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  1. Prior to the National Crime Recording Standard adoption in 2002, a few police forces adopted the standard. Pre NCRS Violence against the person using the old rules in 1997, it was 230,756. I had to remove the categories of Racially or religiously aggravated common assault,common assault (includes some minor injury),Cruelty to and neglect of children,Racially or religiously aggravated harassment,and Harassment to make it compatible with pre NCRS Violence against the person. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116649/rec-crime-1898-2002.xls https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/445662/rec-crime-2003-2015.ods For 2002, the Pre Standard number was 545,731 Violence against the person. By the way, 2002 would have been the last year numbers could be done according to the old standard. I read somewhere In a document that starting in 2003, it was stated that it was now very difficult to separate and compare numbers to the old standard. According to the Crime in England and Wales 2001/02 on page 75, is stated that according to the pre NCRS standard it was 570,876. Not 650,000 according to the standard. http://library.college.police.uk/docs/hordsolr/rdsolr3203.pdf The 2003-2015 document has pushed minor injury with common assaults into less serious woundings. Numbers using the old categories pre NCRS for Violence against the person 256,070 1997 230,756 1998 (old rules) 224,340 1998 (new rules) 232,368 1999 228,198 2000 241,554 2001 West Midlands adopted the NCRS in 1999. Staffordshire adopted the NCRS in 1999. Avon and Somerset adopted the NCRS in 2000. Lancashire adopted the NCRS in 2000. Kent adopted the NCRS in 2000. West Mercia adopted the NCRS in 2001. North Wales adopted the NCRS in 2001. Cumbria adopted in NCRS in 2001. The rest of the police forces adopted it in 2002. I feel that the NCRS should have never been adopted because you cannot compare the pre NCRS old standard with the NCRS. Now the police have to record crimes regardless if the crime occurred or not, merely because the “victim” has said the crime has occurred. We really need to scrap the NCRS.
  2. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/drifting-investigations-lost-safeguarding-cases-17128542 GMP are holding an urgent investigation into Computer failures creating a massive backlog of Crime reports and outstanding tasks. It is reported that there is a backlog of 42,000 Crime and other reports. They are holding the enquiry because of an HMIC's visit due in early November.
  3. Stephen Maize

    Police Recorded Crime

    The National Crime Recording Standard artificially increase crime when it was introduced in 2002. Violence against the person increased from 502,000 in 1998/99 to 845,000 in 2004. was it an artificial increase? Americans tend to say that the Firearms Act 1997 increased crime and that banned pistols increased it. Police targeting gang activity might have increased crime. Do you think the increased crime rate is police targeting gangs during this time? Without the introduction of the National Crime Recording Standard, the crime rate would probably have shown falls rather than increases. this is my interpretation. I had to take out harassment and religious/racial harassment which didn’t become a crime until 1998. The NCRS artificially increased violence against the person by 23%. The Home Office estimated the first year of NCRS, the total would have been 545,731 without it. The NCRS increases against what it would have been for 2003/04 and beyond is beset with difficulties. If it wasn’t for the NCRS, police recorded crime probably would have been closer to my estimates. violence against the person 2002 without NCRS -23% 545731-33,002 512729 population 52602143 974.7 0.9% 2003/04 615420-40522 574898 2004/05 651168-52117 599051 2005/06 594093-57192 536901 2006/07 521659-58120 463509 2007/08 425918-54531 371387 2008/09 351661-50758 300903 2009/10 296660-55329 241331 2010/11 229756-53144 176612 2011/12 166324-49766 116558 2012/13 111800-56032 55768 98.5 0.09% 2013/14 58874 2014/15 72190 2015/16 95896 2016/17 114036 194.1 0.1%-0.2%
  4. MPotter

    Well known man/woman

    You notice a man/woman in the course of your patrols who is well known to your local force (for previous offending) and is now carrying out a protest about an unrelated matter. His mode of protest is to chant a number of slogans, which do not constitute criminal offences. How do you react?
  5. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5221021/bungling-cops-blasted-for-failing-to-id-suspected-crooks-in-half-of-crimes-reported-to-them/#comments I was just reading this article. Seems another slow news period so pick out a police bashing story. Certainly an award there for the worst headline ever written. If you would like your blood pressure to increase massively have a read, particularly the comments from the Tory MP Alec Brigden. I like the bit about the public lobbying police and crime commissioners to get the policing they deserve.
