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  1. Mazza

    Brexit Discussion

    We had a big topic running for the general election , so I thought I'd create one for our next big vote as a nation. So the question is... Brexit or Bremain? Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  2. Brexit deemed 'bad guy' after postponement of news on grant settlement. All-consuming Brexit is being blamed for the government pulling the plug on announcing next year’s round of police funding. And the Home Office came under fire from former Shadow Policing Minister Jack Dromey for the “unacceptable” delay in delivering news on the 2019-20 grant settlement. Forces in England and Wales had been expecting to discover yesterday afternoon whether they would receive a cash boost. But Home Secretary Sajid Javid's much-anticipated Commons statement was postponed – as MPs found themselves stuck in the middle of five days debating whether Britain will finally exit the EU, and under what terms and conditions. Birmingham Erdington MP Mr Dromey told Police Oracle: “This government is abjectly failing to make the big decisions this country needs. "All consumed by its abysmal failure to negotiate a Brexit deal, it has now pulled the announcement of funding for our increasingly stretched police service. “The police desperately need funding to keep the public safe and certainty over how many officers they can recruit going forward. “This delay is simply unacceptable.” The next funding settlement is considered vital for policing, with violent crime rising and many forces saying they are struggling to cope with low officer numbers and scant resources. Policing is set for a “double your money” council tax windfall to fight the rising tide of violent crime as officer number forecasts for Britain’s biggest force predict the lowest level since 2002 – unless funding increases. London mayor Sadiq Khan was due to meet Home Secretary Sajid Javid this week to discuss the police funding settlement for next year, amid reports a provisional agreement has been brokered with Chancellor Philip Hammond and Communities Secretary James Brokenshire to increase the precept charged by local authorities on behalf of forces. The amount police and crime commissioners will be able to impose will rise from £1 a month to £2 a month from April 2019 – an extra £24 per household each year – which could raise around £450 million for forces in England and Wales, according to the report. It is not the first time the government has delayed an issue relating to law and order. In October a Commons debate on banning offensive weapons was pushed back after another Brexit debate dragged on. The latest criticism follows a stand-off earlier this week in the Commons when Policing Minister Nick Hurd deflected questions on police pay and pensions from 16 different MPs – by repeatedly telling them to wait for the “imminent” funding settlement. He told them the government had raised £460 million for the police service this year and chiefs should look forward to the funding announcement soon. Shadow Policing Minister Louise Haigh quizzed him about reported leaks the upcoming settlement will deliver a real terms cut. The government has altered the wording of its claims about police funding since March when UK Statistics Authority chairman Sir David Norgrove rebuked the Prime Minster for making “misleading” comments suggesting central government was providing an "extra £450m for the police". Theresa May was referring to £130 million top sliced from police budgets for national police priorities, £50m in counter-terrorism funding and a potential £270m that could be raised if all police and crime commissioners decide to raise local council tax precepts by £12. Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott has accused Mr Hurd of “blurring the facts” by “deliberately and consistently confusing money raised locally by taxpayers with money from central government". The Home Office was not available for comment when Police Oracle contacted the department. View on Police Oracle
  3. Road to new legislation is far from smooth for campaigners The chaos that has engulfed Parliament amid Brexit may hinder the progress of eagerly awaited draft laws which would enhance legal protection for officers who pursue helmetless moped riders. The Police Federation for England and Wales (PFEW) cautiously welcomed the news last May that the Home Office was drafting legislation to ensure skilled police drivers are “protected”. PFEW was awaiting the results of the government’s consultation when it received the news there will no longer be time in the parliamentary diary because Brexit-related work must take priority. Instead, the Home Office hopes the same ends will be achieved through Sir Henry Bellingham’s Emergency Response Drivers private members bill. It was originally introduced as a ten-minute bill in December 2017 but was shelved after government objections in March. The bill was due to have its second reading on November 23 but Sir Christopher Chope, who is notorious for blocking private member’s bill on principle, raised an objection. Sir Christopher invoked the ire of activists earlier this year when he blocked the progress of a bill to make upskirting a separate offence and Finn’s Law, which would increase the penalties for those who injure police animals. This, however, did not stop him submitting several of his own private members bills last month. The Emergency Response Drivers Bill second reading has been rescheduled to March. PFEW Pursuits Lead Tim Rogers, who has been campaigning to change the law for more than seven years, told Police Oracle the government has some concerns the bill will not match the issues covered in the consultation and that it will include ambulance and fire engine drivers, who are not trained to the same standard as police officers. He said: “If you compare officers to the careful and competent drivers standard the techniques they use are illegal. “The deal officers get is 'as long nothing goes wrong that’s fine and we won’t do anything about it but when something does happen you’re on your own'. “Roads policing officers are highly trained professionals who go to work and carry out these manoeuvres every day but that isn’t recognised in law. “It’s just stupid. “Even the IOPC came out and said officers shouldn’t be compared to the careful and competent drivers standard.” Mr Rogers said Policing Minister Nick Hurd had given himself and PFEW chairman John Apter personal assurances last week he remained committed to the issue and will soon issue a ministerial statement confirming this is the case. It is still hoped the bill will gain Royal Assent by 2019/2020, he said. A Home Office spokesman said: “We recognise the difficult job that police drivers do every day to keep road users and the wider public safe. “That’s why we have worked closely with the Police Federation, other government departments and groups representing road users and those advocating road safety to review the law, guidance, procedures and processes surrounding police pursuits. “Ministers are expecting soon to be in a position to announce the next steps following the consultation. This will be subject to final clearance across government.” View on Police Oracle
