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We had a big topic running for the general election , so I thought I'd create one for our next big vote as a nation.

So the question is...

Brexit or Bremain?

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Shouldn't we agree a budget for those campaigning for the IN or OUT vote for this poll to keep it fair?

Of course the mods can choose to spend public money (our money) why we should remain in, but that's not campaigning so it's still fair :huh:

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No appetite for a discussion on here then you see the one on the 'other' forum.

No need to discuss anyway really - just vote remain.

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I think I'm firmly siding with the remain side but it has been confusing at times with each side saying some truly odd things.  Cutting through the lies and speculation hasn't been easy so I'd advise everyone to do their own research as well as listening to both parties before making a rash decision based on one or two soundbites or your favouritism toward a particular politician.

 

24 minutes ago, Reasonable Man said:

No appetite for a discussion on here then you see the one on the 'other' forum.

No need to discuss anyway really - just vote remain.

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@Reasonable Man, Someone brought that discussion to my attention and suggested they may want to re-name PoliceUK into PoliceUKIP.  It made me laugh anyway even though it was quite scary.

 

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Britain in Europe is greater than the sum of its parts. We play an oversized role in the world stage and we need to remain in order to continue to do so.

Britain will never be 'great' on its own again.

Exiting Europe will have a significant financial impact on millions of people. Anything that is going to increase by mortgage repayments is something that I could never support.

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1 hour ago, Reasonable Man said:

No appetite for a discussion on here then you see the one on the 'other' forum.

No need to discuss anyway really - just vote remain.

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Oh dear sounds ominous, tried to view their discussion but the forum is down.

Anyway I think we should remain in the EU, lots of scaremongering but surely working together with other EU countries on a wide range of issues will help us, having an us and them mentality is surely no good for anybody.

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I seem to be in the minority here as I'm swaying towards out.

I think it's fair to say both campaigns have engaged in scaremongering and if anything I think that the remain campaign have been the more negative of the two.

The problem is there are no HARD facts it's all opinions and conjecture. 

3 hours ago, ParochialYokal said:

Exiting Europe will have a significant financial impact on millions of people. Anything that is going to increase by mortgage repayments is something that I could never support.

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I remain open minded so please feel free to convince me why I should vote to remain. Perhaps starting with the above argument have you got any proof to support this?

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I have spent 18 months investigating what evidence and facts there are out there as I was an undecided. The problem is for every 'we will be overrun by benefits seeking immigrants' claim by one side there is the 'without the economic benefit that EU migrants bring we couldn't afford to pay the old age pension' from the other.

Fullfact.org is a good independent site.

Whichever way you look it is about prediction and as the financial warnings say, 'past performance is no guarantee of future growth'. In or out things will change over time and whenever something bad happens the side that lost the referendum will cry, 'It wouldn't have happened had we remained/left.'

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I am voting out.

I believe both sides have tried to scare monger but of the two the remain campaign has been worse.

I also do not believe the EU brings any great advantage that we would not be able to replicate in the fullness of time.

It almost certainly will be a bumpy few years if we do exit but I think long term benefits will be greater.

We will have to take the rough with the smooth and we need to look further than the next five years.

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I can't just remember now how I voted last time, but probably voted to stay in because I liked Ted Heath. Whether or not you believe that it was his  "greatest achievement"  to join the common market I am voting to remain, I was never going to do anything else, I certainly don't want fuel costs to go up, "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" is what I say :).Rich.

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If we vote to stay will we then be called Remainian's

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In for me. I don't think the system is perfect and there are a lot of things I dislike about the EU but I think there have been a lot of good things that have come about from the EU such as fair pay for women and the continuing collaborations between hundreds of scientists, doctors and lawyers as well as the right to free healthcare and living arrangements across the EU and that withdrawing would leave us in a financially insecure position in terms of having to renegotiate the trade agreements when we're already in the largest free market in the world. If we're in we can at least influence things to the better.

If we have a poll we'd have to have a 'do the hokey-pokey' option for the undecided... (IN. OUT. IN. OUT... etc, get it)? Oooo turning into Bagpuss...... :o

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