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Hire a 17 seater minibus advice

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scub@

Hi all

 

Looking for a bit of advice

 

Other half is going on hen party and flying from Edinburgh

 

We are looking at hiring a minibus to take them all up

 

Now my question after banging my head off a brick wall!

 

My dad has cat D1 on his licence as was issues in 19canteen!

 

But there is a restriction code saying "not for hire or reward"

 

Is this to stop the vehicle being used for personal gain i.e. Taking payment or does this prevent him from hiring it?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

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Funkywingnut
7 minutes ago, scub@ said:

 

Hi all

 

Looking for a bit of advice

 

Other half is going on hen party and flying from Edinburgh

 

We are looking at hiring a minibus to take them all up

 

Now my question after banging my head off a brick wall!

 

My dad has cat D1 on his licence as was issues in 19canteen!

 

But there is a restriction code saying "not for hire or reward"

 

Is this to stop the vehicle being used for personal gain i.e. Taking payment or does this prevent him from hiring it?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

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He can drive it for personal or charity purposes but not as a taxi or professionally etc. 

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HazRat
1 hour ago, funkywingnut said:

He can drive it for personal or charity purposes but not as a taxi or professionally etc. 

Only if a Section 19 and 22 permit has been issued for charity and subject to other conditions.

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scub@

Brilliant. So he is paying for the hire and no payment will be taken from the passengers


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Funkywingnut
39 minutes ago, HazRat said:

Only if a Section 19 and 22 permit has been issued for charity and subject to other conditions.

Didn't know that, suppose I have never had the issue as I have a full D licence. Cheers 

 

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Funkywingnut
38 minutes ago, HazRat said:

Only if a Section 19 and 22 permit has been issued for charity and subject to other conditions.

Didn't know that. 

 

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HazRat
5 minutes ago, funkywingnut said:

Didn't know that, suppose I have never had the issue as I have a full D licence. Cheers 

 

Likewise, I have a full cat D and CPC although don't make use of it.

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HazRat
1 hour ago, scub@ said:

 

Hi all

Looking for a bit of advice

Other half is going on hen party and flying from Edinburgh

We are looking at hiring a minibus to take them all up

Now my question after banging my head off a brick wall!

My dad has cat D1 on his licence as was issues in 19canteen!

But there is a restriction code saying "not for hire or reward"

Is this to stop the vehicle being used for personal gain i.e. Taking payment or does this prevent him from hiring it?

Thanks in advance!

Use of commercial vehicles can lead to problems with the myriad of regulations. My personal view is that this does fall under hire & reward as the passengers are making a payment giving them the right to be carried.

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HazRat
1 hour ago, scub@ said:

 

Hi all

Looking for a bit of advice

Other half is going on hen party and flying from Edinburgh

We are looking at hiring a minibus to take them all up

Now my question after banging my head off a brick wall!

My dad has cat D1 on his licence as was issues in 19canteen!

But there is a restriction code saying "not for hire or reward"

Is this to stop the vehicle being used for personal gain i.e. Taking payment or does this prevent him from hiring it?

Thanks in advance!

Use of commercial vehicles can lead to problems with the myriad of regulations. My personal view is that this does fall under hire & reward as the passengers are making a payment giving them the right to be carried.

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scub@
Use of commercial vehicles can lead to problems with the myriad of regulations. My personal view is that this does fall under hire & reward as the passengers are making a payment giving them the right to be carried.


That was my concerns also...

He is hiring it as a gift, so the passengers will not be making any payment to be in the minibus. It's to have them all in the one place at the one time


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Surely the driver is not part of any organisation and is not receiving any money for doing the driving?

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On ‎26‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 19:54, HazRat said:

Use of commercial vehicles can lead to problems with the myriad of regulations. My personal view is that this does fall under hire & reward as the passengers are making a payment giving them the right to be carried.

If they are going to give him money to pay for the cost of hiring the vehicle then it wouldn't come under hire and reward. It's no different to a family chipping together to hire a car for a day. 

If on the other hand the driver was a company driver and the vehicle was being hired by the party to drop them off then I would say in those circs it would be.

https://www.gov.uk/driving-a-minibus

Driving a minibus

You might be able to drive a minibus if you hold a car driving licence and meet certain conditions - otherwise you’ll need to apply for a minibus licence.

View your driving licence information to see what vehicles you can drive.

If the minibus is not for ‘hire or reward’

You might be able to drive a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats using your current car driving licence as long as there’s no payment from or on behalf of the passengers (it’s not for ‘hire or reward’).

Conditions you must meet

You can drive a minibus within the UK as long as the following conditions apply:

  • you’re 21 or older
  • you’ve had your driving licence for at least 2 years
  • you meet the ‘Group 2’ medical standards if you’re over 70 - check with your GP if you’re not sure you meet the standards
  • you’re driving on a voluntary basis and the minibus is used for social purposes by a non-commercial body
  • the maximum weight of the minibus is not more than 3.5 tonnes - or 4.25 tonnes including specialist equipment for disabled passengers, for example a wheelchair ramp
  • you’re not towing a trailer

Driving a minibus abroad

You might be able to drive a minibus abroad. Contact the licensing authority in the country you’re visiting for more information.

Renew your driving licence if you’re 70 or over

If you’re 70 or over (or soon will be) and are renewing your driving licence, you need to:

You should send both forms to the address in section F of the D2.

If you got your driving licence after 1 January 1997, you’ll need to apply for a minibus licence.

Minibus permit - if you need to charge running costs

You can apply for a minibus permit if you need to charge passengers, as long as:

  • the vehicle can carry between 9 and 16 passengers
  • you’re driving it for a voluntary organisation that benefits the community - for example an educational, religious or sports organisation
  • the minibus service is only available for members of that organisation - not to the general public
  • any charges are to cover running costs and are not for profit

You can apply for a minibus permit from the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA).

The driver must be 21 or older.

Driving a minibus for profit

If you want to drive a minibus commercially, or if the above conditions don’t apply, you’ll need to apply for both a:

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Klaus

Jedi Knight what you have shared is about driving one on a car licence. The chap in question has D1 on his licence so can drive a minibus without issue so long as he's not operating it for hire or reward (as in, courier, taxi, commerical purposes, deliveries, etc.). If he's driving a group of friends and family together then that wouldn't be an issue.

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