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  1. Police Station Representatives, we have all had contact with them during Interviews, many of whom appear to be ex cops. Has anyone ever retired and gone this route? Is it a viable route to top up one’s pension? Interested in hearing anyones experiences.
  2. So, The THE POLICING AND CRIME Act is coming in December 2017 and will change the powers and procedures of the 136 & 135 mental health act significantly. Just wondering if your force is aware and has done anything about it? Ours has been working hard, but not really got anywhere. https://mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com covers all the changes pretty well. Key points - you can 136 in private and have a power of entry. (not dwelling) No children to police station under 136, ever. Not for any reason. Only 24h for assessment, rather than 72. Important - 24h begins when you arrive at the first place of safety. Even if they won't accept.(popping to ane for a few stitches? 24h just started!) To get a 136 into custody there needs an inspectors authority and constant or every 30 mins check by medical professional. And only if there is a fundamental threat to life by the person at that time. (so never going to happen) And you need to call a medical professional before 136 if possible. So the government are trying to get the NHS to take some MH slack. But we are still left holding the baby until they accept it.
  3. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/19/smacking-children-to-be-banned-in-scotland#comments This debate seems to have reared its head again following the announcement about the change to the law in Scotland. I have to say I don’t agree with it at all, of course people have their views on how to discipline children and what is best for their kids. I’m not sure criminalising people is going to help anything at all. What is typical of this sort of story is other than a sound bite and people patting each other on the back it does very little other than cause issues for many normal people. If there are cases of abuse then this is already covered by legislation and can be investigated robustly. This in effect would mean that a parent could never make any physical contact with a child (not just a smack) for fear of being criminalised. From a Policing point of view how would this be dealt with? In many occasions there would unlikely be any injury or corroborating evidence so how effective would this actually be? My concern would be that this could be counter productive and enable naughty and troubled children to have leverage over their parents or carers by potentially making false allegations or will further saturate the already saturated system with social services and potentially cause genuine abuse cases to slip through the net. Its a very complicated issue and one that there probably isn’t an answer that everyone will agree on.
  4. We've recently had a circulation going around reminding us of our responsibility to use our power to inspect vehicles that we seize for no insurance / otherwise in accordance / s59. Having emailed a few people I can't seem to get a straight answer from anybody. Usually when seizing a car I usually get the driver to show me all the compartments so I can note down what is being left. Does anyone know if there is an actual power that could be used in this instance and what do your forces have as standard practice for this?
  5. According to all documented evidence of UK law that I have seen, in the UK you can carry a knife, legally, which has smaller than 3 inch blade, does fold and doesn't lock into the open position. Why do I recall seeing posters somewhere saying something about carrying a knife with no other info other than mentioning average jail times? Am I missing something here? The only way I could rationalize it is that maybe the posters are to hopefully get kids or who ever, to stop carrying illegal knives maybe to make the streets safer? As part of my EDC I have all kinds of useful gadgets and gizmo's with me at all times, a light, little keychain sized multitools etc. I make sure everything I have is UK legal to avoid issues. So my knife is a Spyderco Bug, which is so small and so legal that you'd expect it to be from an action man toy, then a slightly bigger (but still stupidly small) knife on my keychain sized Leatherman Micra multitool, which while being of decent steel, it's a chisel ground blade and I am not a fan of those, so that is why I have my little Spyderco Bug, so that I have a "normal" edge on my knife. I assume the laws have not changed relating to every day carry of knives? Can someone comment on this? As far as I am aware I could have up to 3 inches in size, but any knife I have on me is a) way less than 3 inches in size because I only need a knife to be just big enough to be useful if I need to open something, b) folds, c) has no locking mechanism and d) is in my pocket organiser any way since I do not need a knife that often enough to need to be super quickly accessible. If anything has changed I will need to re-evaluate my EDC (every day carry) accordingly, but I really hope the limitations have not gotten any worse than the already mentioned stipulations? I doubt I have anything to be concerned about, but if I do, it would be a pain to try and find alternative tools that provide me the other things I want minus a knife :/
  6. Above is the Oath of Office taken by police officers in England. My question: When police officers take their oath of office to deal with people in accordance with law (i.e. common law/law of the land), how can police officers enforce acts of Parliament? It's not what they are there for according to the oath.
  7. miffy

    Assault or Battery?