  6. After sustained period of cuts, the APCC fears funding shortfall may lead to rise in crime, hurting police and state legitimacy https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/29/england-and-wales-police-in-need-of-13bn-to-tackle-and-terrorism?CMP=twt_gu
  7. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41677046 This is being reported across a lot of the papers and news programmes. Difficult reading again for chiefs and the government. Surely it is becoming harder and harder for them to keep their heads buried in the sand particularly when we are talking about rises in violent crime, knife crime and serious offences such as murders. This linked with the recent discussions on the unprecedented terrorism threat. There was a minister on the news at lunchtime regurgitating the same old lines about protecting police budgets, flat cash or slight increases in budgets etc etc. I also think they have used up the excuse now of crime rising due to better recording practices as this was used to explain rises last year. Will it make any difference though?
  8. MPotter

    Rogue bank manager

    A rogue bank manager decides to raid the safe from his workplace - Bank X and borrow £1000 to gamble at the local casino. He plans to return the money and keep his profits. However he ends up loosing his entire bankroll and has no means of paying back any of the money. His deputy checks the safe and finds it to be empty. He then contacts corporate headquarters directly as he suspects that the manager has gone rogue and stolen all of the money. Corporate headquarters contact the Police. You attend the branch to investigate the suspected theft and ask the bank manager if he saw anything. He then admits everything that's happened. Any offences?
  9. DYFED-POWYS Police's crime commissioner Christopher Salmon is being ordered to "come clean" on his position regarding the future of the force's police helicopter. It comes after information obtained by Plaid shows Mr Salmon did not oppose the scrapping of the helicopter or closure of the Pembrey base by the National Police Air Support (NPAS). However, Mr Salmon last night maintained his commitment to safeguarding the helicopter stating: "I'm fighting for the best possible police air service for the people of Dyfed-Powys. "The Chief Constable Simon Prince and I continue to discuss with NPAS over the needs of our communities. "I won't sign up for any service that doesn't meet the needs of our region or match what we're paying for." Despite his pledge, a Freedom of Information request from the office of Carmarthen East and Dinefwr MP Jonathan Edwards and AM Rhodri Glyn Thomas has revealed Mr Salmon was "reluctant to oppose" the new NPAS model which will see the dedicated Dyfed-Powys helicopter removed from operation on January 1, next year. The minutes from a February NPAS meeting which Mr Salmon attended stated: "Christopher Salmon stated he was reluctant to oppose the model as he recognised this was the direction that NPAS needed to move in even though it appeared the agreement that Dyfed- Powys signed had changed." The force signed an agreement with NPAS in November to keep a chopper on-station at Pembrey following months of negotiations. But NPAS announced it is going to scrap 10 of its 25 bases, including Pembrey. Mr Salmon has publicly stated he is now fighting to retain it. However, in light of the information obtained by Plaid, AM Rhodri Glyn Thomas has set an ultimatum for him to decide whether he is committed to joining the fight to protect the helicopter. Mr Thomas said: "The residents of Dyfed- Powys will be left speechless by the explosive information contained in the NPAS strategic board minutes. Given his recent public statements it is almost inconceivable that the police commissioner was reluctant to oppose the loss of our dedicated police helicopter. Just six months ago the commissioner announced to huge fan fair that he had reached an agreement to secure the helicopter's future. Three months later, however, he sat in a meeting having been confronted with a change in that agreement and yet the minutes suggest he didn't put up one shred of opposition to losing the service that serves the people he is meant to represent. "Ultimately, the commissioner needs to decide whether he is on the same side as public opinion and prepared to join the campaign to protect the helicopter or whether he is more concerned in appeasing his Tory colleagues who are slashing police budgets and centralising services. "Christopher Salmon should consider a public apology for his woefully inadequate representation and come clean on whether backs the retention of the helicopter and base at Pembrey." Read more: http://www.carmarthenjournal.co.uk/Commissioner-told-come-clean/story-26573949-detail/story.html#ixzz3bQUgg9Jo Follow us: @Carmjournal on Twitter | carmarthenjournal on Facebook Source: Carmarthen Journal http://www.carmarthenjournal.co.uk/Commissioner-told-come-clean/story-26573949-detail/story.html
  10. http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/14177715.Murder_suspect_still_being_quizzed_by_police_after_man_dies_in_Bournemouth_flat/ Apparently the police are employing security to cover the crime scenes now, anyone heard of this elsewhere?
