirely the aim ......
    1 point
  24. Was she not the Gold Command in the shooting of Jean Charles da Silva e de Menezes in 2005. Wriggled out of that enquiry. She has some Angel in power promoting her.
    1 point
  25. Yet another typical ‘Police should be seen and not heard’ scenario. Police are often vilified, despite obligations and many instances of saving life and limb - shadowed by demons treading murky waters trying to discredit the good work that happens. Typically, by people who don’t like authority or being challenged. Unfortunately, this issue is exacerbated by many, many years of woefully inadequate and inept ‘leadership’. This type of ‘direction’ promotes animosity from within and externally. Police officers are front line. They often attend when Ambulance can’t or won’t. It
    1 point
  26. I would like to know who has issued that memo in the Met as I do not think that it is a lawful direction. Police should have been on the priority list from the start and, it is a condemnation of the government that they were not. They are as front line as the NHS and Ambulance crews. Priority should have been given to all Emergency workers as they are more likely to come into contact with infected people than others. The last PM to look after the Police Service was Margaret Thatcher. In 1974 the Edmund Davies report on Police Pay and Pensions was published and the Labour Government had
    1 point
  27. This is a little bit dramatic in all fairness. The most recent published data from the MPU from 2018/19 shows that 96.4% of over 350,000 missing instances per annum in E&W do not result in any kind of harm, whether physical or emotional. The rate of fatalities of all causes is around 0.195% and that is about the same all the way back to 2011/12 data. There's no evidence I'm aware of that the introduction of the absent/no apparent risk category led to any increase in fatal outcomes. Because outcomes aren't predictable, we have basic standards of investigation in every case. I do suspe
    1 point
  28. I’m glad it won’t have to be 100% realistic. You’d be lucky enough to find one Detective investigating a misper, let alone two - being DS or A/DS. That’s slightly tongue-in-cheek and wouldn’t detract from a gritty drama type of television show, or a book. Agreed with @XA84 in the above post, with additional tools such as triangulation, cell masts and open-source. Depending on your setting of the drama, if in the current day setting, social media can be contacted for locations/logins and messages, etc. Typically this would be for ‘High Risk’, however, with appropriate authority. Als
    1 point
  29. I have a little experience having retired after 30 years and, served in two Forces. In the whole of the 30 years I never ever saw anyone acting up as Sergeant. In acting ranks I only knew of Acting Inspector's. That was grossly misused as they occasionally made someone acting Inspector prior to attaining the full rank. As a Federation official we took this up, with some success, with Command as we believed that it was a misuse tending to use it when they were not quite sure that the officer could hack it in that rank. They accepted that it was a misuse when we stress that it showed that the
    1 point
  30. Sorry yes stripe is sergeant haven’t spent any time with the locate team on my force but would be surprised if there isn’t two possibly a couple more
    1 point
  31. In my force most response teams have two stripes who will run the team. Not uncommon for one to be acting or awaiting a permanent posting
    1 point
  32. Does anyone else find it strange and false that an illegal incident takes place, there is obviously a lot a actions and yet someone just happens to start to film the incident as the officers are taking forceful action. Typical Mail and also typical of the types of people who take place in these illegal gatherings. I hope the café owners are fined £10,000.
    1 point
  33. Hi, I am a student at UCLan university and I am currently conducting a study to identify the wellbeing and fatigue of officers. I am looking to recruit police officers from England or Wales to participate in my online survey to provide information on these matters. This survey should take no longer than 10 minutes to complete. To take part you must be a current serving officer in any police force in England or Wales and over the 18 years of age. We are hoping for a large sample size and so it would be greatly appreciated if you are able to pass on the survey link to people who may wish and are