    So during my training, we've come across the definitions and I am confused what is the difference is and how to visualise these. Which offence is consider more severe? Assault: " An assault is any act where a person intentionally or recklessly causes another person to apprehend immediate and unlawful personal violence" Battery: "Battery is where a person intentionally or recklessly applies unlawful force to another person"
  8. Tim

    Judge John Deed

    What does anyone think of the TV series Judge John Deed? I never miss an episode, (the fact Caroline Langrishe is in it is purely coincidental ). Storylines seem a bit OTT with Deed's ex and current / ex lover before him, but its good fun to watch. Martin Shaw seems to bring whatever part he plays come to life and really makes you believe he really is the character he's playing.
  9. Sir Penguin

    Public transport offences

    I have a shift next week and it will be working with the bus companies in the city centre to tackle anti social behaviour and other crimes on bus routes and at the stations. A question for those more experienced or anyone who has experience in this area. What offences am I likely to come across? This will be my first time doing a shift that only relates around public transport so it will be new to me and I'd like to brush up on a few areas before I'm let loose!
  10. I'm glad this has been put on the back burner for now, the Scottish Government didn't seem to have any clear plans for what to do after abolishing the requirement for corroboration and turning the Scottish legal system on its head. I'm sure we will see this proposal brought up again and I'm a bit disappointed a number of other provisions that are going to effectively make our legal system much more like that down south are going to be included.
  11. Hi guys, Often, when having stopped people or whatever in the process of investigating an offence, they will get their phone's out and call somebody for seemingly innocent reasons, or their phone will ring and they will go to answer it. I have always been told to get them to put the phone away in case they are signalling their mates to come round to where they are, or if they are colluding with somebody in order to disrupt our investigation of an offence. However, this got me thinking. So far, everybody i have told to put their phone away has apologised and put it away immediately. But lets say they refuse, what legal backing do I have to actually make them put the phone away, or for instance, take the phone off them temporarily? I can understand if I have somebody detained for a search, then I believe I may have some legal backing there to order them off the phone, or take it off them. But for instance the other day, we have a group of males stopped in a pub garden while we tried to ascertain whether they'd been involved in an offence. One of them was being rung incessantly by his girlfriend, to whom he eventually picked up and my colleague stated "Put it away mate, not while you're the subject of an investigation". Lets say he refused, is it an empty situation in that I have to just let him carry on? Or is there something we can do to enforce our request?
  12. A family's private CCTV cameras caught a toddler's horrendous hit-and-run, but what are the potential pitfalls of filming outside your house? It's every family's nightmare. Toddler Lucie Wilding was following her mother to the car to go on the school run when she was hit by a cyclist who was riding on the pavement, and dragged along the floor. The cyclist fell off his bike, before riding away without an apology. Lucie escaped with cuts and bruises - and the whole thing was captured on the family's home CCTV. The horrific footage powerfully shows the dangers of cycling on pavements, and has played a part in a public campaign to identify the cyclist responsible. It's an interesting argument for the benefits of home CCTV. The police are also keen to encourage use of CCTV. Earlier this year Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, head of London's Metropolitan Police, said more homeowners should install CCTV cameras outside their houses. He said homeowners and businesses could help the police to solve crimes, and encouraged people to install them at eye-level so facial recognition could be used to identify criminals. Advertisement But is it worth it? And what are the potential pitfalls? •Shocking CCTV shows Buckingham Palace Guard and other soldier stamping on victim - but they still walk free from court •Google and Apple urge Obama to block smartphone surveillance Cost-benefit analysis Domestic CCTV can be installed for as little as £50, so it's potentially a cheap way of improving security at your home. You can spend thousands on a top-of-the range system, and this could pay dividends if you ever need to use to footage to identify a criminal suspect. It's worth making sure the camera is high enough quality, and a good CCTV installer should be able to advise you on the best place to install cameras. Your system can be wired or wireless, depending on your budget. Wired