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  1. 4 points
    I've seen the opposite - more and more people who shy away from conflict, or are nervous about using enough force early enough. I suspect it's partly a societal thing, attitudes to fighting particularly amongst children have changed over time and the police isn't recruiting from the same demographics it was decades ago, and partly organisational in that people are scared of complaints or being disciplined for excessive force. Talking someone who is aggressive down is great, well done to anyone with the charisma and reserve to do that, but that doesn't necessarily make someone else's different choice wrong - they might be less willing to compromise their personal safety than you, or perceive the likelihood of success differently. I expect there's a wide variation in attitudes towards force, for instance between urban and rural policing, but I have to say I find it hard to believe that in this day and age you're seeing frequent incidents of grossly excessive force on BWV and they're all swept under the carpet.
  2. 4 points
    Very easy to be critical when you weren’t there at the time of the arrest and are watching it from the safety of an office. I bet you are incredibly popular running straight to supervision, have you actually had the bottle to speak to these officers directly, certainly doesn’t sound like it.You may not be aware of the intel on the person they are dealing with or their previous violent experience with that person heightening the risk. One of my pet hates in the job is officers who run continually to management , rather than speaking to someone directly first. I was always taught if you have a problem with someone in the job, have it out with them first or you will not last. If you still have issues after that, then by all means escalate it, at least have the decency and bottle to speak to them first though.
  3. 3 points
    Hold up here... Many of these folk are entitled to a legal income but most simply refuse to engage in efforts designed to improve their lot in life. As a nation we throw money, rehabilitation, training and opportunities at folk who do not wish to change or effectively engage with the systems designed to help them. Many of the street drinkers/vagrant types I have had dealings with have had eye watering amounts of public money spent on them over the years, far more than you or I will EVER have spent on us. This is without including the additional help given to them via third party charities. One man who I have had constant dealings with for the past five years has had flat after flat given to him, been put through rehab numerous times, had a fortune spent on him courtesy of the NHS for problems directly attributed to his alcohol and drug use yet he's squandered every effort myself, the local authority, charities etc has extended to him over these years, no doubt he'll be sat in his usual spot tomorrow morning. Many people do not see it as their responsibility to provide a home or adequately feed themselves or even sustain some kind of existence... I'm sick of hearing the now repeated phrase: "The council are useless, they don't do anything to help me." Is one I hear daily from people, even somewhat abled body people who have no gumption or enthusiasm to look after themselves or manage their own lives and why should they? We've done a very good job at removing the requirement for people to take responsibility for themselves thanks to the overbearing, nannying state that seemingly seeks to further coddle people. The support net should of course be in place to help the most needy but where is the line drawn? When 65% of a local authorities entire budget (yes you did read that right) is being spent on social care services something has to be said... Just what value for money is the average tax payer seeing from their contributions?
  4. 3 points
    That is surely a Neanderthal view point. The girl may have been willing with the man she was having a holiday fling with, but 1 girl and ten men, really.I do not believe that had this happened in this country then it would have been a completely different outcome. No one would ever believe that the girl was giving consent. Women are not chattels to be picked up by men and be discarded on a whim. Society has standards even in this day and age.
  5. 2 points
    Yep. The Victorinox Rescue Tool has its place, but that is probably in a firefighter's tunic, rather than the average member of the public's car. The Resqme is more than adequate for normal use (and can be found on the tac vest of many a police officer).
  6. 2 points
    In my experience, most of the time by far that I have seen other officers using what subjectively appears to me as 'innappropriate' force (note 'innappropriate' does not automatically equal 'unlawful') it is because they are inexperienced, poorly trained, poorly equipped, scared, intimidated, enthusiastic etc, not for any malicious reason. There have been times when I have discussed this with them after when I considered it necessary. I've always tended to take the approach where I am prepared to admit that I am in the wrong based on my own unique perception of the circumstances, and I feel this is the most beneficial. One of the most beneficial things I learnt from my experience in PSU deployments was actually reading situations so I could make a better judgment of when I needed to use force and this resulted in using force less often, not more. This was far more valuable to me in general policing than the tactics.
  7. 2 points
    I'm all for a decent message being spread but flyposting stickers everywhere is excessive. What gets me with these types of campaigns is everyone knows not to carry a knife, this message doesn't need spreading at all... The message that needs to be sent ultimately is one by the criminal justice system that it will come down hard, grand piano style on such offenders. So long as that message isn't being sent out to the public, the law breaking and violence will continue.
