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3 hours ago, Fedster said:

A YOUTUBER says he was 'locked up for five hours' in Kidderminster after filming outside the police station.

https://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/19847942.youtuber-auditing-britain-arrested-filming-kidderminster-police-station/

Whilst he is an annoying imbecile, he is right that he can film in public. 

The officer over reacted and it’s quite obvious that it’s not hostile reconnaissance, so the use of Terrorism Legislation just wasn’t justified. 

I suspect West Mercia will pay out again. 

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It’s a shame they are likely to make money from the very folks they seem to despise 

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15 hours ago, Ether said:

Whilst he is an annoying imbecile, he is right that he can film in public. 

The officer over reacted and it’s quite obvious that it’s not hostile reconnaissance, so the use of Terrorism Legislation just wasn’t justified. 

I suspect West Mercia will pay out again. 

The fact that someone is filming the police station and that footage might be useful to a terrorist isn't enough. Google Earth might be useful to a terrorist, should everyone who has it installed be arrested too? You have to actually suspect they are a terrorist, otherwise you shouldn't be using that legislation. And the way I see it is, if you genuinely thought someone was a terrorist engaged in hostile activity, would you casually wander over for a chat? In my view, the legislation is being abused.

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5 hours ago, Equin0x said:

The fact that someone is filming the police station and that footage might be useful to a terrorist isn't enough. Google Earth might be useful to a terrorist, should everyone who has it installed be arrested too? You have to actually suspect they are a terrorist, otherwise you shouldn't be using that legislation. And the way I see it is, if you genuinely thought someone was a terrorist engaged in hostile activity, would you casually wander over for a chat? In my view, the legislation is being abused.

Thing is Equinox I believe Police Stations should be afforded better protections in law to prevent trespass, nuisance behaviour etc that impacts on their function than simply standard legislation. 

Victims of crime, witnesses, suspects even, sensitive information of all kinds is kept within police stations yet cops at best have civil trespass to deal with people who make an open nuisance of themselves and no power of removal outside of common law. 

I do harp on about byelaws alot but they're so useful for just regulating things sensibly, police stations should be afforded similar levels of protection as railway stations, airports etc. 

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14 minutes ago, Radman said:

Thing is Equinox I believe Police Stations should be afforded better protections in law to prevent trespass, nuisance behaviour etc that impacts on their function than simply standard legislation. 

Victims of crime, witnesses, suspects even, sensitive information of all kinds is kept within police stations yet cops at best have civil trespass to deal with people who make an open nuisance of themselves and no power of removal outside of common law. 

I do harp on about byelaws alot but they're so useful for just regulating things sensibly, police stations should be afforded similar levels of protection as railway stations, airports etc. 

Not disagreeing with the concept. It would be quite a challenge to get the right wording, as well as it being a refuge snd place of necessity for the public to go to.   

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Is it time for an auditor auditor YouTube channel?

Filming them filming us. I'm sure we could find some intrusive civilians to help. 

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2 hours ago, Radman said:

Thing is Equinox I believe Police Stations should be afforded better protections in law to prevent trespass, nuisance behaviour etc that impacts on their function than simply standard legislation. 

Victims of crime, witnesses, suspects even, sensitive information of all kinds is kept within police stations yet cops at best have civil trespass to deal with people who make an open nuisance of themselves and no power of removal outside of common law. 

I do harp on about byelaws alot but they're so useful for just regulating things sensibly, police stations should be afforded similar levels of protection as railway stations, airports etc. 

Could you give an example scenario where the current laws aren't strong enough to deal with those issues?

 

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5 minutes ago, Equin0x said:

Could you give an example scenario where the current laws aren't strong enough to deal with those issues?

 

I think there are countless videos of so called auditors distracting people typing to conduct their duties, many are just causing a nuisance, with no value added. 

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2 hours ago, Equin0x said:

Could you give an example scenario where the current laws aren't strong enough to deal with those issues?