cameras are cheaper but wireless ones can be more convenient - although an interrupted internet connection can mean lost footage. You can store images on a hard drive or separate digital recorder. As well as the obvious benefits for your peace of mind, and the help it provides when catching criminals, the security systems can deter potential burglars, keeping your insurance premiums down. CCTV: Failed ATM theft in Queenland, Australia CCTV captured this failed ATM theft in Australia (Photo: ITN) Will it stop crime? The jury is still out on the actual effectiveness of CCTV in public spaces, but it seems to have the biggest deterrent effect in pre-planned crime, so a visible camera may stop your house being specifically targeted. Research has also showed that it helps police identify and catch offenders, so it could help catch whoever is behind a series of crimes, such as vandalism or anti-social behaviour. Police advice says that for private households, better lighting, alarm systems or locks are more important to security than a CCTV system. You can also get arguably the same deterrent effect with a dummy CCTV camera - but experienced thieves may not be fooled. Dr Dean Wilson, Associate Professor in Criminology and Criminal Justice Studies at the University of Plymouth, says that home CCTV might prove to be worth it in cases like Lucie's. "If they've got their own CCTV outside their house capturing their little girl being knocked down, then that seems a good piece of evidence," he says. Sir Bernard extolled the virtues of private CCTV because they can help the police solve crimes like burglary or robbery. You might think they could also be useful to catch things happening outside your home, such as antisocial behaviour, or traffic incidents like Lucie's hit-and-run. But many people don't realise that you now have to be very careful about what you film and where your cameras are pointing. Why private CCTV could be breaking the law Pointing a security camera at the pavement, road, or neighbour's property could put you in breach of the Data Protection Act or harassment law. In December an EU ruling said that private homeowners filming outside their own property are no longer covered by exemptions to the Act - which means filming the pavement or road could get you into serious trouble. Following Sir Bernard's advice might even cause a problem, as an eye-level camera could be more likely to be filming things outside the edge of your property. Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said more households should install CCTV (Photo: Justin Tallis) An ICO spokesman said that the new guidance means people have to be careful about where they film. “Operators must operate within the law, for instance by making sure that their use and the siting of cameras is well justified, that the information they are collecting is not excessive, that it is only kept until it is no longer required and that it is kept secure.” If you're careful, it's still possible to install such a camera, but it's best to ask the ICO for advice first. If you break the rules, you could get embroiled in proceedings which could end in a contempt of court charge - a serious offence which could put you in prison. It's also worth noting that the ICO have never yet prosecuted anyone for contempt of court under data protection law. But there's a chance that the laws surrounding home CCTV could be tightened. Last December surveillance camera commissioner Tony Porter said he might recommend further regulation to government amid increasing concerns about domestic CCTV. And what about privacy? Privacy expert Kate McMullan, associate at law firm Hogan Lovells, says its still unclear what the implications might be for ordinary people. "You have to be very careful about how you process and store the footage you record. In particular, you must let people know that you are using CCTV, for example by putting a sign up, and not use CCTV in areas where people would normally expect privacy. We're still not sure how the new rules are going to impact on homeowners in practice, and how strongly this ruling will be enforced." If your camera is pointed directly at a neighbour's property they could also complain that you're compromising their privacy under the Human Rights Act. If they do, and you can't resolve it yourselves, it could become a police matter. The ICO say that the majority of complaints they receive are where there is a dispute over CCTV cameras filming a neighbour's property. If you live in a rented house or flat, you also need to ask your landlord before you install anything. The ICO says you should still consider whether CCTV is wholly necessary, and says you should consider whether extra lighting, alarms or locks can solve your security concerns. Make sure you're not recording audio, as this is very intrusive. And there are also tight restrictions on publishing the footage you collect online. 