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Where I am, doing the car response course doesn't automatically entitle you to drive a van (or carrier) as response, unless you drove one of those vehicles as part of your response course. One of the guys in my team had a 5 day refresher the other day and they did half a day in the van so he's all good. I would assume, if he had D1, that they would've taken that out and he would've been green for response in a carrier too.

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XA84, That's pretty much how I ended up driving the carrier or  "big van" as we called it. Another special and myself put in for the   "familiarisation drive" (which is what was then)  for the personn

Quite common in my force and the force itself is an approved DVLA test centre so the theory and practical is all done by the driving school. As above, less and less recruits have the grandfather

I'm guessing no seatbelts so prisoners are technically cargo?

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I've passed my D1 theory and enquired about the course. I was told it's a four day course but that just covers basic authority. I am a standard car driver so asked how I would get a standard authority on the vans and I was told I would have to come back another day for an hour familiarisation to drive on blues rather than a new course

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On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 11:05, DB11 said:

I've passed my D1 theory and enquired about the course. I was told it's a four day course but that just covers basic authority. I am a standard car driver so asked how I would get a standard authority on the vans and I was told I would have to come back another day for an hour familiarisation to drive on blues rather than a new course

Four day course to learn D1? you can do it in  6 hours + an hour test and you'll be sorted if you've got reasonable spacial awareness, how come its 4 days? 

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11 minutes ago, Eebs said:

Four day course to learn D1? you can do it in  6 hours + an hour test and you'll be sorted if you've got reasonable spacial awareness, how come its 4 days? 

We do a 3 day course to get C1/D1/PSU for non-response. 1 day learning C1, 1 day learning D1, half day doing the assessments, half day familiarisation on PSU.

If you're already response, you do a 5 day course, which is the above but with an additional amount of time learning to drive the PSU in response mode.

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13 hours ago, Klaus said:

We do a 3 day course to get C1/D1/PSU for non-response. 1 day learning C1, 1 day learning D1, half day doing the assessments, half day familiarisation on PSU.

If you're already response, you do a 5 day course, which is the above but with an additional amount of time learning to drive the PSU in response mode.

It's not really enough though. You don't actually spend a day driving. I'm willing to bet it's less than 3 hrs contact time on each vehicle when you take into account other students and instructor fondness for breaks.

And then we wonder why we have a high polcoll rate when it comes to officers manoeuvring large vehicles.

I spent a week doing my HGV class 2 and just about felt comfortable with that come test day (I passed with a clean sheet). I spent 2 weeks doing my bus licence and learnt how to drive a bus, not just pass a test.

 

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35 minutes ago, HazRat said:

It's not really enough though. You don't actually spend a day driving. I'm willing to bet it's less than 3 hrs contact time on each vehicle when you take into account other students and instructor fondness for breaks.

And then we wonder why we have a high polcoll rate when it comes to officers manoeuvring large vehicles.

I spent a week doing my HGV class 2 and just about felt comfortable with that come test day (I passed with a clean sheet). I spent 2 weeks doing my bus licence and learnt how to drive a bus, not just pass a test.

 

Just about the same really, I did my D1 (Couldn't afford full cat D) after doing my class 2, and after 4-5 hours i was just feeling comfortable behind the D1. 

 

14 hours ago, Klaus said:

We do a 3 day course to get C1/D1/PSU for non-response. 1 day learning C1, 1 day learning D1, half day doing the assessments, half day familiarisation on PSU.

If you're already response, you do a 5 day course, which is the above but with an additional amount of time learning to drive the PSU in response mode.

Why do you do C1 as well, minus unless you need for specialism vehicles you don't need it for PSU carriers do you? Or are they over 4,250kg?

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Our carriers only have 8 passenger seats so don't actually need D1, they just need C1 due to weight.
We do D1 as we have 10 and 16 seater minibuses as well as our normal carriers.

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5 hours ago, Klaus said:

Our carriers only have 8 passenger seats so don't actually need D1, they just need C1 due to weight.
We do D1 as we have 10 and 16 seater minibuses as well as our normal carriers.

Ooooh that would explain it, Derp. Our's have 9 hence my confusion, do the prisoner cells technically count as seats?(genuine question)

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36 minutes ago, Eebs said:

Ooooh that would explain it, Derp. Our's have 9 hence my confusion, do the prisoner cells technically count as seats?(genuine question)

I'm guessing no seatbelts so prisoners are technically cargo?

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On 26 September 2016 at 22:52, Eebs said:

Ooooh that would explain it, Derp. Our's have 9 hence my confusion, do the prisoner cells technically count as seats?(genuine question)

Sid facing seats exempt - logical f you think about how a SB works to spread load across whole front of body not the side

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15 hours ago, BlueBob said:

Sid facing seats exempt - logical f you think about how a SB works to spread load across whole front of body not the side

But does it count as a seat i mean? Like if you have 8 seats in the front and 2 passanger cells its an 11 person carrier? (example)

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Carriage of passengers is not defined by seatbelt. Take a bus for example. A single decker might be designated as for the carriage of 40 people but only have 20 seats because 20 are standing (non-scientific example)


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