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[Fedster + 1,307]

Saw this clip on UKPoliceonline and it made me smile, the houseowner has got the patience of a saint!

It would be interesting to know if anyone is aware what happened with regards to any police action?

 

[@Wildlife_Mgr 13]

Not seen this footage for a few years now but the restraint the homeowner showed was a clear indication of his obvious martial arts training. 

[Remmy + 1,401]

Also not seen this in a few years. Whilst it's amusing I can't help but feel pity for the homeowner. It's clear he wished to avoid escalating any trouble, but was left little choice.

I have little doubt that this coward of a rat trying to goad him, would have not accepted his defeat in a gracious manner.  I wonder what happened in the months or years following this incident?

[Chief Cheetah 6,915]

We used to use this as part of our training package. It's a good demonstration on the escalation toward violence,  the chat guy goes through all the motions, fists clenched carrying imaginary rolls of carpent, windmill in arms,  getting up close,  it s all good to watch as warning signs. The home owner shows remarkable restraint and also a great demonstration of proportional response ie he stops when it's no longer necessary to excert violence. 

My favourite bit will always be the end where the spectator guy just gently closes the gate and slinks away.

[@Wildlife_Mgr 13]

I love that bit too. He's like, "erm, yeah; sorry about that... I'll just close this for you"

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[Richhamdo + 877]

Nice one  Fedster, but just a thought about the householder, personally I wouldn't have let the protagonist get quite so close when they were stood in the doorway. I have seen people get head butted before in similar scenarios and it's not nice. I always remember this chap called Caine in one of the Kung Fu programmes on the tele a few years ago,he was trying to deal with an aggressive cowboy in a bar once. This trouble maker started getting a bit too close for comfort  and all this Kung fu chap did was just stick out his arm with his hand on to this other guys chest and apply a bit of force, it seemed very effective. Unfortunately for this cowboy he didn't quite get the message, so then Caine  ended up giving him a good duffing up, our trainers weren't too keen on us doing that bit though..Rich.

[Cathedral Bobby + 1,174]

Irimiski to the head, another favoured aikido technique. Interesting that the SPEAR techniques now being taught as part of PST are predominantly aikido principles. Entering instead of stepping back, more proactive, and far more effective. Greater emphasis on use of strikes, initiating or pre-empting an attack, as opposed to standing back waiting to be hit or over powered before fighting back. I have always used SPEAR, although I call it something else.

[Ether + 1,424]

4 hours ago, Cathedral Bobby said:

Irimiski to the head, another favoured aikido technique. Interesting that the SPEAR techniques now being taught as part of PST are predominantly aikido principles. Entering instead of stepping back, more proactive, and far more effective. Greater emphasis on use of strikes, initiating or pre-empting an attack, as opposed to standing back waiting to be hit or over powered before fighting back. I have always used SPEAR, although I call it something else.

 The vast majority of PST/OST is based on Aikido, hence why it isn't effective for police officers.  Aikido is to complicated to learn with such little time to train in the art. It's widely believed to be one of the more difficult martial arts to use effectively. 

SPEAR works, although what's misunderstood is that SPEAR is only the instinctive response, not the continued use of force. Closing the gap and taking the advantage works far better than the nonsense old Defensive Tactics was of shouting get back for 5 mins as you back yourself into a corner. 

The Home Office should take a proper look at PST and re-evaluate what actually works for serving officers. 

[Cathedral Bobby + 1,174]

I agree much is aikido based for some PST techniques but some of the less effective ones are taught. It does require, to be really effective, fine motor as well gross motor skills. I have taught aikido for years and have always used it to great effect. I do agree we need to review PST, and aikido isn't the answer unless used and taught like the Japanese Police teach it and use it, then it does.

[Ether + 1,424]

1 hour ago, Cathedral Bobby said:

I agree much is aikido based for some PST techniques but some of the less effective ones are taught. It does require, to be really effective, fine motor as well gross motor skills. I have taught aikido for years and have always used it to great effect. I do agree we need to review PST, and aikido isn't the answer unless used and taught like the Japanese Police teach it and use it, then it does.

You have to invest time in training Aikido and the police never will. 

The quality of PST is so varied with many forces (not all) relying on civillian staff teaching PST.  A lack of investment and interest by staff means PST has never evolved like other elements of policing.  

PST would benefit from a mix of many martial arts, basic throws, takedowns and submission locks would make PST far more realistic and useful.  And as a byproduct some police officers may also find themselves a little fitter and more robust.

Edited December 17, 2016 by funkywingnut

[NotAScouser 1]

From another version of the Same youtube video :  "Jason, who has been a bodyguard to stars, had no idea why local "hard nut" Les Andrews stood on his step ranting and raving in St Helens, Merseyside, while his mate Alan Hodson looked on.

He decked him with a single blow. Wife Rebecca, 23, who had cowered with 22-month daughter Boudiccia, said: "I was proud." 

Andrews, 23, was arrested and hit with a curfew for yobbery. 

Jason said of becoming a web sensation: "People sick of yob culture enjoy seeing someone turn the tables." "

 

 

Edited December 27, 2016 by NotAScouser

[MajorDisaster + 579]

We saw this clip as an example of a strike to the pressure point on the side of the neck and how effective it can be.

[Growley + 2,436]

2 hours ago, MajorDisaster said:

We saw this clip as an example of a strike to the pressure point on the side of the neck and how effective it can be.

Looks more like he simply punched him in the face. I've watched this clip several times and can't see any strike to the neck.

Besides, I'm not particularly confident in the consistent success of a brachial nerve strike anyway.

Edited December 28, 2016 by Growley