 

Oaky, I'll give it a go.  Accidents or catastrophes rarely happen as a result of a single event, but a combination or cascade of almost unrelated events.  Lets stay on topic with our awkward videoers hovering around the station, recording in a not interlay pleasant way, merely hovering to record the comings and goings of the MOPs can be quite intimidating to some of them.  And on this occasion the video is running as a cautious witness who is being subjected to abuse or intimidation, decides that NOW is the moment they will break the mould and go into the station., if I don't do it now then I never will  Having negotiated the video team that person is now wondering if their abuser/intimidator is involved with the video team, will the video of them attending the station be leaked on purpose of by coincidence on the web.  
Not only has that person got to deal with it on their way to the station, they now spend their time at the station wondering who or what is awaiting them as they leave.  Will that annoying video team follow them, will they try and confront them as they seem to have done towards the uniformed officer as they watched out of the window.  
That type of avoidable and wholly unnecessary factors so easily will end up causing the distressed witness/vitcim deciding that the video team is just one too many hurdles to them going to the police station.   They are already under duress or harassment and they last thing they want or need is that added burden.  
And, imagine the officer in the station discussing it with the victim, saying 'I know, they are a low life amoeba and I'm so sorry but they are entitled to be there and annoy people and there is nothing we can do".  How would that distressed victim / witness now feel when the officer is trying to get them to put their evidence to paper and trying to say that everything will  be okay and it's the right thing to do?

You get the drift I'm sure!

 

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2 hours ago, Equin0x said:

Could you give an example scenario where the current laws aren't strong enough to deal with those issues?

 

Examples I've seen videos of auditors "planking" in police car parks, drones flying close to Upper floor windows, filming of people at enquiry desks who are at the police station for who knows what reason, auditors actively trespassing within premesis without fear of being prosecuted because as every auditor quotes adinfinitum "Trespass is a civil matter."

Police stations aren't regular buildings, there is a host of issues surrounding them and they should be rightly protected under specialist legislation, just as other key infrastructures are and have been for over a hundred years. 

Can you tell me given the data protection element taken into consideration alone why these premesis SHOULDN'T be subject to byelaws regulating access just as the railway has for example? 

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28 minutes ago, BlueBob said:

Oaky, I'll give it a go.  Accidents or catastrophes rarely happen as a result of a single event, but a combination or cascade of almost unrelated events.  Lets stay on topic with our awkward videoers hovering around the station, recording in a not interlay pleasant way, merely hovering to record the comings and goings of the MOPs can be quite intimidating to some of them.  And on this occasion the video is running as a cautious witness who is being subjected to abuse or intimidation, decides that NOW is the moment they will break the mould and go into the station., if I don't do it now then I never will  Having negotiated the video team that person is now wondering if their abuser/intimidator is involved with the video team, will the video of them attending the station be leaked on purpose of by coincidence on the web.  
Not only has that person got to deal with it on their way to the station, they now spend their time at the station wondering who or what is awaiting them as they leave.  Will that annoying video team follow them, will they try and confront them as they seem to have done towards the uniformed officer as they watched out of the window.  
That type of avoidable and wholly unnecessary factors so easily will end up causing the distressed witness/vitcim deciding that the video team is just one too many hurdles to them going to the police station.   They are already under duress or harassment and they last thing they want or need is that added burden.  
And, imagine the officer in the station discussing it with the victim, saying 'I know, they are a low life amoeba and I'm so sorry but they are entitled to be there and annoy people and there is nothing we can do".  How would that distressed victim / witness now feel when the officer is trying to get them to put their evidence to paper and trying to say that everything will  be okay and it's the right thing to do?

You get the drift I'm sure!

 

I do. So do you not want people being able to film police stations at all? Making them similar in status to a military base or GCHQ regarding sensitive location and filming?

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38 minutes ago, Radman said:

Examples I've seen videos of auditors "planking" in police car parks, drones flying close to Upper floor windows, filming of people at enquiry desks who are at the police station for who knows what reason, auditors actively trespassing within premesis without fear of being prosecuted because as every auditor quotes adinfinitum "Trespass is a civil matter."

