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  1. This dramatic video shows the moment a police officer smashes a car windscreen after a driver refuses to get out of his vehicle. Full Story - Mirror This video is doing the rounds on social media, many people including Lee Jasper using it as a propaganda video for their own agenda. Many people trying to imply the officers are behaviour is racist, not sure how that is? Buzzfeed are trying to find the driver to make an article about it.
  2. Charlie 1988

    Initial Interview Jackton

    Hi there new to this forum. I have my initial interview in 3 weeks and wondered if anyone else does? This is my second time around and feedback from last one was I went off track and blabbered on my scenarios but job knowledge was good. Any tips for this time would be great? I take it some scenarios can be from a sport or life event not just work related ? Thanks 🙂
  3. Zach Embleton

    Vauxhall Omega

    what did everyone think of the Vauxhall Omega's used by several forces during the 1990s and 2000s
  4. Roberto1981

    Going to local Police Station

    Hello I'm just wondering about people's experience about going to their local station to speak to a probationer.Did you find you had to go back at a more suitable time? How long roughly should you speak to them for and do you take notes whilst talking? Cheers.
  5. I was reading the other day about the plans being put in place by most if not all Home Office forces and some non home office forces for how they plan to deal with future recruitment of new staff and their educational standards. If I understand if correctly they are now proposing that those who are not educated to a degree level will be required to undertake a 3 apprenticeship in which they will Join as a constable, and follow an apprenticeship in professional policing practice - earning whilst they learn. The route is said to normally take three years with both on and off-the-job learning. On successfully finishing the programme, they will complete your probation and achieve a degree. Alternatively if you have a degree in any subject, you can join and follow a work-based programme, supported by off-the-job learning. This route normally takes two years, and the learning you have undergone is recognised in a graduate diploma in professional policing practice when you complete your probation. The third option being If you want to study first, you can do a three year degree in professional policing at your own expense, and then apply to a force and follow a shorter on-the-job training programme. Being a special constable can be included in this route. More information about how it's all planned out can be found here: https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/Learning/Policing-Education-Qualifications-Framework/Entry-routes-for-police-constables/Pages/Entry-routes-for-police-constables.aspx I'm told that once this is off the ground and it's 'working well' then there is even plans to role it out for specials, PCSO's and even Police Staff roles! My question is what are everyone's thoughts on this, do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing?
  6. A teenager has been locked up after assaulting two police officers who found him with a hunting knife during a stop and search operation at a London Tube station. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7119081/Teenager-assaulted-two-police-officers-caught-hunting-knife-stop-search.html
  7. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7105715/Defence-Secretary-wants-troops-streets-tackle-knife-crime-mentoring-youths.html The Defence Secretary wants Military troops on the streets to tackle knife crime. Don’t we already employ people specifically Engage with the population in relation to crime? Hmmmm Smoke and mirrors
  8. Minnie1545926337


    I was diagnosed with ptsd last year. The trauma is not work related. I am currently off work and heading towards no pay.Both medication and counselling has not worked for me. I am pinning my hope on some therapy that is due to start soon. my question is what happens if this doesn’t work? I would have then exhausted every treatment option. My gp has indicated I’m not fit for policing anymore and I’m scared I will be off work on no pay and forgotten about because I’m costing nothing. Can work keep me on no pay forever? I had never anticipated to be on long term sick. thanks in advance
  9. Rick29


