Port of Tilbury-Police Constable

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Well one of its Executive producers is doing time. Was a poor series, no real understanding of how the police do their job, or powers or anything else. It could of been better.

A constable Gabriel kent the late 2004 episode reminded me of somebody in the news recently. Hmm

Sniper assassin. I saw a lttle of it at the time, I remember nothing of it now.

 

 

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7 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

Well one of its Executive producers is doing time. Was a poor series, no real understanding of how the police do their job, or powers or anything else. It could of been better.

A constable Gabriel kent the late 2004 episode reminded me of somebody in the news recently. Hmm

Sniper assassin. I saw a lttle of it at the time, I remember nothing of it now.

 

 

And yet, it was regarded as one of the best police series of it's time. 

I think the key thing to remember here is that this is television and the crew need to make it both believable and watchable. I dare say if they started talking about the intricacies of PACE or bail management then viewers would have quickly turned it off. 

It needed to have the right blend of suspense (granted sometimes daft) and a bit of realism which I think it did well. 

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Perhaps, but many episodes showed the fake constables searching a place, and rights are important. At least it would of helped about knowing to remain silent and or anything said would be used as evidence if a suspect ended up in a court, in the early years of the series and later.

And nobody would of kept thinking of the American system, as people would know what to expect, if they ever got into trouble or simply questioned somewhere.

People thinking lying is a problem, when it isn't, and or that they must give a name and an address, they need to question what a constable is after, not just submit easily. The Bill failed to teach and entertain the public, treated everybody like fools.

Well funny how PC kent was predicted, just a different set of events and position. How sad.

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5 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

Perhaps, but many episodes showed the fake constables searching a place, and rights are important. At least it would of helped about knowing to remain silent and or anything said would be used as evidence if a suspect ended up in a court, in the early years of the series and later.

And nobody would of kept thinking of the American system, as people would know what to expect, if they ever got into trouble or simply questioned somewhere.

People thinking lying is a problem, when it isn't, and or that they must give a name and an address, they need to question what a constable is after, not just submit easily. The Bill failed to teach and entertain the public, treated everybody like fools.

Well funny how PC kent was predicted, just a different set of events and position. How sad.

Good grief. It was a TV drama 😂😂. 

Have you really been burnt that badly and have the anti-Police rhetoric with so much vehemence that you’re mixing reality with entirely fictitious characters and script-writing 😳. 

Edited June 11, 2021 by BizzieBee

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I  have to say that I fully agree with @BizzieBeeon this. 

7 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

Perhaps, but many episodes showed the fake constables searching a place, and rights are important. At least it would of helped about knowing to remain silent and or anything said would be used as evidence if a suspect ended up in a court, in the early years of the series and later.

The 'fake' constables (what we call actors and actresses) were searching a place because that's what the script told them to do. When suspects in the show were arrested they were given the police caution which would have explained this "You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence." Granted occasionally they might have said 'you're nicked' which was wrong but still. I think the key thing to remember is that on any show that involves the law and policing they have to have a police advisor who reviews and advises the writers and directing staff to make sure that anything done is in a lawful sense and cannot be portrayed incorrectly. 

7 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

People thinking lying is a problem, when it isn't, and or that they must give a name and an address, they need to question what a constable is after, not just submit easily. The Bill failed to teach and entertain the public, treated everybody like fools.

I suspect that this will be based on your own experiences hence the concerns with the show. There were times when the suspect 'actors and actresses' were scripted to do this, perhaps not as common as you'd like but it did happen.  

What you also need to remember is that the show ran from 1983 to 2010 for most if not all of that time people actually liked the police and felt they did a great job. People didn't feel the need to be obstructive to the police, it's only really within the last 10-15 years that things have changed for the worse in my opinion.  

Ultimately the show was loved and watched by a LOT of people, it was a staple for most people to get home and watch (myself included although it was bedtime after 🙂). Don't get me wrong their was times I thought it was a bit daft but I never questioned the legal or procedural sense of the writing as it was always so strong. 

