New Met police video

[Member of Public + 206]

Greater Manchester officer basically tells it as it is, "cut the freeman c**p out because it doesn't apply" - Brilliant!  

Video is on YouTube as 'police bullies' with the usual bashing in the comments section, but no surprise there really.

 

 

Edited August 11, 2016 by PC Wannabe

[Fedster + 1,307]

Bullies? Only bullies i heard were the people behind the camera shouting over the officers....

[cookyy2k 536]

"What's your oath that you take every day when you come to work?" Yeah a well informed person there, just like all the other freemen.

[Indiana Jones + 1,103]

6 hours ago, cookyy2k said:

"What's your oath that you take every day when you come to work?"

"Please God, don't let me get stuck on constant obs the whole shift"

[MerseyLLB 8,426]

Anatgonistical 

[powdermonkey 11]

If these "feeemen of the land" types believe they are not subject to the law then should they be afforded the protection of those same laws?

[IrateShrike + 1,850]

What an irritating voice.

[Phist 18]

I watched the video and seen many like it. But I don't understand all this freeman of the land stuff. And why do they think it makes them immune to uk laws. Like what do they expect to do as they please and not be held accountable.

If someone could give me a few lines to explain freeman of the land I'll really appreciate it

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[Chief Cheetah 6,915]

That's the problem with Freeman hoodoo, it is impossible to sum up in a few words.  They rely on pseudo laws they believe apply to them by making certain declarations which will exempt them things they don't really want to do.

There is a wealth of information about them out there but here is a good wiki link with an explanation.  The link will take you to the section on the successes that people declaring they are freemen have enjoyed, it sums the whole thing up really.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Freeman_successes

[Phist 18]

Thank you. I will have a look.
The other thing that's really winds me up on them stupid youtube videos is when they sprout out "that's an act not law". I mean if someone broke into your house would you not want them arrested under the theft act. Well. Yes. So shut it

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[PCSD 329]

Just remind them Human Rights are an Act too and if they don't consent to them that's fine by me 

[Phist 18]

Ha I will remember that. If I ever come across one of these freeman of the land, that's not a law that's an act people

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16 hours ago, Phist said:

I watched the video and seen many like it. But I don't understand all this freeman of the land stuff. And why do they think it makes them immune to uk laws. Like what do they expect to do as they please and not be held accountable.

If someone could give me a few lines to explain freeman of the land I'll really appreciate it

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My understanding: They're basically a bunch of rather silly people who are jumping onto this ridiculous 'movement' that seems to have come about in recent years whereby they seem to think they're not governed by any statute laws, (e.g road traffic act) and are only governed by basic common law (such as theft, harm, damage etc), providing they have no 'contract' (as they call it) with the state. If that were true (and its not) then surely they would have no entitlement to healthcare on the NHS, welfare support in times of ill health, and many other public services. Yet I've seen videos on YouTube (and I'm not joking) with titles such as: 'Job Centre Stop Freeman Of The Land's Money' - oh, really? By their logic, they aren't entitled to such help in the first place as they're independent from the state apparently.

 

I don't know if its just that I'm seeing more of it on YouTube and the likes, but the 'freeman of the land' thing looks like its been growing over the past 5 or so years (judging by the dates on videos I've seen online) and more people seem to be jumping on it, especially these past 2 or 3 years. I'd personally never even heard of 'freeman of the land' until about 3 or 4 years back, so I don't know if its a new 'invention' or whether its always been a thing to some extent or other. I think the government need to do something to nip it in the bud, as it does look to me as if its a relatively new thing that's increasing year on year which is a worry. But that's just me looking in from an outside point of view (as I'm not currently in the police) so I could indeed be wrong there.

 

Would be great full to hear the experiences of serving officers as to whether they're coming across it more often.

[Phist 18]

My understanding: They're basically a bunch of rather silly people who are jumping onto this ridiculous 'movement' that seems to have come about in recent years whereby they seem to think they're not governed by any statute laws, (e.g road traffic act) and are only governed by basic common law (such as theft, harm, damage etc), providing they have no 'contract' (as they call it) with the state. If that were true (and its not) then surely they would have no entitlement to healthcare on the NHS, welfare support in times of ill health, and many other public services. Yet I've seen videos on YouTube (and I'm not joking) with titles such as: 'Job Centre Stop Freeman Of The Land's Money' - oh, really? By their logic, they aren't entitled to such help in the first place as they're independent from the state apparently.

 

I don't know if its just that I'm seeing more of it on YouTube and the likes, but the 'freeman of the land' thing looks like its been growing over the past 5 or so years (judging by the dates on videos I've seen online) and more people seem to be jumping on it, especially these past 2 or 3 years. I'd personally never even heard of 'freeman of the land' until about 3 or 4 years back, so I don't know if its a new 'invention' or whether its always been a thing to some extent or other. I think the government need to do something to nip it in the bud, as it does look to me as if its a relatively new thing that's increasing year on year which is a worry. But that's just me looking in from an outside point of view (as I'm not currently in the police) so I could indeed be wrong there.

 

Would be great full to hear the experiences of serving officers as to whether they're coming across it more often.

Thank you for your reply I'm with you I don't get it. Especially when they hide behind the human rights act by their logic that would not apply to them. Yeah the government or at least ACPO should issue some guidance

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[Chaos + 151]

From Wiki

"Freemen-on-the-land" are a loose group of individuals with the belief that they are bound by statute laws only if they consent to those laws. They believe that they can therefore declare themselves independent of the government and the rule of law, holding that the only "true" law is their own interpretation of "common law".[1] This belief has been described as a conspiracy theory.[2] Freemen are active in English-speaking countries: the United Kingdom, Ireland, Canada, the United States, Australia, and New Zealand.

In the Canadian court case Meads v. Meads, Alberta Court of Queen's Bench Associate Chief Justice John D. Rooke used the phrase "Organised Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments" (OPCA) to describe the techniques and arguments used by freemen in court[3] describing them as frivolous and vexatious.[4][5][6] There is no recorded instance of freeman tactics being upheld in a court of law;[7] in refuting one by one each of the arguments used by Meads, Rooke concluded that "a decade of reported cases, many of which he refers to in his ruling, have failed to prove a single concept advanced by OPCA litigants


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