    Hey Guys, I'm new to the forum i just have a quick question, i have recently passed day 2 with the met but need to send proof of my qualifications which i have only recently passed, and will take 8 weeks to receive the certificate do you think a proof of pass email will be sufficient in the meantime? Thanks
  10. Raw Blues - 1999 Training at Hendon. PC recruits starting out in Hendon! Major observational documentary series following new recruits from police training at Hendon Police college to the gritty reality of policing the streets of London. The programme follows the progress of a group of new recruits from their arrival at the Met's Training School at Hendon in October 1999, until they start work on the streets just 18 weeks later. Twenty-Four year-old Clare Keating was treated so well by police when she was arrested as a youngster that she's decided she wants to join up herself. "I know I cant change everybody's image of the police on my own", says Clare, "but if I can change one person's perception I will be happy." Clare's fellow classmates include Mike Walsh, who has a degree from one of Britain's top Universities; 23-year-old Mancunian Craig Jones; and Harrinder Bubbra, from Leeds, who doesn't believe what he reads in the papers about the Met, although his parents aren't so sure. "Anybody from an Asian background will know that all your parents ever want you to be is a doctor, a lawyer or a solicitor," says Harrinder. "The last thing they want you to be is a police officer." It's a tough course and the recruits face an overwhelming workload and strict discipline at the training school. "We're not training people to work in a supermarket," says Commander Cullen who's in charge of training at Hendon. "They have a huge responsibility which no other person in society has... and that is a heavy weight on any young person's shoulders." Series Playlist - (Videos; 3-1 / 3-2 are missing) http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xomt4_MrJizzel_raw-blues/1#video=x2aor4 Clare Keating (Clare Keating is now Network Planning Manager in Martin and Co private company) Mike Walsh (Mike is Chief Inspector Patrol at Islington) CAMDEN POLICE MONTHLY - November 2010, Issue 11 http://www.bamestate.co.uk/page6/Camden%20Police%20Monthly%20Issue%2011.pdf Craig Jones - (Far as I know and what's been said, he's still in) Harrinder Bubbra (Harrinder transferred back home to Manchester where he is still serving) A great little insight to see what it was like training as a Police Constable at Hendon Police College!
  11. Stephen Maize

    My viewpoints

    Well it realistically would depend on the circumstances, simply saying its illegal could be incorrect in certain circumstances, however such an occurrence would be exceptionally rare.  Whats the obsession with this topic? Dear Funkywingnut, What is the obsession? first I’m an American, I’m surrounded by American gun culture. You said, Well it realistically would depend on the circumstances, simply saying its illegal could be incorrect in certain circumstances, however such an occurrence would be exceptionally rare. You said: Well it realistically would depend on the circumstances, simply saying its illegal could be incorrect in certain circumstances, however such an occurrence would be exceptionally rare. which is true. You do have the right to defend yourself in your home and on the street.  luckily, riots are very rare. Riots are a break down in law and order. can people carry a weapon during riots to protect oneself? Yes, but I must admit it can be difficult to see who the bad guy is or the good guy is if one is carrying. What is reasonable excuse? Police would have a difficult time knowing a rioter from a law abiding person. I understand you can’t chase a person down the street for threatening you even in a riot as a bbc website says. That is correct. I’m glad that Britain (England and Wales) does not allow people to carry weapons for self defence. I wish America was more like Britain. If such a law was proposed in the United States, I would support it wholeheartedly. If I had a choice I would move to Britain, there I wouldn’t have to worry or wonder if someone is carrying a gun. Which, to me is waste of time. It’s stupid to carry a weapon for self defence. You are more likely to get killed. I must say, outside of riots. In times of peace, If someone was arrested for carrying a weapon for fear of being attacked or just carrying a weapon, I wouldn’t feel sympathetic in the slightest. Remember, I don’t support people carrying weapons for self defence. i hope I have made this clear. im sorry if I caused you any trouble. All I wanted was to explain my beliefs. We all make mistakes, we are all human. Can we shake hands? And forgive each Other? No hard feelings?  Sincerely, Stephen Maize his response was Stephen, Having worked with Americans quite a bit, I am well aware of the differences in approach, sarcasm, humour and interpretation. For example the use of sarcasm in the UK along with expletives is extremely common, as are rhetorical comments. The US approach is a very literal one, which is quite different to that of the UK. Now I’m not criticising either it’s just an observation. This is a UK based forum, therefore the approach and language used is consistent with that. If I have given the impression that this is somehow personal, please accept my apologies, I am a Police Officer, I never take anything personal. We haven’t had a falling out, we just have different opinions, and that’s fine, it sparks debate after all. Self defence in the UK is worlds apart than that of the US, the UK has far more in common with other European countries than the US in the respect of law and order. I am content to discuss this with anyone, but my experience tells me that reading case law alone will not give you the full answer. Again, please do not consider us as enemies, we are simply debating.  Hope your are well so so there is no hard feelings between us and understanding that the us view uk view are worlds apart I understand that all the police are trying to do is help me in my understanding
  12. Stephen Maize