  11. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/21/metropolitan-police-burglaries-labour-budget-cuts-conservatives The Metropolitan police solved six out of every 100 burglaries last year, nearly half the rate their officers cleared up five years ago. Britain’s biggest police force said it solved 12% of burglaries in 2010-11. Labour said the sharp fall in the clear-up rate since then was due to budget cuts imposed by the Conservatives, but the Met said the way it counted the figures had changed.
  12. http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2015/08/15/telford-mp-calls-to-lock-up-serious-crime-youths/
  13. Hi guys, Often, when having stopped people or whatever in the process of investigating an offence, they will get their phone's out and call somebody for seemingly innocent reasons, or their phone will ring and they will go to answer it. I have always been told to get them to put the phone away in case they are signalling their mates to come round to where they are, or if they are colluding with somebody in order to disrupt our investigation of an offence. However, this got me thinking. So far, everybody i have told to put their phone away has apologised and put it away immediately. But lets say they refuse, what legal backing do I have to actually make them put the phone away, or for instance, take the phone off them temporarily? I can understand if I have somebody detained for a search, then I believe I may have some legal backing there to order them off the phone, or take it off them. But for instance the other day, we have a group of males stopped in a pub garden while we tried to ascertain whether they'd been involved in an offence. One of them was being rung incessantly by his girlfriend, to whom he eventually picked up and my colleague stated "Put it away mate, not while you're the subject of an investigation". Lets say he refused, is it an empty situation in that I have to just let him carry on? Or is there something we can do to enforce our request?
  14. techie 1 posted this in West Mercia section of the forum and I wondered what members thoughts were on the possibility and suggestion that rural crime is becoming more of an interest to certain sections of our communities including PCC's (i.e. 'The Wealthy') because they live there. Do you think that there is a perception that crime in urban areas, council house estates and the like are less important these days? http://m.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/13314062.West_Mercia_Deputy_PCC_urges_more_voices_on_rural_crime/
  15. http://m.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/13314062.West_Mercia_Deputy_PCC_urges_more_voices_on_rural_crime/
  16. Convicted criminals in England and Wales will have to pay up to £1,200 towards the cost of their court case under new rules, it has been revealed.   Justice Secretary Chris Grayling said the Criminal Courts Charge would ensure criminals "pay their way".   The fees, which come into force on 13 April, are not means-tested and will start at £150.   The Magistrates' Association warned the new charge could place a burden on people with little income.   It also warned that innocent people could be encouraged to plead guilty to avoid the risk of higher payments, as those who admit their offences will pay less than those convicted after a trial.   The government said the new charge would be reviewed three years after implementation, but the Magistrates' Association said it should be reviewed after six months.   Concerns raised   The fee will be paid on top of fines, compensation orders and defendants' own legal charges.   It will not be linked to the sentence given, but will be set according to its type of case, with the minimum charge for magistrates' courts and the maximum level for crown court cases.   The charge can be paid in instalments.   A government assessment suggested that by 2020 the system could raise £135m annually after costs.   But it warned that by then the court service would be owed £1bn in unpaid fees.   Courts already have the power to award "costs" against criminals as part of their punishment, but that is to reimburse any expenditure by the prosecution team that the court decides it would be "just and reasonable" to have paid by a losing defendant.   The new charge will mean offenders make a direct contribution to the costs of running the court itself.   Under the current rules, convicted criminals can also be ordered to make payments to cover compensation for victims, as well as a Victim Surcharge - which funds victims' services.   All of this is separate from the sentence itself, which in some cases can be a fine.   'Not able to pay'   Mr Grayling said: "We're on the side of people who work hard and want to get on, and that is why these reforms will make sure that those who commit crime pay their way and contribute towards the cost of their court cases."   Richard Monkhouse, Magistrates' Association chairman, told BBC Radio 5 live: "We see an awful lot of people who are offending because they have no money, so just slapping another fine on them, another costs element on them, isn't actually going to make a big difference if they're not able to pay."   Speaking about the risk of innocent people pleading guilty, he added: "We already get the equivocal plea in court, [people] saying I am not guilty... but I am pleading guilty because I want to get rid of it."   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32078676
