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Met Police chief Cressida Dick admits her force wasn't ready for Extinction Rebellion protests as bill for policing demos rises to £7.5million

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ParochialYokal

The MET can hardly be to blame.

Extinction Rebellion did an excellent job of mobilising huge quantities of people as a protest movement on a global level within a short space of time.

Whatever your views of their protest behaviour, they did an excellent job of organising and mobilising the protests.

The MET could not have predicted this. However, now that such a methodology is better known it should be easier to take a more nuanced based approach to monitoring potential threats.

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obsidian_eclipse

Alot of European police forces can mobilise the equivalent number of officers as would consist in the entire of the UK. We simply don't have the numbers of officers available nor the same tactics and options as they do.

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ParochialYokal
Alot of European police forces can mobilise the equivalent number of officers as would consist in the entire of the UK. We simply don't have the numbers of officers available nor the same tactics and options as they do.

 

Interesting point about Euro-policing.

 

The epicentre of their protest- Oxford Circus- is a busy, yet containable area. Would we as a society want to mobilise shed loads of police, armed with water cannon and tear gas, to counter the threat in a style similar to the Guardia Civil or the CRS, or would we prefer to be a bit more ‘British’ about it? European public order methods aren’t pleasant yet get deployed against all citizens whom cause trouble, yet UK methods don’t generally involve being violent against all protestors (especially passively acting working and middle class participants).

 

Although such protests are often unlawful, it’s sometimes best just to allow people to let off steam.

 

The French love a good riot, yet the French Police forces are pretty good at quelling discontent. In my view, it sometimes ups the anti by immediately reacting with a heavy hand.

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Reasonable Man
The MET can hardly be to blame.

Extinction Rebellion did an excellent job of mobilising huge quantities of people as a protest movement on a global level within a short space of time.

Whatever your views of their protest behaviour, they did an excellent job of organising and mobilising the protests.

The MET could not have predicted this. However, now that such a methodology is better known it should be easier to take a more nuanced based approach to monitoring potential threats.

Perhaps they should have got a few UC’s to infiltrate the climate protestors, formed some relationships. Then they would have had the intelligence to be one step ahead.
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Interesting point about Euro-policing.
 
The epicentre of their protest- Oxford Circus- is a busy, yet containable area. Would we as a society want to mobilise shed loads of police, armed with water cannon and tear gas, to counter the threat in a style similar to the Guardia Civil or the CRS, or would we prefer to be a bit more ‘British’ about it? European public order methods aren’t pleasant yet get deployed against all citizens whom cause trouble, yet UK methods don’t generally involve being violent against all protestors (especially passively acting working and middle class participants).
 
Although such protests are often unlawful, it’s sometimes best just to allow people to let off steam.
 
The French love a good riot, yet the French Police forces are pretty good at quelling discontent. In my view, it sometimes ups the anti by immediately reacting with a heavy hand.
Very true. However it is then up the MET to say that in Britain we leave them to it for a week or so and let off steam.. but tough luck for the anyone trying to get on with their life.

Saying we are unprepared whilst honest is a bit of deflection as there are no other realistic options available. Its a clever use of words though but it does mean that the next time and the time after that we will be in exactly the same stew.

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I can't really see how Ms Dick can blame herself for the protests. Even if the Met was prepared, what could they have done that was any different: let's not forget the outcry over Boris Johnson buying water cannon that goodness me you can't use on protesters, certainly you can't take control any more since that's brutality and excess use of force.

So, other than having another 5,000 officers dancing with the protestors, what else could the Met have done?

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I can't really see how Ms Dick can blame herself for the protests. Even if the Met was prepared, what could they have done that was any different: let's not forget the outcry over Boris Johnson buying water cannon that goodness me you can't use on protesters, certainly you can't take control any more since that's brutality and excess use of force.
So, other than having another 5,000 officers dancing with the protestors, what else could the Met have done?
Provided a buffet and some lights?

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ParochialYokal
I can't really see how Ms Dick can blame herself for the protests. Even if the Met was prepared, what could they have done that was any different: let's not forget the outcry over Boris Johnson buying water cannon that goodness me you can't use on protesters, certainly you can't take control any more since that's brutality and excess use of force. So, other than having another 5,000 officers dancing with the protestors, what else could the Met have done?

 

 

The organisers basically run a recruitment campaign, whereby people whom were prepared to be arrested were allocated certain tasks. The net effect was that the MET didn’t have enough cells to deal with all of the people they arrested, of which a steady flow of recruits were waiting in the pipeline to get lifted.

 

It was a policing scenario that the MET could not have arrested its way out of.

 

Could they have kettled everyone in at Oxford Circus, whereby after a few hours of being deprived of food, drink and toilets some people would have been prepared to leave? Possibly.

 

I think that the organisers chose specific dates that minimised the impact on London. They occupied one bridge, but there were plenty of other bridges that could be used. They occupied a part of Westminster when Parliament wasn’t sitting. And they occupied Oxford Circus during a period that is historically a retail lul (Easter Weekend). They were also clever by threatening to protest at Heathrow, which diverted police resources away from the main protest sites, yet fielded teenage protestors (they never had any real intention of disrupting departures).

 

They made a very clever assessment that there wasn’t an overriding imperative to go in hard and clear them from central London.

 

There wasn’t actually a lot that the MET could have done differently.

 

Now we can look back retrospectively at Extinction Rebellion, what they did was extremely clever and well thought through.

 

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ParochialYokal

Perhaps they should have got a few UC’s to infiltrate the climate protestors, formed some relationships. Then they would have had the intelligence to be one step ahead.


Indeed.

Although such relationships would be ‘cyber relationships’ in the new world.

I am sure that if we fast forward five or ten years there will be a stream of women complaining that they felt violated and deceived after receiving a ‘d-pic’ from an undercover Officer following their unsolicited request to receive one.

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20 hours ago, ParochialYokal said:

Now we can look back retrospectively at Extinction Rebellion, what they did was extremely clever and well thought through.

 

Because the organiser and participants on the whole were well educated. Unlike the thick morns we normally deal with during public order situations.

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