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[Wikicop20 + 186]

 

Interesting security firm for events, they seem to use blue lights and handcuffs.

I think they used to be discussed on PS.com a lot on another name?

P.S. - now renamed again to: https://interforce.org.uk/

 

Anyone got further info, their Twitter is empty, I am intrigued...?

[Radman + 2,163]

Blue lights can be used on private land by anyone, that is my understanding and the way they circumvent general emergency service exemption. 

Handcuffs again can be issued and used by anyone, SIA did offer some training courses in their use and I'd argue certain roles require them more than others but speaking as a cop its far safer to control someone handcuffed for both you and the individual detained than without. I personally don't see an issue with that. 

Its just another case of private security organisation pushing the limits of what is legal to push, I've never worked with TSG or this new outfit, closest I've come would be the Rail Enforcement officers of old uo my way who were extremely professional. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Radman

[BlueBob + 690]

Only whizzed over some of the video but didn't;t see any blues used, but they were off the road so not a problem even if they did - the challenge of course is how they deal with them on the road getting from A-B.  If they are as busy as the video suggests then any sensible business person would aim to be legit even if they fly close to the edge at times.  Only when they go over that edge do they become cowboys.

[Ether + 1,391]

2 hours ago, BlueBob said:

Only whizzed over some of the video but didn't;t see any blues used, but they were off the road so not a problem even if they did - the challenge of course is how they deal with them on the road getting from A-B.  If they are as busy as the video suggests then any sensible business person would aim to be legit even if they fly close to the edge at times.  Only when they go over that edge do they become cowboys.

Kill switch in the boot so they can’t be used would be likely, same as film set vehicles use

[Wikicop20 + 186]

Yes, looks like quite a professional (or at least got some good money & kit) outfit. I'm all for professional security, it's the future surely away from lower-trained, SIA badged, being paid a pittance guys. In Europe and the US armed, (as in firearms), as well as cuffs etc are all the more popular.

 Surprised there are not more firms like this. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Wilts20

[Wikicop20 + 186]

4 hours ago, BlueBob said:

Only whizzed over some of the video but didn't;t see any blues used, but they were off the road so not a problem even if they did - the challenge of course is how they deal with them on the road getting from A-B.  If they are as busy as the video suggests then any sensible business person would aim to be legit even if they fly close to the edge at times.  Only when they go over that edge do they become cowboys.

It seems the quads have them on and as they are probably on a trailer anyway when going to events, then as you say they are legit.

[Yoshay + 28]

They used to operate as "Definitive security" and had a rather flashy video on youtube showing them blue lighting around events and detaining people with handcuffs. The video was removed some time ago.

There is lots of information on definitive security and TSG if you do a google search. It appears there was some dispute over the use of the TSG name, along with  large document from the IPO should you wish to read it.

[Wikicop20 + 186]

3 hours ago, Yoshay said:

They used to operate as "Definitive security" and had a rather flashy video on youtube showing them blue lighting around events and detaining people with handcuffs. The video was removed some time ago.

There is lots of information on definitive security and TSG if you do a google search. It appears there was some dispute over the use of the TSG name, along with  large document from the IPO should you wish to read it.

Thanks, that was it, they were "Response Officers", as they also had regular guards and control room staff.

They also now have secure ambulances (for mental patients) called Secure24 or something.

[BlueBob + 690]

On 30/12/2020 at 18:41, Yoshay said:

 

There is lots of information on definitive security and TSG if you do a google search. It appears there was some dispute over the use of the TSG name, along with  large document from the IPO should you wish to read it.

Delayed response.  Can’t see any issue with the TSG abbreviation, not really a trademark and policing don’t have it as a limited company name, so more a perception than anything else. 
I was about to say a wise company might register themselves as TSG as a kick back at any police upset, but a quick check shows loads of companies regd as TSG in various formats.  
if they have the funds and clients then good on them.