  8. 2 points
    I don’t understand how you can be so certain in your view of this case. I can’t imagine that you have any more information than the rest of us - from the media - yet you say it is a ‘fact’ that she lied. Her solicitor was on the radio yesterday and reported that she never said she was raped by 12 men. She said she told the police there were a number of men present and when pressed several times to say how many she said, ‘Maybe 12.’ I am very much against the view of some people who mistrust foreign criminal justice systems and claim innocence and stitch ups of Brits abroad but in this case the real ‘facts’ do question the proceedings. A 19 year old girl questioned for at least 8 hours in a foreign country without any representation or support eventually says she was not raped. Her withdrawal statement has been examined by a linguistic expert who agrees that was not written by a native English speaker. She maintains that she was raped. I really can’t see how you can be so vehement in your assertion that she lied and all the youths/men involved are totally innocent victims.
  9. 2 points
    Why are private firms having to take private prosecutions for Crime. The answer is because they are being failed miserably by our Police Service. A first time offender will probably receive a Caution, a second time offender deserves to be standing in the dock to face justice in Court. The problem comes with Courts being over reluctant to sentence people appropriately. People who are fined and fail to pay should be back before the Court and sent down, if nothing else to jog their memory cells.
  10. 1 point
    Hello, There was a new(ish) role rolled out by British Red Cross recently called Community Reserve Volunteer (https://reserves.redcross.org.uk/) . Essentially the volunteer is a local person who signs up for a text alert and if and when the Red Cross send a message, the person can respond (or not) and help fill sand-bags, make tea etc. It seems different to regular volunteer/full-time staff. Has anyone come into contact with them or been called out themselves? Would be interesting to hear. fbo194. YouTube video
  11. 1 point
    I carry a resqme. Glass breaker and seatbelt cutter in one, and it fits on my keys. I was originally given the one I have on my kit belt, and it is useful for more than just seatbelts. The locking blade on its own would mske me not carry the vitorinox rescue tool.
  12. 1 point
    Yes. It is exactly the same.
  13. 1 point
    The five-step appeal is well and good in negotiation or public order contexts, but it is also time-consuming and not something most cops on the street are going to follow in full with awkward prisoners. If someone isn't walking after the first time of telling then we train arm entanglements and subject management techniques for that, and I'd try those before asking for the three or four officers it takes to lift the average person easily. Your example of with PAVA does on the information you've given sound like an unusual reaction to passive resistance, but are we in possession of all the facts? Add in a fear of spitting or headbutting and it's absolutely reasonable; if that was the case then it should've been recorded, but then there's even less training about writing up force than there is about using it and I've posted about that before. Surely all forces have processes for recording and scrutinising use of PAVA which would catch something so out of the ordinary? Human nature is to be defensive in response to criticism even over trivial things, never mind something which might risk your career. It also doesn't help if you're not on the front line and so fall into the old "office dweller" trope, no matter your background, that's just how the mindset works fair or not. That he's never been arrested for assault PC doesn't necessarily mean it's never happened though, does it? We tend not to proceed with minor skirmishes all the time, which of course is part of the reason there's so little deterrent to fighting with the police. Suggesting that someone has made something up retrospectively in their statement is a big accusation to throw around, no matter your suspicions.
  14. 1 point
    I actually had a word with an officer the other day for his use of force. The suspect was well known to us, but has never been arrested for assaulting/resisting/obstructing a PC. This cop actually wrote in their duty statement that he had prior knowledge of the suspect as a known nominal and he knew him to be violent towards cops. Obviously he was mistaken in that he was indeed a violent offender towards other members of the public, but had never recorded him as being violent towards cops. On the BWV you could see the lad was quick to act and gets hands, but was a little too eager to push the guy face first into a wall in order to stack him to the rear. Now I didn't criticise him about his perception, he obviously believed the guy would be violent so he did what he thought he had to keep himself and his colleague safe. However, I was actually a bit taken aback that when I pointed out to him that there is a clear mistake in his duty statement, his reply was "well who cares, he's a scumbag anyway"... Now that makes me wonder about this kid. Did he actually believe the guy was violent towards cops, or was he simply covering his own backside and pre-preemptively trying to excuse his actions without having to justify them in response to the suspect's actions at the time? On the NHS note, you sound a lot luckier than me. I still have a niggling in my lower back (near my sacrum) from holding on to a suspect trying to jump over a wall after a foot pursuit. This was 2 years ago, nearly 3 actually, and all the NHS did was offer me physio appointments once every 3-6 months to see if I was feeling better... Apparently they assessed it as a 'mechanical' issue and not a nerve issue (which was good news, I'd hate to have gotten a slipped disk or sciatica).