  4. But EU is yet to make any promises. The Home Secretary is maintaining claims a “very good” security deal has been reached with the EU post-Brexit despite a draft paper published last month giving no such assurances. The Prime Minister and Home Office officials have repeatedly stated the EU is keen to forge a close security partnership after Brexit. Chiefs have been clear close co-operation on security and policing benefits the entire European Union and losing Europol membership would also threaten the safety of citizens on the other side of the Channel. But EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier made it clear earlier this year Theresa May's "red lines" would mean it was impossible to remain in the European Arrest Warrant. And Prime Minister Theresa May’s draft Brexit agreement, published in November, gave no guaranteed access to crucial databases or confirmation agreements will continue after an initial transition period. The 585-page document states the UK will only be able to use the vital Schengen Information System for a maximum of three months after the transition period and Europol’s SIENA platform for one year. Article 8 says the UK will cease “to be entitled to access any network, any information system and any database established on the basis of Union law”. But this afternoon Home Secretary Sajid Javid told MPs at the House of Commons he is “sure we can reach an agreement”. Labour MP Nick Thomas-Symonds asked: “When will the government actually act to stop this diminishing of our ability to tackle crime?" He said: “Tackling online crime has to of course be cross border and yet the government has failed to get the Schengen Information System or SIS2 and European Criminal Record Information System included in their political declaration. “It hasn’t identified exactly what our relationship with Europol or Eurojust is going to be going forward and we only have vague promises on the benefits of maintaining the European Arrest Warrant.” Mr Javid responded: “The honourable gentleman will know from the information we’ve already published that we have reached a good agreement on future security cooperations so for example on things like passenger name records on DNA and other important databases. “That is something we will continue to work together on.” He went further when MP David Hanson demanded: “Are we to be members of Europol in this brave new world or simply shadowing and incorporating with them?” Mr Javid hinted full-blown Europol membership is still on the cards. He said: “We have an agreement with the EU. A draft agreement that gives us a very close relationship with the EU on security and cooperation and it includes considering membership of Europol.” View on Police Oracle
  5. Scenario risks increasing pressure on law enforcement. Date - 28th November 2018 By - Hayden Smith and Ian Weinfass The UK will lose access to EU databases used by police to track terrorists and criminals in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to an official analysis. The paper provides the most detailed government assessment to date of the potential impact on security and law enforcement ties if no agreement is struck. Agencies would no longer be plugged in to systems for exchanging a raft of data including criminal records, alerts on wanted suspects, DNA, fingerprints and airline passenger information. Extradition requests would take longer, while cooperation on counter-terrorism, cyber security and illegal migration would be affected. The assessment, published by the Department for Exiting the European Union, said: "A no deal scenario would not provide the same levels of capabilities envisaged in the deal scenario - many of which would require formal agreements with the EU - and would risk increasing pressure on UK security, law enforcement and judicial authorities. "In the event of no deal, the UK would no longer have any access to EU data platforms, or have guaranteed channels for obtaining law enforcement information." If an agreement is not reached, there will be no implementation period after the UK formally departs the bloc in March. The paper said: "This means that any operational cooperation that relies on EU tools and instruments at the point of exit, would stop. "This would create immediate legal and operational uncertainty with the risk of operational disruption and potential security implications." Under the terms of the draft agreement, the two sides have committed to establishing a "broad" and "comprehensive" security partnership. But in a no deal scenario, Britain would face losing access to: A scheme for sharing air passenger data such as names, travel dates and contact details The Prum system, which facilitates fast exchange of DNA and fingerprint data The Second Generation Schengen Information System (SIS II), which circulates millions of law enforcement alerts in real time The European Criminal Record Information System, which enables automated exchange of criminal record data The assessment also flagged up the potential impact on cooperation in a number of "thematic areas". On efforts to counter terror and violent extremism, it said: "In a no deal scenario, it would be harder for the UK and the EU to work strategically to tackle these evolving threats." Effective action on illegal migration would be more difficult with no formal arrangements in place, the paper added. It made clear the government would seek to "mitigate the effects of a no deal scenario on the UK's security". In a "deal scenario", operational cooperation will continue largely as it does now during the implementation period, the analysis said. Labour MP Yvette Cooper, who chairs the Commons Home Affairs Committee, said: "This assessment makes clear the substantial security risks from no deal, but it does absolutely nothing to tell us what the security risks are in the Prime Minister's deal. This isn't being honest with everyone." Liberal Democrat Ed Davey said: “Theresa May keeps telling us she’ll work out a wonderful new security agreement before the transition period ends, but she has completely failed to make any progress whatsoever over the last two years. “The Liberal Democrats demand better for our police and our communities. That’s why we are fighting to give the people the final say on the deal, including the option to exit from Brexit.” View On Police Oracle