  17. For police officers in the UK, it's time to fight fire with fire. Some sneaky Brits have been using drones to film football matches and smuggle contraband into prisons, so now the long arm of the law is recruiting some unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of its own. The Sussex and Surrey Police force has been awarded almost £250,000 by the Home Office to buy five drones and investigate how they can assist officers in the field. UAVs are potentially faster than regular bobbies on the beat, and could be used to investigate smoky or otherwise hazardous conditions that would put officers' lives at risk. The force has suggested they could also be used to gather helpful aerial evidence, such as when a person is reported missing, or an armed incident occurs on the street. Sussex and Surrey Police have experimented with drones before at Gatwick Airport. The technology was used for perimeter patrols and the force concluded that in some instances, it was a faster, safer and cheaper alternative to regular officers. With this latest trial, the force wants to look at broader use cases and ultimately advise other divisions that are considering drones of their own. Officers will also draw up a training scheme so that colleagues can be properly approved before flying their own unmanned robots. The use of drones is bound to make some citizens uneasy, especially when the rules for recreational use are beginning to tighten. Police forces across the UK are also under pressure to cut costs, so UAVs could be an attractive option. Until they can intervene and make arrests though, they're unlikely to replace human officers anytime soon. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/26/drones-police-uk/
  18. Victims of crime are being let down in areas covered by nearly half of the police forces in England and Wales by poor investigations, a policing watchdog has said. In its annual assessment of the state of policing in England and Wales, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) said it was of "material concern" that 18 forces out of 43 were assessed as requiring improvement in the way they investigate offending. Inspectors said a "deficit in skill and experience of officers investigating crimes" and a lack of supervision was behind weak investigations. In the 12 months to March, only one force - Dyfed-Powys - in England and Wales was able to achieve detections, which include cautions as well as charges, for more than half of the crimes recorded. Detection rates range from 22% to 51%. "Opportunities to secure a successful outcome for victims of crime are being missed as a result of failures to conduct an effective, prompt and professional investigation," the HMIC report said. Failures to do house-to-house inquiries, take photos of injuries in domestic abuse cases and collect CCTV evidence on assaults in public places were among some of the inconsistencies found in the way evidence was gathered, the report said. Crimes are being investigated by officers who also provide neighbourhood policing services such as patrols, some of whom have not investigated crimes for a number of years, inspectors said. Inspection plans - used by officers to determine what they need to do gather evidence - were of a poor standard in 18 forces, with some officers copying and pasting previous versions to new investigations. HMIC has also launched a new website to allow the public to see at a glance how well their force is performing. Elsewhere, the inspectorate raised concerns about forces' ability to keep up with modern criminal activity, including cyber-crime and child sexual exploitation. Chief Inspector of Constabulary Tom Winsor said officers were " policing the crimes of today with the methods of yesterday and insufficiently prepared for the crimes of the future". HMIC assessed the " effectiveness , efficiency and legitimacy" of each force. In relation to effectiveness, 40 forces were rated good or outstanding at preventing and reducing crime with three forces - Gwent, Bedfordshire and Humberside - requiring improvement. Some 41 forces are good or outstanding at tackling anti-social behaviour with two forces - Gwent and Cleveland - requiring improvement. However, only 24 forces were assessed as good at investigating crime. In relation to efficiency, 40 forces were rated good or outstanding for the value for money provided with three forces - Bedfordshire, Gwent and Nottinghamshire - rated as requiring improvement. Shadow policing minister Jack Dromey said: "This report is very worrying - it is just not good enough for half of police forces to be rated less than 'good' at investigating crime. "This is surely a central plank of policing and raises serious questions for the Government about their approach to cutting crime. Theresa May cannot expect to cut 16,000 police officers and still deliver the highest standards of policing the public want and deserve. "HMIC is right to draw attention to the changing nature of crime. Labour has been calling for the Government to take action against the rising wave of cybercrime - from fraud to the grooming of children. "The Home Secretary has ignored this - and, as this report highlights, the police do not have the resource or expertise to respond to the scale of these offences." Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said: "Chiefs whose forces have fallen short on the standard of crime investigation will be analysing the reasons for this and taking action to improve on this crucial area of policing." Steve White, chair of the Police Federation of England and Wales, said: "We have been warning there are issues around what the service can provide against cuts to funding and police numbers. Although we are pleased that the majority of forces are performing well, we know that officers are struggling to provide the service they believe the public deserve." The 18 force s that require improvement in investigating practices are: Bedfordshire Dorset Essex Gloucestershire Greater Manchester Gwent Humberside Lincolnshire Metropolitan Police Northamptonshire North Wales North Yorkshire Nottinghamshire South Yorkshire Staffordshire Surrey Sussex West Yorkshire http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2851509/Forces-letting-crime-victims-down.html The HMIC report is available here: http://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/wp-content/uploads/state-of-policing-13-14.pdf
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