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Dramatic footage shows London policeman smashing car windscreen after driver refuses to get out of vehicle

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This dramatic video shows the moment a police officer smashes a car windscreen after a driver refuses to get out of his vehicle.

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This video is doing the rounds on social media, many people including Lee Jasper using it as a propaganda video for their own agenda.

 Many people trying to imply the officers are behaviour is racist, not sure how that is? Buzzfeed are trying to find the driver to make an article about it.

 

 

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Radman

I dont know what went off before as it appears the footage has been edited down BUT the cop was very... animated...

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Jasper
4 hours ago, Radman said:

I dont know what went off before as it appears the footage has been edited down BUT the cop was very... animated...

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Yes he seemed very cross, hope he had a good reason for wanting the guy out of the car so much he decided to break the windows

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QRDovan
1 hour ago, Jasper said:

Yes he seemed very cross, hope he had a good reason for wanting the guy out of the car so much he decided to break the windows

Surely if he was refusing to give his licence and insurance (I assume he was as he said his name was something else once out the car) then the officer can use 165A to force entry if seizing? Seems only power he could use as fail to provide documents is not covered by S17 entry.

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Jasper
1 hour ago, QRDovan said:

Surely if he was refusing to give his licence and insurance (I assume he was as he said his name was something else once out the car) then the officer can use 165A to force entry if seizing? Seems only power he could use as fail to provide documents is not covered by S17 entry.

If you listen it comes over the radio as only a provisional licence. 

So grounds to seize under 165a. But he doesn't tell him the car will be seized, he just tells him to get out. Bizarrely when he does eventually  get out the other officer tells him to get back in again 

Im sure there are circumstances when pulling our a knife and trying to cut a hole in a windscreen is reasonable and proportionate force but I'm not sure no DL is one of them

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QRDovan
50 minutes ago, Jasper said:

If you listen it comes over the radio as only a provisional licence. 

So grounds to seize under 165a. But he doesn't tell him the car will be seized, he just tells him to get out. Bizarrely when he does eventually  get out the other officer tells him to get back in again 

Im sure there are circumstances when pulling our a knife and trying to cut a hole in a windscreen is reasonable and proportionate force but I'm not sure no DL is one of them

Didn't hear that first time, thanks very much.

I agree the use of the knife was way too excessive but there is the debate generally regarding when the putting in of someone's window is proportionate and reasonable. From my point of view if an officer has asked for documents and the driver refuses/is disqualified etc and won't come out of the car despite PAW being used numerous times  then I would support any officer who puts in a window in order to seize the vehicle as long as they have tried every other option.

The issue in the situation is the complete lack of communication skills, the use of the knife and the officer not using the correct legislation/powers.  Smashing the front window screen... not really achieving much in terms of gaining entry!

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ParochialYokal

Nobody knows what caused the vehicle to be stopped or whether there was any intelligence on the vehicle or driver.

The Officer could have conducted himself in a manner where he looked a little less angry and more in control, but anyone can have a bad day.

Was it reasonable to put the window in? Possibly...

I don't believe that the Officer made clear that he was going to effect entry. If you are going to kick someone's door down, for example, I believe that there is case law that says you should at least tell someone that you intend to do it if they are refusing entry. I would assume that the same principle applies to a car?


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grumeister
Smashing the front window screen... not really achieving much in terms of gaining entry!



I think he may have been going for the key which the driver put on the dash. slightly strange though as he could of just smashed the drivers window and got it probably causing less damage.


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SimonT

Powers of entry wise, stating the power and intention clearly before action is best practice.  

Unless there is serious urgency,  say the person has just been tpacked into a barrier and needs to be extracted before they break away etc 

It's not clear as to the cause for the urgency in this case. there may be one. but on the face of it they know the driver and the car, the driver is cooperating to the extent of the law.

not sure why all the rush. 

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mike88

I've seen a longer bit of footage and it sounds like the car has tinted windows, the officers says ''I can't see who you are in that car'' and asks if there's anyone else in the car. Not sure if that would change things, suppose he could've perceived the vehicle/occupants as more of a threat especially if there's intel on it...

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I agree the use of the knife was way too excessive

Why is the use of the knife excessive?

If it's legitimately carried for use at work, and there is a legitimate power to force entry to the car, then the knife is irrelevant.
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Radman

We all have bad days, I like to think I'd have explained things a little more to the driver before forcing entry.

I dont understand why he went for the windscreen though...

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Remmy

I'm not going to comment on the officers attitude, demeanour or his justification, we simply don't have enough information to pass judgement. However all this could have been avoided by the driver stepping out when asked, simple.

But I have to wonder if it's not something officers should be trained in? I have practiced this for years, as it forms part of a tactic. It's not as easy at it looks but technique and right equipment helps a lot. Always go for the corner, especially if the window is partially open. Casco's aren't great a leatherman or better still a glass hammer are far more effective. Couldn't really see the point in attacking the windscreen to be honest.

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