  15. 1 point
    Exactly in this case there was enough intel and behavioural cues to justify handcuffing as soon as his medical treatment was completed. Still on a positive note the local NHS have been great about it.
  16. 1 point
    I've had that as well. I got bitten and spat on because of someone who too afraid to get physical with a suspect. But despite my own personal injuries, I would never advocate carte blanche force from cops on the off chance that they might kick off. We know there ares risks in this job, it is our duty to access them and act accordingly.
  17. 1 point
    If everyone agreed life would be very boring and thank you for a reasoned debate. I have privately challenged colleagues in the past and we have had discussions about an incident. I have always received from them information that I hadn’t been aware of or relevant intel justifying they took that course of action. To be fair I was referring to the comment about not daring to challenge someone to a stand up fight. I have nothing to prove I have always been the same with people on or off duty, with or without Ppe. I can see where that point was coming from though.
  18. 1 point
    "My issue is with those who don’t challenge their colleagues directly. " And I appreciate that. But I can't say I have ever come across a cop that I have seen behave inappropriately (even criminally) EVER accept any form of 'review' or criticism from another PC. They have all acted indignant and tell me if I have an issue, to take it up with supervision. "I have no issues with standing up to anyone but thanks for the insult." I wasn't insulting you, I was merely pointing out the irony of you accusing me of behaviour you were so clearly exhibiting yourself. In the end, part of the responsibility and honour of this job, is to challenge any inappropriate behaviour. You can argue the merits of my perception as to what constitutes inappropriate, but I think most people would agree that using PAVA on a handcuffed suspect who has offered no violence to anyone, simply because they won't walk, or stand up for you, is excessive and wrong.
  19. 1 point
    Interesting about the shying away from the use of force. Currently have a bad back from someone trying to talk someone down rather than handcuffing them when they had the opportunity.
  20. 1 point
    To be honest I rarely use force and generally don’t have to . Your original post did leave out the fact that you had spoken to them about it which is a rather crucial bit of information. My issue is with those who don’t challenge their colleagues directly. Considering I have survived a serious assault earlier in my career, followed by PTSD and cancer , getting myself back to full fitness whilst training Thai boxing, kickboxing , systema and Krav Maga , I have no issues with standing up to anyone but thanks for the insult. I mainly work alone as well so again I have no problem dealing with incidents by myself on or off but hey. Ultimately you are criticising those officers it is down to them to justify their use of force at court. If you had challenged me I would have said here’s my statement, here’s my pocket book , ask me anything you like and I have done this in the past . Hence why in over 20 years of policing I have had no upheld complaints and very few complaints overall.
  21. 1 point
    You 'll be surprised t hear that I HAVE spoken to these officers and their excuses are the same as yours 'you weren't there so you don't get to comment'. I'll turn the tables here for a second and redirect that mentality towards you. I LOVE it when someone who hasn't viewed the BWV of a cop grabbing a HANDCUFFED person from the throat, putting them in a headlock, slamming them to the ground and then using PAVA on them, simply for refusing to walk to the car/van. You sound like the nightmare cop that feels the uniform entitles you to take out all of your own personal miseries and frustrations out on people whom you would never dream of challenging to stand up fight... How's that for a bit of your own 'armchair psychology' directed back at you?
  22. 1 point
    At least he was trying to do something positive, maybe out of frustrations. If he saved one life it would be worth it. It is clear that the whole community is being let down by the sentences handed out by the courts.His actions seem to be more than the Mayor of London.
  23. 1 point
    Hi SF. I've never used the Blackstones so I can't comment beyond what I have already posted other to say that at the moment whichever ones you are using should be used to as a knowledge check at the moment i.e. don't do mock exams until much closer to the exam. At some point you'll need to get used to having 67 seconds to read and answer the question but at the moment you need to make sure that the knowledge is sinking in. Good luck.