'Gherkin' and Canary Wharf at sunrise in the City of London CCTV is used in many private housing complexes (Photo: PA) There are ethical considerations, too. Dr Wilson says that domestic CCTV raises questions about privacy in homes. "In blocks of flats there are push buttons where you can see the person, it's everywhere in Canary Wharf, so it's relatively common," he says. But people might be particularly uncomfortable about CCTV on private houses. "It's an obvious way in which people realise that our homes are not a safe little cocoon all the time, and there might actually be people looking into there." A Big Brother world So home CCTV can be useful - but make sure you know the rules before you set it up. Don't film beyond the boundaries of your property unless you have a very good reason, prioritise basic security like locks and lighting, and definitely don't film other people's homes. And, says Dr Wilson, think about what constant surveillance says about our society. "It something that starts to make people think that it's all getting rather Big Brother. It raises a lot of questions about the society we live in." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11622935/Should-you-install-CCTV-outside-your-home.html
  13. These know it alls, really get me angry! Well handled by the officer I say.
  14. To prevent a complete hijack of @Krycek topic of thought I'd start a new one as I'd never herd the term before. As I understand it they have no actual legal status and are perhaps slightly bias towards the protesters. Has anyone had any dealings? Positive or negative experiences?
  15. There's a story here in the mirror where it appears that police have smashed a van window to obtain keys, open the door and arrest the driver. They appear to have reached an impasse where the driver won't give details and is filming them through a window. He also appears to be using a Freeman "quote me the legislation, that's an act and not a law" If we can ignore the fact that the actual incident depicted is in Scotland and assume it was England & Wales Law for the sake of discussion. I understand section 163 - power to stop and obtain details of a driver of a vehicle. I think that when these are refused the man is arrestable under section 24 of PACE. I understand section 117 of pace - power to use force if necessary My question is whether are there any other considerations with regard to using force against the vehicle (i.e. the power of entry). Thanks, Steve __________________________________________________________________________________ Watch moment police officer smashes protesting van driver's window and takes his keys 22:02, 17 March 2015 By David Taylor A video has emerged of a police officer smashing the window of a van after the driver refuses to get out. The footage starts with the white van man using what is believed to be a mobile phone to record two officers in his wing mirror as he sits by the side of a busy road. One officer then approaches the vehicle and says: "Can I ask you just to confirm for the last time, you are not going to give us your details." The man refuses, asking the Police Scotland officer to cite the law which requires him to do so - while also refusing the cop's request to step out of the van, our Scottish sister paper the Daily Record reported. The officer then tells the man he is going to be arrested, before smashing a driver side window, and reaching in to take the keys out of the ignition which then he uses to open the door. The driver then says: “You canny be doing that, like" before he is pulled from the van. The 90-second clip titled ‘Don’t try to get smart with a Scottish police officer’ has caused a stir on social media, and has had over 21,000 views since it was posted on LiveLeak a few days ago. It is not clear where or when the clip was filmed, and ends as the driver is being bundled out of the van. Police Scotland have been contacted for comment but have not yet replied. Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/watch-moment-police-officer-smashes-5353241
  16. Marty McFly

    Section 12 licensing act 1872

    From reading the act it is an offence to be drunk... Is this still in force and if so is there a power of arrest?
  17. sheepmouse91

    Swearing at the police?

    Hi, im new to the forum. Just curious as to whats so wrong with swearing at the police and why do people get arrested for it? Is it because the police dont want to seem to look like pushovers and are just using there power? Thanks for any responses
  18. liamhopkins87

    Scottish Law

    Hi guys, My first post on here so please bear with, I am through to the assesment centre for Grampian Police which i am chuffed about. I am however at a slight disadvantage in the sense that, I live in England and for the past 25 years have lived by english law. Does anybody have any good websites or suggestions on scottish law differences. In my interview they pointed out that this is an area I need to look into. I plan to go up to Aberdeen a few days before my interview and have organised meetings with current police officers just to try and gather information more than anything. Any help / guidance will be greatly received Liam.
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