    1 point
  34. May not like the outcome but the Judge's summary seems remarkable clear and simple.
    1 point
  35. There is no evidence to support the argument that a diverse police force is wanted by communities or that it actually improves community relations. As for the supposed added bonuses they're mostly a fallacy. Let's look at them. Language, might help every now and again but for it to work regularly they need to work in a community that speaks their own language. This means asian cops work asian areas and polish cops work polish areas. Is this what the cop wants or are we treating them differentl because of their race? Yes,yes we are. Culture, what can an Asian officer offer from cultur
    1 point
  36. Always the no-win situation. The other news headline might have been 'Despite these times of great pressure on resources, officers are removed from frontline and support duties for a photo shoot and used as publicity puppets" Why do police constantly fail to do what they are meant to be so good at....... communicate? The communication conversation that you could imagine failed to occur might go along the lines of .... Press office " Hi, we are looking to use actors for our recruitment media - what do you think? NBPA: "Thats outrageous, why can't you use our officers? Press
    1 point
  37. Cost price is some fraction of the list price, probably less than a quarter. On a national contract for hundreds of vehicles it's easily possible to get a low unit price particularly when they're liveried and outfitted in-house, and BMW have had an entire subsidiary company offering competitive deals to emergency services for years. If anything you're proving my point here that cops don't understand how procurement works! The point about non-jobs could be a topic in its own right, but the long and the short of it is that the volume of demand which isn't a police matter is the reason victi
    1 point
  38. Police forces have hired more than 6,000 officers in the first year of the Government’s recruitment drive to sign up 20,000 by 2023. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/more-than-6000-police-officers-hired-in-first-year-of-recruitment-drive/ar-BB1daq9j?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds Good start to make up the numbers again to replace what T may got rid of with her cuts to the police service.👍
    1 point
  39. Which is one of the largest pools in employment?! Good. Grief.
    1 point
  40. 😂 now this is funny. Earlier you mentioned about it being unfair saying they’re using Warranted Police Officers to be PAs. You’re quite right. Senior Officers have civilian PAs in addition to their bagman or, as promoting someone for occupying different genitalia is en vogue, ‘bagwoman’. Have a look on your force intranet, or the global address book, and calculate the annual wage of the Chief Officer team. That alone will be in the millions. Then add up the costs you dismiss as “insignificance”. Then add up the promotions at the 11th hour, you rightly mention. Now multiply t
    1 point
  41. They do not need the car for work as most have an officer driving them. As for pulling over motorists well, Mike Todd did that when he came to Manchester and arrested 4 youths. There was only one problem, the car was legit and they had committed no offences. We all wondered who smoothed all that over.😉
    1 point
  42. If the public isn't obligated to give their details and there's no power for us to require them to provide, I doubt the next step is to unlawfully detain them, call them an 'idiot' and use unlawful force to put them into the back of a marked car.
    1 point
  43. The ‘cuts’ had their complexities and not as simple as people and the media make out. There’s plenty of money in Policing - the public sector has a whole, including the NHS which is often reported otherwise - but simply doesn’t have the right people with the nous or will to spend, direct and allocate resource. Often ridiculous, costly decisions are made by people who have no idea how budgeting actually works. Many reasons for it, but essentially the public sector has no one at the helm with vested interest, other than to themselves. Tea, medals, pensions and QPMs. Put any of those at ris
    1 point
  44. Google tells me that "Sarah Ormond-Walshe, senior coroner for south London, adjourned the hearing until a further date." IMHO, any comment about an officer's actions (or anyone else for that matter) would not be appropriate until after the inquest and any subsequent trial.
    1 point
  45. Specialist roles are certainly not all away from the frontline. In respect of pay, it’s been stagnant, more or less, since 2010, but as an inspector in the Met I earn over £60k a year and don’t feel particularly hard done by. A top rate PC in the Met is on just over £47k before you factor in overtime and discounted travel.
    1 point
  46. This Leon Cupra looks very smart.
    1 point
  47. Do it, but don't get sucked in to doing massive hours. Be aware you might be first on scene for something awful, you're going to spend entire shifts on bed watch. You'll Get hit, sworn at, injured and some regulars won't like you. You're going to be first on the list for scene guards too! I've been to drowings, stabbings, active DVs and bodies that have been in a chair for over a month in summer. I've had to stick my head inside a car that had rolled to check if anyone else was in it (there was) One of my SCs was with an air ambo doc as they cracked someone's ribs on the roadside.
    1 point
  48. You're welcome, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to think a post on here might have contributed to someone spending their weekend in the cells!
    1 point
  49. Okay, let's clear up.some myths about degrees and Policing: 1) Having a degree does not mean you would be useless in a scrap or smashing in doors. Conversely, not having one does not mean you would be good at it 2) A degree can include hands on skills as well as theory. How do people think doctors get qualified? Just by reading a book? 3) the critical think required to pass a degree is the same kind of critical thinking which is missing from modern day Policing.
    1 point
  50. Hello to all. I have seen alot of talk on this forum about the CNC and so I wanted to take an opportunity to spell out the truth about the CNC and try and give all those of you looking to apply a bit of information that will help you in deciding whether this is the job for you or not. I ama serving CNC officer and I know when I was applying I looked on the internet for information, but didn't find much other than what is posted on this forum, so I hope that this will help some people. The CNC have 18 sites that they man. These are spotted all over the country, with Sellafield in Cumbria, Dou
    1 point
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