  24. 1 point
    To be fair I didn't know that and if true is rather worrying.
  25. 1 point
  26. 1 point
    You are missing my point, I'm not saying that she wasn't raped. I'm telling you that it's a dangerous precedent to attempt to adduce evidence of a person's 'morals' to prove or disprove sexual offences. We already have appropriate legislation in our own judicial system that protects victims of serious sexual offences from becoming further victimised. It's hypocritical and not in the interests of justice to not afford the same protection to persons accused.
  27. 1 point
    Police Control Room Operator. Some do understand, but some don't.
  28. 1 point
    I don't disagree. However there are a good number of the regular clients who have no interest, and they will commit low level offences with the knowledge they're going to just get a fine if caught, one that they'll just not pay or they'll have to pay at a tiny amount per week/month if ever. One of the biggest culture shocks I've seen was a new SC I was training who heard the "xxx hundred on record" words when we were dealing with someone. She couldn't understand why someone just didn't take the help they could get. She's a bit 'posh' and never believed these types of people existed. I grew up 'on the estate' so these people are something I've seen since I was a kid (and dealt with former neighbours too), and I worked out they just don't want to change their lot in life.
  29. 1 point
    That seems a rather reductive way of looking at things. Let's say the whole process (police investigation, court etc) costs GBP 500. Does that mean you wouldn't prosecute anyone who steals goods to the value of less than 500? Or that you would only prosecute first-time offenders because it would not change the behaviour of an experienced criminal? There's a popular saying here that a stolen car is (in monetary or judicial terms) simply a 'chocolate bar on wheels' and it therefore makes no sense to pursue stolen cars. I don't agree with this, and I don't think you do either. The fact is that the whole judicial process costs 'a stack of money' and while there are things that can be done to improve it, it will never be 'profitable'.
  30. 1 point
    I always liked the hi-leg DMS for shining up, but general wear they were awful junk.
  31. 1 point
    Only for those offences which require the DPP's consent, and a few other specified examples such as obscene publications offences or extradition proceedings. There's no duty to inform the CPS about a private prosecution.
  32. 1 point
    If the system allows them to do it, then why not. The courts are not the sole domain of policing.
  33. 1 point
    We 've actually got a thread on here about this particular issue. You 'll find that plenty share your thoughts and frustrations.
  34. 1 point
    Horrendous boots, uncomfortable, heavy, don’t dry quickly.
  35. 1 point
    I am so glad that you have enlightened us by your intimate knowledge of the case. Just look at the basics, 1 female 12 males with drink involved. In our Judicial system I would like to think that the case would have been investigated properly. Interviewing a female for 8 hours, without representation and without a break, something is drastically wrong.
  36. 1 point
    Having worked in Cyprus I’m not shocked, their legal system is a sham and police on par with the Iraq or Afghan Police.
  37. 1 point
    I have 3 olight torches now. They have regular sales, even sent me a free keyring torch (UV) because I had an account. Several years in and they seem reliable, Rechargeable and robust. Worth a look
  38. 1 point
    They appeared to be doing jobs that they were paid to do, so what. There are over 120,000 officers who do the same, day in, day out, covering 24 hours a day, sacrificing family time, personal safety and health to do it. Perhaps these three honoured have seen and dealt with an angry and irrational person but, more like they have not.
  39. 1 point
    Well this is an awful system. Border Force haven't provided me with an MG11 or exhibited photos of the knife. They also won't send the knife to me, as they consider that to be an offence. Instead they want me to attend Heathrow to collect the knife. A 200 mile journey. So right now I don't actually have any evidence. Just a form that has been half filled out by an unknown BF Officer. Well this is getting filed pretty quick! Even if they do provide me with the required evidence, it's still not gonna be in the public interest to pursue. 1 shift collecting the knife, second shift locating and interviewing the suspect and a third shift preparing a case file for court. So a total of 30 hours of response cop time just to get the job rejected by CPS. What's the point? More proportionate to just visit the suspect and tell them to stop buying dodgy gear on Wish.com!
