Complaints against officers

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EXCLUSIVE: The damning report into the Met Police's shortcomings will shake public opinion and leave Britain's largest police force's reputation in "tatters", two human rights campaigners have told Express.co.uk.   https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1747647/met-police-louise-casy-report

[BlueBob + 690]

Although not read yet another report, some themes seem to continue and somehow seem to escape the grasp of a massive senior management team. 
lots of people say policing is like a business, in any business where management can’t grasp the problems, there’s a simple answer, get new managers.   

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7 hours ago, BlueBob said:

Although not read yet another report, some themes seem to continue and somehow seem to escape the grasp of a massive senior management team. 
lots of people say policing is like a business, in any business where management can’t grasp the problems, there’s a simple answer, get new managers.   

In business those mangers would come from elsewhere. In policing they would come from the same culture. If the senior leadership was replaced by so many ex army officers, private industry CEOs and/or senior leaders from other public industries there would be uproar from within about how they’d never completed there two years of foot patrol and been promoted through the ranks. 

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Given the utter morons, that direct entry recruited last time to the police service, I hardly feel that is an experiment that should be repeated. 

[Reasonable Man + 1,230]

1 hour ago, gallifrey said:

Given the utter morons, that direct entry recruited last time to the police service, I hardly feel that is an experiment that should be repeated. 

That’s the thing. One group of people say the current leaders, who were promoted through time honoured processes have been proven to fail to sort out the problems. Another group criticises the direct entry route. 
If the police are unable to find managers from within to manage out the bad culture, and managers recruited from without are ‘utter morons’ then what’s the solution? Or are police officers inherently unmanageable, despite being a so called disciplined service? 

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1 hour ago, Reasonable Man said:

That’s the thing. One group of people say the current leaders, who were promoted through time honoured processes have been proven to fail to sort out the problems. Another group criticises the direct entry route. 
If the police are unable to find managers from within to manage out the bad culture, and managers recruited from without are ‘utter morons’ then what’s the solution? Or are police officers inherently unmanageable, despite being a so called disciplined service? 

Of course there is a compromise, some officers go off seconded to industry😀

[Zulu 22 + 4,569]

In the Police Service a good manager has to have been through the ranks and know the job and have the experience. There has always been problems within the Met because it is so easy for a bad one to "Hide in Plain Sight".   IT may sound sexist but at the last count some 40% of Chief Officers were females, so do they have the strength of character to Police or have they become indoctrinated with the Social Work ethos.  I am not sure which one it is but at least one has 3 children, with three lots of maternity leave, so how long has she been on leave and where has she gained the necessary experience.  I don't kid myself that the4re also some poor examples of Male Chief and high ranking officers, many of those have spent very little time on active police work and have known to be womanisers. One of those such officers came from the Met to be Chief  Constable in Manchester some years ago.

It is a sad fact that the Met has not been doing itself any favours for many years and Cressida Dick was never going to help matters.

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2 hours ago, Reasonable Man said:

Or are police officers inherently unmanageable, despite being a so called disciplined service? 

Soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen are too inherently unmanageable. It’s just that their peers and rank structure have much more robust methods of dealing with dissension.

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11 hours ago, Zulu 22 said:

In the Police Service a good manager has to have been through the ranks and know the job and have the experience. There has always been problems within the Met because it is so easy for a bad one to "Hide in Plain Sight".   IT may sound sexist but at the last count some 40% of Chief Officers were females, so do they have the strength of character to Police or have they become indoctrinated with the Social Work ethos.  I am not sure which one it is but at least one has 3 children, with three lots of maternity leave, so how long has she been on leave and where has she gained the necessary experience.  I don't kid myself that the4re also some poor examples of Male Chief and high ranking officers, many of those have spent very little time on active police work and have known to be womanisers. One of those such officers came from the Met to be Chief  Constable in Manchester some years ago.

It is a sad fact that the Met has not been doing itself any favours for many years and Cressida Dick was never going to help matters.

What’s maternity leave got to do with experience!   Experience is not always related to the time in post.  There are also lots who have been in roles for a long time and have chosen not to upset the status quo.  There are so few managers who could make a difference, but choose not to as they are too focused on the next promotion, their career path and avoiding conflict.  
 

With the recent convictions being lower ranks, statistically, I can’t believe there are not some senior ranks who are equally bad apples but have so far managed to go undetected.   

[Reasonable Man + 1,230]

15 hours ago, Zulu 22 said:

In the Police Service a good manager has to have been through the ranks and know the job and have the experience. There has always been problems within the Met because it is so easy for a bad one to "Hide in Plain Sight".   IT may sound sexist but at the last count some 40% of Chief Officers were females, so do they have the strength of character to Police or have they become indoctrinated with the Social Work ethos.  I am not sure which one it is but at least one has 3 children, with three lots of maternity leave, so how long has she been on leave and where has she gained the necessary experience.  I don't kid myself that the4re also some poor examples of Male Chief and high ranking officers, many of those have spent very little time on active police work and have known to be womanisers. One of those such officers came from the Met to be Chief  Constable in Manchester some years ago.

It is a sad fact that the Met has not been doing itself any favours for many years and Cressida Dick was never going to help matters.

Mysogony and racism are the two biggest failings in policing. Both ingrained over many years. 

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On 18/03/2023 at 21:43, Zulu 22 said:

In the Police Service a good manager has to have been through the ranks and know the job and have the experience. There has always been problems within the Met because it is so easy for a bad one to "Hide in Plain Sight".   IT may sound sexist but at the last count some 40% of Chief Officers were females, so do they have the strength of character to Police or have they become indoctrinated with the Social Work ethos.  I am not sure which one it is but at least one has 3 children, with three lots of maternity leave, so how long has she been on leave and where has she gained the necessary experience.  I don't kid myself that the4re also some poor examples of Male Chief and high ranking officers, many of those have spent very little time on active police work and have known to be womanisers. One of those such officers came from the Met to be Chief  Constable in Manchester some years ago.

It is a sad fact that the Met has not been doing itself any favours for many years and Cressida Dick was never going to help matters.

Do you think you need to reflect on your views towards women? Your post could be taken to be blaming women leaders for not challenging the likes of Carrick and Couzens due to a “lack of strength of character” or due to having time off on maternity. I’m not sure that’s helpful or fair.