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2 hours ago, XA84 said:

a police advisor who reviews and advises the writers and directing staff to make sure that anything done is in a lawful sense and cannot be portrayed incorrectly. 

I must be watching the wrong programmes, or I need my eyes fixing 😀

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Could've! 

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So the OP is confused that acting isn't real life?

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20 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

Perhaps, but many episodes showed the fake constables searching a place, and rights are important. At least it would of helped about knowing to remain silent and or anything said would be used as evidence if a suspect ended up in a court, in the early years of the series and later.

And nobody would of kept thinking of the American system, as people would know what to expect, if they ever got into trouble or simply questioned somewhere.

People thinking lying is a problem, when it isn't, and or that they must give a name and an address, they need to question what a constable is after, not just submit easily. The Bill failed to teach and entertain the public, treated everybody like fools.

Well funny how PC kent was predicted, just a different set of events and position. How sad.

It’s a TV show...

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What everybody seems to forget is, we only know what has happened due to people having video evidence. Prior to that time, there was no evidence of questionable police. Crimebodge may of created anti police and many who know nothing of the law, myself included, all seem to be anti police, just like that, but their experiences show why the police is disliked, and a tv series can be entertaining and informative so the public don't start quoting American television cop shops. You have the right to remain silent, I frequently keep reading on youtube clips, when there is no right in the UK to so. A person suspect or who ever can remain silent, but there is no right.

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4 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

What everybody seems to forget is, we only know what has happened due to people having video evidence. Prior to that time, there was no evidence of questionable police. Crimebodge may of created anti police and many who know nothing of the law, myself included, all seem to be anti police, just like that, but their experiences show why the police is disliked, and a tv series can be entertaining and informative so the public don't start quoting American television cop shops. You have the right to remain silent, I frequently keep reading on youtube clips, when there is no right in the UK to so. A person suspect or who ever can remain silent, but there is no right.

School day - ‘You have the right to remain silent, I frequently keep reading on youtube clips, when there is no right in the UK to so.’ 

American ‘caution’ (Miranda) starts, ‘You have the right to remain silent’ 

British caution starts, ‘You do not have to say anything…’

Know here’s the learning point - remaining silent and not saying anything IS THE SAME THING. So in the U.K. you do have the same right as American perps. 

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Ah I see this ridiculous post has seen life again... 

9 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

Crimebodge may of created anti police and many who know nothing of the law, myself included, all seem to be anti police, just like that, but their experiences show why the police is disliked

I can guarantee that that a very small percentage, likely something like 0.1% will know about the likes of Crimebodge or other YouTube streams/websites. What you need to understand is that not everyone seems to hate the police as you clearly do. Most people like the police and believe they do a good job, granted there are those who continuously complain about the police until they are needed and then praise them after the police have been utilised but to go back to my original statement - most people like the police. There is only the likes of those who believe they are 'freemen of the land' or people who have sadly had a bad experience with the police which I'm guessing is yourself that dislike them. 

It seems clear to me that your issue is with people not understanding that they do not have to say anything to the police when being stopped/cautioned/arrested. But as @Reasonable Man +has rightly said if you actually read or listen to the official police caution you are told straight away that you do not have to say anything, however it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something that you may later rely on it court. 

I'm willing to bet though if you were involved in a crime you'd be the first person to ring the police though and report it. 

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The issue isn't the hate of the police, it is the fact that somebody like crimebodge has shown, the misplaced view that we all have, without realising, that there isn't that sort of noble image everybody has been portrayed about the instituion, and even television gives a false sense of security, alright mate, you're fecking nicked, down the station, lovely jubbly. Many may do a good job, but at the end of the day, the legislation allows those who are in the police to be over reaching, some very questionable characters in the services, his channel makes a person think, if they have never thought about it before.