    Police Recorded Crime

    The National Crime Recording Standard artificially increase crime when it was introduced in 2002. Violence against the person increased from 502,000 in 1998/99 to 845,000 in 2004. was it an artificial increase? Americans tend to say that the Firearms Act 1997 increased crime and that banned pistols increased it. Police targeting gang activity might have increased crime. Do you think the increased crime rate is police targeting gangs during this time? Without the introduction of the National Crime Recording Standard, the crime rate would probably have shown falls rather than increases. this is my interpretation. I had to take out harassment and religious/racial harassment which didn’t become a crime until 1998. The NCRS artificially increased violence against the person by 23%. The Home Office estimated the first year of NCRS, the total would have been 545,731 without it. The NCRS increases against what it would have been for 2003/04 and beyond is beset with difficulties. If it wasn’t for the NCRS, police recorded crime probably would have been closer to my estimates. violence against the person 2002 without NCRS -23% 545731-33,002 512729 population 52602143 974.7 0.9% 2003/04 615420-40522 574898 2004/05 651168-52117 599051 2005/06 594093-57192 536901 2006/07 521659-58120 463509 2007/08 425918-54531 371387 2008/09 351661-50758 300903 2009/10 296660-55329 241331 2010/11 229756-53144 176612 2011/12 166324-49766 116558 2012/13 111800-56032 55768 98.5 0.09% 2013/14 58874 2014/15 72190 2015/16 95896 2016/17 114036 194.1 0.1%-0.2%
  13. Cathedral Bobby

    Personal Safety Training

    Looking at the number concerns raised around the quality/quantity of PST I start to wonder what is actually being delivered by different forces. Within the cathedral constabularies we receive two full days annually of PST, which generally covers unarmed techniques, rigid handcuffs and tactical baton training. Although these are repeated on every occasion they occasionally include cell/vehicle extraction (not that we have any), leg restraints etc. We do not have PAVA so don't cover this. We also have a written knowledge check test which must be passed along with competency assessment. We receive separate first aid training so this does not form part of PST. From some Home Office force colleagues I have spoken to it appears some officers only get one day annual refresher and in one force this includes first aid. Now the quality of instruction we receive is excellent, however, I think two days annually is insufficient, never mind one. I just wondered what the picture was nationally, and if officers are receiving only one day training annually isn't it any wonder injuries to officers are sky high. I know some posters are PST instructors so I would particularly welcome hearing from them.
  14. I'm not sure what to make of this... Who would have locked him up? had any laws been broken? Who would just ask him to walk away?
  15. Cathedral Bobby

