Teamcoppi 1 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Hello. In 1987, when I was 17, I used to use a 125cc motor cycle on 'L' plates. In those days I could continue to ride the 125cc for 2 years. By the end of the 2 years I would either need to pass a full bike test, enabling me to ride any bike without 'L' plates or pass my car test which would enable me to ride up to a 125cc on 'L' plates for ever. I passed my car test so I was entitled to ride my 125cc on 'L' plates for life. After this date the CBT was introduced. Anyone who was entitled to ride a moped or up to a 125cc before the CBT was introduced didn't have to take a CBT, only people applying to do so after the CBT was introduced had to take a CBT. After moving house and changing my old style driving licence for the new style, I have lost my entitlment ( I think it was a D) which I think is now an A1. I really believe that I don't need to take a CBT on a 125cc - am I correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_preston 14 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Sounds like you have grandfather rights to me, but to be sure you should ring the DVLA. Edited August 25, 2011 by rick_preston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrative Account 7 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Moved to help me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boroughtrainer 287 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Section 97(3)(e) Road Traffic Act 1988 A Certificate of Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) is required by all moped and motor bicycle provisional licence holders before they ride on a road except during the training itself and, although full Cat B licence holders may ride mopeds as full licence holders, if the Cat B test was passed on or after 1/2/2001 they will need to complete CBT before riding a moped on a road for the first time except during the training itself. Holders of a full moped licence gained as a result of passing a moped test after 1/12/90 may ride learner motorbicycles without the need to complete CBT again. DVLA I've highlighted the relevant bits. You need to do a CBT, before you can ride anything over 50cc and upto 125cc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_preston 14 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) I've just re read the post, i read it as you had an A1 on your licence. My bad . ignore my abovepost Edited August 25, 2011 by rick_preston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamcoppi 1 Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thanks all. I have studdied this again more recently and I believe I, and anyone in my situation, can ride up to a 125cc without having to take a CBT. http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/dsa-history-motorcycle-testing Above is a link to a web address that gives the history of motorcycle testing. This is what it says about CBT: 1990 The Driving Standards Agency (DSA) is created as an executive agency of the Department for Transport. Provisional licence holders prevented from carrying pillion passengers. Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) was introduced for all new learner riders of motorcycles and mopeds. CBT comprises five elements including a minimum two-hour accompanied road ride. The course is designed to ensure new riders have a basic level of competence before they are allowed to ride on public roads displaying L plates and continue the learning process It clearly states that - Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) was introduced for all new learner riders of motorcycles and mopeds - I was not a new learner rider of a motorcycle as I had been riding a motorcycle as a leaner since 01-09-1986. I have a 'p' on my driving licence for my moped licence and an 'A' on my counterpart for my light motorcycle entitlement. Grandfather rights fo sure? Teamcoppi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boroughtrainer 287 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thanks all. I have studdied this again more recently and I believe I, and anyone in my situation, can ride up to a 125cc without having to take a CBT. http://www.dft.gov.u...orcycle-testing Above is a link to a web address that gives the history of motorcycle testing. This is what it says about CBT: 1990 The Driving Standards Agency (DSA) is created as an executive agency of the Department for Transport. Provisional licence holders prevented from carrying pillion passengers. Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) was introduced for all new learner riders of motorcycles and mopeds. CBT comprises five elements including a minimum two-hour accompanied road ride. The course is designed to ensure new riders have a basic level of competence before they are allowed to ride on public roads displaying L plates and continue the learning process It clearly states that - Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) was introduced for all new learner riders of motorcycles and mopeds - I was not a new learner rider of a motorcycle as I had been riding a motorcycle as a leaner since 01-09-1986. I have a 'p' on my driving licence for my moped licence and an 'A' on my counterpart for my light motorcycle entitlement. Grandfather rights fo sure? Teamcoppi If you get stopped and cannot produce a CBT you will be prosecuted for not in accordance. Read the legislation that's what the courts go by, not a presee of events published by the DfT. Click the link to the DSA on the page in your link the type CBT in the search box. If you only have a provisional entitlement you will fall foul of the law if you don't get a CBT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamcoppi 1 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Thanks Boroughtrainer I don't mean to go on about it and I don't want to annoy anyone but if this is the case, and I do need to take a CBT, then on the 1st December 1990 there would have been a hell of a lot people unable to ride the mopeds and light motorcycles. There have been a lot of changes to what people can or can't drive/ride since I got my licence but this is the only one that seems to be affecting me. It makes no sense that I could be riding a light motorcycle for two or three years (and other people a lot longer) then all of a sudden, I/we can't until we take compulsory basic training for new learners. The ruling was that if you passed a test of competence (ie car test) you could ride a light motorcycle (up to 125cc) indefinitely. I know I can ride a motorcycle and I begrudge having to pay out for basic training every two years when one day I didn't then the next day I did! Teamcoppi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The ruling was that if you passed a test of competence (ie car test) you could ride a light motorcycle (up to 125cc) indefinitely. Are you sure about that? My other half has a full car (and other categories) licence. He passed his test in 1986. He can legally ride mopeds up to 50cc on his licence (not needing to display L plates or have a CBT), and automatically has Cat A (motorcycle) provisional entitlement. But I think to ride a 125cc, he'd still need a CBT (which is valid for 2 years I believe) as it's beyond the scope of (full) categories on his licence. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrative Account 7 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Sorry, missing something here - why on earth would you want to be restricted to 125cc for life? Do your CBT and then do Direct Access if you want to keep your L plates for as long as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamcoppi 1 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 This is my point. CBT wasn't around when your other half passed his test so he could ride a 125cc - cat A - on 'L' plates from his car pass date. So let's say he did. From 1986 he starts riding a 125cc and all is good then on the 1st December 1990, four years later, he couldn't because a new rule came out which stopped him from riding until he had taken his CBT. It doesn't make sense. Ask yourself; if you passed your car test before they introduced the separate theory test, does this mean everyone has to stop driving until they pass the new theory test? The answer is no. The theory test only applies to people wanting to take their test AFTER the theory test was introduced. I hate it when people say 'I think' or 'in my mind' when people don't know the answer but........the way I understand things, every time a new rule/law comes out to do with driving licences, it is only from the date it was introduced. Teamcoppi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Teamcoppi, I can see your point and it makes sense, but I'm not 100% sure of the answer. What I said above was my understanding of it, which may or not be correct. He only drives a car or van so it's not something that he's ever looked into. He's also licenced to drive a bus, but we've not got one of those either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrative Account 7 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I love this thread, it's like being induced into a coma back in the 80s and only just being brought round blinking into the current time. I passed my bike test back in 1985, when I was 19 and I still ride my bikes almost every day throughout the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamcoppi 1 Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Rocket I don't want to be restricted to anything. I just need some cheap transport every now and again. Can't afford to take my test. I should have done it back in the 80's. Teamcoppi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrative Account 7 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Rocket I don't want to be restricted to anything. I just need some cheap transport every now and again. Can't afford to take my test. I should have done it back in the 80's. Teamcoppi The only way you (taking into account age and full car licence) can be unrestricted riding a bike like you want to is to ride a <50cc bike without L plates or ride a <125cc with L plates and CBT which only lasts 2 years and then you have to do CBT again. Edited January 27, 2012 by Rocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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