  6. Home Office says it is planning for all possible scenarios. Matthew Scott, Lord Willy Bach and Martyn Underhill Date - 8th August 2018 By - Ian Weinfass - Police Oracle 11 Comments Police and crime commissioners are warning of the risk to public safety from a no deal Brexit. Conservative, Labour and independent representatives said they have discussed the issue with the National Crime Agency and National Police Chiefs’ Council and fear what could happen without agreement between the UK and EU. They have written to Home Secretary Sajid Javid to confirm the Home Office has developed a contingency plan for a no deal Brexit. The letter was discussed at a national PCC meeting in mid-July and sent last week. It is signed by Tory Matthew Scott, Labour’s Lord Willy Bach, and independent Martin Underhill. It says: “We understand that considerable additional resource would be required for policing to operate using non-EU tools and that such tools would be sub-optimal - potentially putting operational efficiency and public safety at risk." It continues: "There are 32 Law Enforcement and National Security Measures [Lens] that are used on a daily basis in an operational policing context. "Unless the government is able to negotiate the retention of these measures following the UK's withdrawal from the EU, police and law enforcement agencies face a significant loss of operational capacity. "As police and crime commissioners, we are increasingly concerned that such a loss of capacity could pose significant risks to our local communities." They add that Brexit negotiations come at a time when the threat from foreign national offenders targeting the UK from abroad is increasing. They also say that with the implementation period unlikely to be known until October this year, the five-month window until the end of March 2019 is "likely to be very challenging". They have asked for a meeting with the Home Secretary to discuss "preparations, contingencies and the financial implications of post-Brexit policing". In 2016 Sir Hugh Orde revealed on Police Oracle that chiefs had analysed the impact of leaving the EU in 2013 and identified 13 elements “without which we would struggle to protect citizens in this country”. A Home Office spokesman said: "There is widespread recognition that the UK and EU can most effectively combat security threats when we work together. It is important we maintain operational capabilities after Brexit - and we will continue to make this case to the European Commission. "We are confident that an ambitious agreement on future security cooperation can be reached — but it is the duty of any responsible government to prepare for every eventuality, including no deal. "With that in mind, we are working closely with operational partners on contingency planning so we can ensure the safety and security of our citizens in all scenarios.” View On Police Oracle
  7. No-deal on security would force officers to file individual requests for data on suspects. Cressida Dick The country's top police officer admits she has concerns the force’s investigations will be handicapped post-Brexit if the United Kingdom loses access to the Europol database. This week MPS Commissioner Cressida Dick said her force’s counter-terror capability is in “very very good shape” but is seeing an upswing in right-wing inspired extremist plots being disrupted at the London Assembly’s Police and Crime panel meeting. She said police are not involved in Brexit negotiations but she is trying to plan for future arrangements which could supersede full membership to Europol and to “understand more about how they could work”. “We are big users of a lot of the instruments. We are big contributors to Europol. It is likely that if we are unable to access the same things in the same way that we do now it will be clunkier, clumsier and more expensive in any replacement system. “So it’s important for us in keeping London safe to be able to have access but we fully understand it has become an important part of negotiating between the various parties which is nothing to do with us. “We have enjoyed sitting on the board of Europol and we have 40 something subject matter UK experts at Europol at the moment. We use the arrest warrant a very very huge amount. And all these things are reciprocal. “We believe other European countries have very much benefitted from our involvement, not least of course in terms of countering terrorism. “We will work with whatever we get in the future of course.” Sophie Linden, London’s Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime added the “thought of not being able to use the information sharing or be in Europol is incredibly worrying”. Ms Linden said she has personally lobbied Secretary of State for Brexit David Davis on the issue together with Mayor of London Sadiq Khan. “It does not feel they are getting very far at the moment,” she said. “It is incredibly concerning and when the commissioner talks about it being a little bit clunkier what that will mean is at the moment officers can interrogate databases when they come across individuals. It will mean they have to ring up and get them one by one. “That isn’t clunkier when you think about the thousands of times it is being used. Security is really at threat around Brexit unless they really get to the point of making a deal and keeping us in all these arrangements.” Earlier this week former Europol director Sir Rob Wainwright told the Home Affairs Committee no deal on Europol would be “unthinkable.” Despite EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier’s public assertions it would be “impossible” for the UK to stay in the European Arrest Warrant, Sir Rob was so relaxed about the future of the UK’s access to Europol MPs asked him why he wasn’t “more worried”. Sir Rob said politicians may be “closer than they appear” on the issue. He said: “Maybe I’m less worried than you because when I left Europol I was more assured of how the system was working toward some kind of deal. “I think we should be worried if reach a point of no deal on security. That will certainly have an adverse ability to fight crime and terrorism. “It’s still likely that there is an expectation there will be a cooperation.” View On Police Oracle

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