    Working alone left me with PTSD

    A Cleveland officer has reported how staff shortages and working alone has left him with PTSD after tackling a person armed with a knife. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47212662 I think he is only the tip of the iceberg.
  16. Firstly I would just like to express that I fully respect Police Officers of this country for having the courage and the determination of putting their own lives on the line (I certainly wouldn't have the balls to do that) to attempt to prevent causalities and put a stop to the people who are causing harm to others. The points and the keyword where I see it as a issue though is; - Suspect (A suspect is a suspect, however that doesn't mean that person has definitely done something wrong) - So you could be potentially chasing a suspect that hasn't actually done anything wrong. I'm going to explain a scenario to help people understand what I mean exactly. The issue is if a Police Officer has witnessed someone speeding in this example I am going to use going 35mph in a 30mph zone according to his speed gun, the Police Officer operating that speed gun is likely going to take chase and stop the speeding vehicle and ask for ID and apply points onto his licence. (This isn't where the problem is just yet). Usually people will stop and accept the points etc, but there's a few individuals that don't listen and don't stop and there's those that don't want to lose their licence as maybe they already have a lot of points etc... So they see blue flashing lights and decide to get away (Here's the problem if a "Suspect" shows signs of getting away after blue flashing lights are behind them, the Police Officer has caused them to do that if it's through been scared or fear. In turn because the Police Officer has took chase and put his lights on a suspect is going to try and get away if he doesn't want to be caught. (They may use techniques such as Going on the opposite side of the road, Going through Red Lights, Speeding, Throwing objects in a attempt to distract the Police Officer it's a never ending list of what a suspect can do). Now here's the problem can the suspect really be held responsible for their actions when the suspect has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't want to stop and the Police Officer has took no notice of that and seen that he's driving recklessly and still chased causing the suspect to drive even more recklessly and maybe result in a person crossing the road's death. I see it completely as the Police Officers fault as the Police Officer caused the suspect to drive recklessly, if the suspect was driving perfectly normal at 35mph and only acted recklessly when the Police Officer made himself visible I.E through sirens, flashing blue lights that's completely the Police Officers fault. Then there's a completely different side of this as I said above a Suspect is a Suspect until proven guilty a speed gun isn't proof that someone was speeding it maybe in the eyes of the law, but I would certainly argue that a picture and a video should be required as it could be wrongly calibrated, pointed at the wrong vehicle etc.. I believe there's infinite reasons and scenarios where technology can fail, there's also a matter of what's right and what is wrong. As a example in England it's illegal to eat a Dog but in China it's legal, but who's right? Is china right and we're cruel to keep dogs for domestic purposes or are the Chinese right for ending the suffering of a dog in captivity - (Domestic)? I'm not saying that you shouldn't pursuit the person, nor am I saying i'm Anti-Police. I'm more saying I strongly believe there's other "Safer" methods should be used such as; GPS Tracking (Darts - that penetrate the vehicle and stick into it) which would result in a better outcome statistically rather than causing causalities.
  17. Two people have been sentenced after nearly crushing a police officer with a car while trying to steal a cash machine. The ATM was dragged out of a Co-op store in Kessingland, Suffolk, on 10 September 2018, and attached to the back of a car which was later driven at police officers as they tried to escape. Det Insp Matt Adams, from Suffolk Police, said they were lucky to avoid injury with the car "almost crushing one officer". Jack Morgan, 21, of Common Road, Potton, was sentenced to five years in prison at Cambridge Crown Court for charges of burglary, theft of a motor vehicle and attempted theft of a motor vehicle. A 17-year-old boy from the Bedford area was previously sentenced at the court, where he received a detention and training order.
  18. Thousands of police officers and civilian staff have never undergone stricter criminal record and background checks, despite the fact that they were introduced in 2006, the BBC has found. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47073883
  19. Seen a lot of bike PCSO working in Soho in the last couple days and I've noticed they're wearing white traffic caps. Are they actually traffic trained and passed the exam? If anyone could shed some light, be really interesting to find out more and their role.
  20. ASCO

    What is ASCO currently working on?