Police stations aren't regular buildings, there is a host of issues surrounding them and they should be rightly protected under specialist legislation, just as other key infrastructures are and have been for over a hundred years. 

Can you tell me given the data protection element taken into consideration alone why these premesis SHOULDN'T be subject to byelaws regulating access just as the railway has for example? 

I do see the argument for additional protections but I don't want people losing the right to film the police. Is there really no other way to address some of the problems you mention? Filming people at enquiry desks seems like something that could border on obstructing a police officer, if they are uncomfortable talking to you while being filmed by an auditor. What's the drone thing about, are they camera drones trying to record any documents visible through the window or just being a general nuisance flying around?

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They can come a cropper as this case showed when an Auditor trespassed on Private Police property.

http://Auditor who trespassed Macclesfield Police Station given five year Criminal Behaviour Order | Cheshire Constabulary

I make no apology for re posting this from the 14th December. 

An auditor who trespassed Macclesfield Police Station has to adhere to a Criminal Behaviour Order (CBO).

Lee Tench entered the clearly marked private property car park wearing a balaclava and used his mobile phone to film the inside of police cars and putting the footage on social media.

The 35-year-old social media blogger, from Telford was approached by two police officers who calmly explained to him that he was committing an offence of aggravated trespass under Section 68 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 and would be arrested should he refuse to leave the car park.

When he refused to comply with the instruction to leave the premises he was promptly arrested.

The incident happened at around 5.30pm on Wednesday 11 August 2021.

Tench was charged and pleaded guilty to aggravated trespass. He was subsequently fined and ordered to pay associated court costs.

Upon his conviction Cheshire Constabulary sought the imposition of a CBO.

On Friday 10 December Crewe Magistrates Court granted the CBO effective immediately for a period of five years.

Tench is prohibited from:

Entering any police station or police building including car parks and vehicles belonging to the police unless it is an emergency or to report a crime

Using video or audio recording equipment to film any police officer or inside any police stations, police buildings, police car parks and police vehicles with the intention to disrupt or obstruct the police from their lawful activities

Loitering within the immediate vicinity of any police station, police building, police car park or police vehicle with or without video or audio recording equipment unless it’s an emergency or to report a crime

Wearing any kind of balaclava or similar item with the purpose of obscuring your identity inside any police station or police building or within the immediate vicinity of such a place

PC Brett Oliver, from Macclesfield Local Policing Unit, said: “Auditing, or police auditing, has been a national craze whereby members of the public film police stations, or facilities and wait for members of staff or offers to interact with them

“Videos of these interactions are uploaded onto social media to attract large numbers of followers.

“There is clear signage on the car park entry barriers and on the wall of the police station stating that there is no access to the public.

“Tench knew he was trespassing and admitted to entering the grounds of the police station despite noticing these signs that state the public must not enter.

“He believed he was above the law and could film police buildings and vehicles to put on YouTube but this is simply not the case.

“After he was sentenced we applied for a CBO which is designed to stop this type of behaviour.

“If Tench breaches the terms of his CBO then that is a criminal offence that carries a maximum term of imprisonment of five years.

“I hope that the CBO imposed on Tench has the desired effect and deters him from committing this offence again.

“This should also send a strong message to other auditors who think that they can gain access to the grounds of a private police station and seek out officers and obstruct their policing activities for the sole purpose of ‘likes’ on social media.”

Anyone who encounters Tench breaching the restrictions is asked to contact Cheshire Constabulary online to report it.

Cheshire Constabulary will robustly deal with individuals who seek to intimidate, deter, obstruct or disrupt the lawful activities of others.

We are committed to taking firm action against individuals who trespass on our property and risk security of buildings and our staff.

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1 hour ago, Equin0x said:

I do. So do you not want people being able to film police stations at all? Making them similar in status to a military base or GCHQ regarding sensitive location and filming?

Military bases aren’t covered by special legislation, only a select few sites like GCHQ, Hereford etc. 

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