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Funny how everyone seems to have a story like this when it comes to vehicle selection.

 

I have had the pleasure of being seconded to a vehicle working group in my force and have been able to take part in the organisation vehicle procument and management.

Firstly as HazRat has said the above about BMW being cheaper is a complete Urban Myth, Ford and Vauxhall are significantly cheaper than BMW. It's a nice story which many like to propergate as fact when it just isn't. The real contenders are the likes the VW group and Hyundai. There is a framework in place to build a purpose built patrol car modified by either Ford or Vauxhall all it requires is for forces to agree on what they want in the cars, which as you can imagine they don't and as such friction arises. This is also compounded by some forces still having their own individual procurement policies.

Other manufactures such as Nissan and Toyota have yet to be fully brought into the picture of supplying police vehicles. It was explained to me that this was due to no official tenders ever being offered to them and them being considered too risky due to them never holding police contracts before. That being said they have always been welcome at the table, they have yet to make a substantial business plan on why they should supply police vehicles.

Going back to BMW, BMW will only supply specialist cars they will not support a general role out of their vehicles as  panda cars. This due in no small part to a devaluing of their image and brand management. This is a similar stance taken by Mercedes and Audi who are also reluctant to get involved in supplying the police with vehicles as standard patrol cars.

On a personal note, the only issue I have with our current vehicles is that they can be a bit too small, a role out of Insignias and Modeos as standard panda cars would be a lot more practical. On a day to day basis there is absolutely no need to be horsing about in a BMW or any other prestige brand unless you are in a specialist unit which requires a high powered vehicle. I just dont see what advantage it would bring to have these as standard patrol cars.

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The issue has always been there, but we just ignored it and relied on the we're exempt because we're the police. A few incidents later and we are where we are.

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You say that, but looking at most police cars in the US, I'd consider them luxury! Pretty much every police cruiser seems to be a high-powered vehicle. The vast majority of our vehicles are 1.6l diese

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I haven't been on a working group so defer to a lot of what you say, however we have had trial beemers for use as pandas/IRVs - there was even talk of a mini for the duty officer a while back too. Small cars have their role too, particularly in the inner city. Soho for example has many tight narrow lanes and a smaller car can be a real benefit.

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I haven't been on a working group so defer to a lot of what you say, however we have had trial beemers for use as pandas/IRVs - there was even talk of a mini for the duty officer a while back too. Small cars have their role too, particularly in the inner city. Soho for example has many tight narrow lanes and a smaller car can be a real benefit.

We have a habit of forgetting past mistakes. The supervisor van from 2003-7 was often left in the yard as it was hideous to drive and really not required. By having a standard fleet, such as the Astra/Focus/i30 there are no issues of "that's the duty officers car and therefore unsuitable for general response" which I would suggest is where we would find ourselves with the mini (as an example).

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Our duty inspector (sometimes sergeant) have vauxhall Mokkas 12/13 plate, pretty powerful and comfy, big and useful. but they are for them only. :P We still have a full fleet of protons...some astras and corsas... Some run down mercs and some new vans :)  Hopefully we should get a new fleet soon. :D 

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Protons :lol::lol::lol:

 

Ultimately we live in a global marketplace, and while it'd be nice to buy British made vehicles and support British jobs we also have to be responsible with what little money we do have - that means contracts going to the cheapest bidder who offers a product meeting the criteria required... 

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Protons :lol::lol::lol:

 

Ultimately we live in a global marketplace, and while it'd be nice to buy British made vehicles and support British jobs we also have to be responsible with what little money we do have - that means contracts going to the cheapest bidder who offers a product meeting the criteria required... 

Went out in an Astra for the first time ever there.. (in 3 months as well!)

 

They've got some Get-Go compared to the protons, wow! Very comfy too! Kept annoying me when it went into Eco mode...No. We do not want ecomode. we want power... :) 

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Coming to a police garage near you soon! Managed to get a snap of this from our garage the other day when I had to take a Hyundai back for squirting diesel back at me while trying to refuel it! Not sure whether to expect them to be worse than the Hyundais or not. I know some forces have used the vans for a while so they should be okay, but i just don't like the look of the cars. Apparently they are due to start arriving in November and our station is going to be amongst the first to have them as we still have old 10 plate Foci' and the first batch of old style Hyundais rattling around on response.

 

 

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On a personal note, the only issue I have with our current vehicles is that they can be a bit too small, a role out of Insignias and Modeos as standard panda cars would be a lot more practical. On a day to day basis there is absolutely no need to be horsing about in a BMW or any other prestige brand unless you are in a specialist unit which requires a high powered vehicle. I just dont see what advantage it would bring to have these as standard patrol cars.

From experience, both Insignias and Mondeos are still too small to be decent patrol cars. Skoda Superbs are a decent size, but a bit expensive, we have one superb estate as an ANPR car and its great. The insignia estates are just too cramped. 

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From experience, both Insignias and Mondeos are still too small to be decent patrol cars. Skoda Superbs are a decent size, but a bit expensive, we have one superb estate as an ANPR car and its great. The insignia estates are just too cramped. 

Now I would love that ! You are very lucky to get one of those on area, I would still say the mondeo and insignia are an improvement on the Astra and Focus.

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Conversely, for those of us in cities such as the Met, I wouldn't want larger than a Focus for an Incident Response Vehicle and I don't see why they are all estates. It's just not required.

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From experience, both Insignias and Mondeos are still too small to be decent patrol cars. Skoda Superbs are a decent size, but a bit expensive, we have one superb estate as an ANPR car and its great. The insignia estates are just too cramped. 

Spend a day in a 1.3 corsa.....

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From experience, both Insignias and Mondeos are still too small to be decent patrol cars. Skoda Superbs are a decent size, but a bit expensive, we have one superb estate as an ANPR car and its great. The insignia estates are just too cramped. 

out of interest, if insignia is too cramped, what veh would you propose?  

Is if cramped for driver, passenger, load capacity?  

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Conversely, for those of us in cities such as the Met, I wouldn't want larger than a Focus for an Incident Response Vehicle and I don't see why they are all estates. It's just not required.

For the extra load carrying capacity. Hatchback IRV's are on the limit of being overloaded when fully kitted and carrying four officers, which happens quite a bit. The organisation doesn't wish to expose itself to that risk, hence why log books are marked up showing what can be carried.

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Fair enough. I can see the point of having Estates but I think there should be a spread of hatchbacks and estates. We had hatchbacks for years without this issue. I must admit I thought it was more to do with a standardised national fleet but what you say makes sense.

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