  40. 1 point
    This is an irritation to me. Why do the police/anyone get accused of victim blaming when it’s about sexual offences and women? If ‘the police’ put out a message not to leave your car with the keys in the ignition or don’t leave your wallet with £500 inside on the table in the pub because they might get nicked no one would shout ‘don’t blame the victim’. As much as a young woman should be able to walk scantily dresses anywhere they like at any time without being attacked so should a man be able to leave his iPhone 12 on a park bench and still find it there when he gets back from feeding the ducks. Why is giving crime prevention advice to both people seen as victim blaming in one case and sound advice in the other?
  41. 1 point
    No, it is not permitted on this forum and applicants shouldn’t be sharing the AC exercises because it defeats the purpose of the AC. If you have done an AC already then you will know what to expect.
  42. 1 point
    Initial will be fine: Just do the research! know the force structure, values, things you might be doing etc. I was not thoroughly prepared and lost my track on a few of the questions. For the A/C I made a spreadsheet with a positive, negative, and backup answer for each competency (each split into STAR). I found writing them out, editing them etc really helped me remember all the detail I wanted to get across to hit all the points in the descriptors.
  43. 1 point
    If it helps, I seriously considered resigning early on in my career; I just wasn't enjoying where I was working. I will say that I'm glad I didn't though; I now work in a role where I'm consistently happy to go to work. Sometimes it genuinely isn't for you, and it takes a lot of courage to come to that conclusion and actually leave after putting in the effort to get here, but you really should do everything you can to help before you throw in the towel. Speak to people.
  44. 1 point
    I think a lot of people are in the same boat at the moment. Not every force will be the same, but I suspect quite a few will be suffering. It all comes down to a lack of resources/lack of money. You need to speak to someone about it, the situation needs to change. Perhaps having response officers holding crimes and investigations is inherently flawed - if there's never a Q time to do the paperwork etc.
  45. 1 point
    I'd echo what others have said. The job hasn't paid loads of money and put you through Training School only to decide to wash its hands of you if you are struggling to get to terms with some areas. They'll actively be looking to support you at this early stage of your career. If you get no joy with your tutor, then speak with the sergeant who looks after the tutor team, or one of your initial trainers back in Training School. If you're a member, then you might find that a Fed Rep is a sympathetic listener perhaps? They'll be only too aware of the impact of people's workloads.
  46. 1 point
    I can guarantee you are not the first person to think this way. I can also guarantee that many of the people replying to your post will, at some time, have felt the same and felt like chucking it in. I know I certainly did. You wouldn’t be human if at some point you didn’t feel it was not for you or out of your depth. What I can say is that it will click. Don’t give up and you are probably doing way better than you think. Like others have said, speak to your supervisor. I went to mine with a personal issue not longer after being out of probation and it was the best thing I did at that time. The job will support you. Good luck. Speak to someone.
  47. 1 point
    Not one person walks into this job and immediately feels belonging, immediately knows what they are talking about, and immediately feels comfortable. This job will push you and challenge you. Every single probationer has a difficult period to go through, as others have said, you aren’t alone. Speak to your tutor and your supervisor. Speak to other probationers. Speak to job friends and speak to your partner. There’s no shame in it, and if you’re going to stay in the job then you need to open up about things because it’s not healthy to keep everything to yourself. You got all the way here, take the time to speak to other people and assess what the best choice is for you.
  48. 0 points
    A female Judge! very chauvinistic again. The Judge passed the sentence and said that she felt that he should never be released after the 30 years and that he could not be released without authorisation by the Parole Board. The sentence was a whole life sentence with a minimum recommendation of 30 years. His apartment was on the edge of the Gay Village, running oaralel with Canal Street where he preyed on males, irrespective of whether they were Gay or Straight.
  49. 0 points
    TWO cops romped in a patrol car while on duty and dressed in full uniform, a misconduct hearing heard today. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10684477/police-sex-act-patrol-car-wales/
  50. 0 points
    What a strange conclusion. By the same token the Theft Act 1968 should never have been adopted because you can’t compare Larceny Act dishonesty offences with Theft Act ones. Or the Sexual Offences Act 2003 shouldn’t have been introduced because you can’t compare sexual offences post 2003 with those recorded previously under the 1956 (and other) Act. Equally the Home Office Counting Rules should never have been updated in 1998 because direct comparisons couldn’t be made with the ‘old’ Rules. With your argument no legislation or rules should ever change because that alters things and so comparisons cannot be made.
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