    Our work Training standards ASCCO (ASCO’s predecessor) agreed national training standards for basic training for the Special Constabulary and the level required to achieve Independent Patrol Status (IPS) as part of the first National Strategy for the Special Constabulary:http://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/Support/Citizens/Special-Constabulary/Documents/SC_Strategy_2011-16.pdf Our standard is IL4SC and we recommended this to all Forces. What’s happening now? There is still variation across the country with some forces achieving the standards and others failing to provide the basic curriculum. The planned Professional Educational Qualifications Framework (PEQF) which is being developed by the College of Policing will see substantial changes in approaches to training standards and approaches for regular officers – including graduate entry, graduate apprenticeships and work-placed assessment. We challenged the College on their suggestion that Special Constables would not need to achieve the same standards. The NPCC supported us in that position. The result is that Special Constables will have to reach the same standards as regular officers. We are now working with the College to work out how the Special Constabulary fit within these new requirements. Our policy position: we want to see all forces maintaining agreed training standards (IL4SC) for Special Constabulary officers while new national standards are being developed. We believe that all Special Constables should be supported to achieve the same standards as regular officers. Access to training ASCCO represented the Special Constabulary in the College of Policing Leadership Review resulting in the College policy that all training should be available to Special Constables as well as regular officers – regardless of rank – provided there is an appropriate business case for this. It has even been accepted that Special Constables can apply for the Strategic Command Course that prepares regular senior officers and police staff for appointments of Assistant Chief Constable or Assistant Chief Officer and above. The course is currently a full-time commitment for 4-6 months and we are keen to put forward appropriate candidates to both test the agreement and give recognition to the skills and value offered by the Special Constabulary. There is currently considerable national variation in the way that Special Constables are trained and deployed. Some forces put Special Constables into Neighbourhood Policing and don’t allow them to do response work. Others utilize Special Constabulary primarily on response. Some train to Public Order Level II standards and deploy in that role while others deploy without training to this standard. An increasing number of forces are now being more imaginative and using the skills of Special Constables in investigation, cyber-crime and economic crime or in other specialist roles like Mounted policing or marine units. We believe that the police service would be enriched by greater access by Special Constables to the variety of roles in which they have been shown to have a positive impact. We have written formally to the College of Policing CEO to ask that the College set standards and training requirements across Special Constabulary ranks. The power for the College to do this was written in to the Policing and Crime Act 2017 because of our lobbying with the Home Office and Policing Minister. Our policy position: we want the College of Policing to set standards and training requirements across Special Constabulary ranks as they for regular police ranks to ensure Special Constables have the opportunity to demonstrate they can achieve the same standards as regular officers and have access to training to support them to do so. Taser We have challenged the decision of the Professional Committee not to give Special Constables Tasers and have encouraged the NPCC to review their approach. Chief Constables will vote in July on whether Special Constables should be trained and equipped with Taser if they want that and it’s appropriate to their role. Our policy position: Special Constables deployed to roles in which regular officers would be equipped with Taser should have access to appropriate training and equipment to be similarly equipped and protected to regular colleagues Rank Structure National surveys of attrition of the Special Constabulary demonstrate that a Special Constabulary rank structure is critical to maintaining the supervision and support that enables and encourages Special Constables to give their free time to policing. However, forces regularly question the need for these structures. We work to emphasise the importance of a Special Constabulary rank structure in national standards development. We also work with individual forces to spread our experience of what works to retain and support volunteers. For example, we recently met with a DCC in a force that did not have a rank structure which resulted in a change in approach and a new rank structure being implemented. We were also asked to support the Met Special Constabulary when a publicly available report recommended that ranks be removed. We assisted the Chief Officer to prepare a rebuttal to the findings of that report, which was then reported by Police Oracle. We then drafted the recommended roles for each rank and that was used to get agreement to retain the rank structure. Our policy position: we want all forces to adopt and support a Special Constabulary rank structure that provides effective leadership to the Special Constabulary and helps Special Constables to feel valued and supported Well-being We signed up to the Mind Blue Light mental health campaign. Equality and diversity In the first national benchmarking exercise 14% of SCs left the service because they felt discriminated against. We want to maximise the contribution that people of all backgrounds and communities can bring to the police service to create a wider service that is genuinely representative, accountable and legitimate. Our priorities Increase diversity of our membership to ensure we are representing all Special Constables to contribute to the service and maximising the potential to increase wider diversity within the service. · We will increase our understanding of the experience of Special Constables who are minorities within the service (in particular we lack information about the experience of disabled SCs - research, exit interview process) · We will seek the views of diverse groups in our contribution to national strategy and policy (develop diversity network / forum) · We will work to reduce differential attrition rates of minority groups within the Special Constabulary · We will work to increase representation of Special Constables from diverse backgrounds in leadership positions · We will work with others to develop welfare support arrangements for Special Constables experiencing discrimination Enabling factors – rank structure, standardized promotions processes, We are supporting the ‘He for She’ campaign for gender equality
  21. A police officer was allegedly sexually assaulted by a man she was trying to arrest on suspicion of attempted rape, South Yorkshire Police said. The officer and a colleague were also hit with a wooden sign after they were called to investigate an incident in Scotland Street, Sheffield, on Friday. A man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted rape, assault, sexual assault, and criminal damage. He remains in police custody, a force spokesperson said. Ch Insp Lydia Lynskey said the officers, one of whom was left severely bruised, had shown "immense bravery" in dealing with "a dangerous and violent situation". Both officers are recovering at home, she added. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-43933664
  22. A bouncer at a private party in London's exclusive Mayfair district was knifed to death as 2019 got off to a bloody start in the capital. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6544109/Woman-shot-gunman-opens-fire-inside-nightclub.html
  23. Leonalia

    West Midlands Special Recruitment 208

    Hi all! Hoping someone may be able to advise! I have been looking for details of the stages involved in Specials Selection at West Midlands in 2018. So far I have completed: • Online application • Specials Online assessment (Video interview & online values based assessment Have also been offered a combined appointment for fitness testing, biometric testing and photo in the new year. I would really appreciate any advice as to where I currently am in the process (what’s left!)? Are there further assessments or is this now at pre-offer checks? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
  24. SnowBall

    MOD Police transfers 2019

    Has anyone heard anything about whether MOD police will open up transfers again in the near future? Understand this is a bit of a crystal ball question but I know on a sister forum you have a member MDPREC whom may peruse this forum under a different username. JD

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