Sure that is what it is, but decades back it was different, and even in police interviews it was too about remaining silent.

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14 hours ago, XA84 said:

Ah I see this ridiculous post has seen life again... 

I can guarantee that that a very small percentage, likely something like 0.1% will know about the likes of Crimebodge or other YouTube streams/websites. What you need to understand is that not everyone seems to hate the police as you clearly do. Most people like the police and believe they do a good job, granted there are those who continuously complain about the police until they are needed and then praise them after the police have been utilised but to go back to my original statement - most people like the police. There is only the likes of those who believe they are 'freemen of the land' or people who have sadly had a bad experience with the police which I'm guessing is yourself that dislike them. 

It seems clear to me that your issue is with people not understanding that they do not have to say anything to the police when being stopped/cautioned/arrested. But as @Reasonable Man +has rightly said if you actually read or listen to the official police caution you are told straight away that you do not have to say anything, however it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something that you may later rely on it court. 

I'm willing to bet though if you were involved in a crime you'd be the first person to ring the police though and report it. 

No, to respond to that, I didn't read that last sentence, I would think twice. Even if my life was in danger or could, I wouldn't think about reporting without thinking, could I meet the wrong individual, could it backfire, other people's experiences make you think about the agencies anywhere, even in Iceland. Only naive complainants, and suspects should consider that. Even that even makes any sense. Clearly, it doesn't.

 

 

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11 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

The issue isn't the hate of the police, it is the fact that somebody like crimebodge has shown, the misplaced view that we all have, without realising, that there isn't that sort of noble image everybody has been portrayed about the instituion, and even television gives a false sense of security, alright mate, you're fecking nicked, down the station, lovely jubbly. Many may do a good job, but at the end of the day, the legislation allows those who are in the police to be over reaching, some very questionable characters in the services, his channel makes a person think, if they have never thought about it before.

Sure that is what it is, but decades back it was different, and even in police interviews it was too about remaining silent.

The very fact that you're arguing over the fact that a TV show that started in the eighty's and ran very popularly for many moons tells me how moronic this topic is. It was a television show, that focused on policing granted but also had a lighter side of it as well, it wasn't just about the policy and procedure that I suspect you were hoping it would be it also followed the private lives too. If the show had just followed the policy and procedure and every single word to the letter then I dare say it wouldn't have had as long a run as what it did. 

Look at the likes of 'A Touch Of Frost, Line Of Duty, Cuffs etc. They were all tv dramas but they weren't always factually correct.

If you're not already aware, it's coming back by the way renamed as 'Sun Hill' and will star a lot of the old actors and actresses, so if I were you I'd start writing to the writers now to tell them that they have to make sure that everything is followed to the letter of the law and that cops are as you say generally hated and not trusted again as you say. Oh and don't forget that people don't have to say anything to the police as well. I dare say that the show wouldn't make it on air a week before being cancelled. 

If you want more realism then I suggest you start watching documentaries rather than drama.

Granted there are people in the service that are questionable, it's not something that I or I dare say anyone else within the force would like to admit, but on a whole the police are full of people that will happily help and deal with peoples issues in their hour of need to the best of their ability. Crimebodge or whatever they call themselves take a tiny snippet of the millions jobs that the police have to deal with and portray a situation that is usually nothing and turn it on its head so that the police have to be wrong, the very name of the channel implies this. 

11 hours ago, notapoliceforum said:

it is the fact that somebody like crimebodge has shown, the misplaced view that we all have, without realising.

Not everyone has this view though, I dare say only the people who watch their videos feel that way. Otherwise they wouldn't have 50-80k views they would be in their tens of millions. 

If you want to make the difference in how things are perceived and operated then do something about it, join your local government, write to the college of policing or even *gulp* join the police and advise people that before you're about to talk to them/arrest them that they don't have to give you any details... but coming on a police based forum and trying to argue your point about how The Bill didn't show what you perceived to be correct policing procedure is not the way to do it.