New Met police video

[CHADISTAN! 2]

Please please share this round!!!! My boyfriends brother got arrested for not wanting to answer a question from a police officer so the police officers ENTERED HIS PROPERTY without reasonable cause, he then handcuffed him and put his head through the class window!! Justice is needed!!

Posted by Aziza Conry on Wednesday, 6 May 2015

[Dash 32]

Hmm...Hopefully more video will emerge to enable a better assessment to be formed.

 

Does anybody know what "Rah" means?

[CHADISTAN! 2]

Hope so, I think it means disgust? Just a guess.

[Fedster + 1,307]

What a foul mouthed family, shining example to the kid.

[Burnsy2023 2,895]

He gives his collar number many more times than I would.  It's on my shoulder for a reason.

[TheJesusofKayaking 0]

Early on the young lads eyes don't appear to have any blood streaming from them. At 15 seconds in the guys face does and the cop walking towards camera has a red object in his hand.

Maybe the detainee walked into the door propped up against the wall? I don't know how to download FB videos so I can investigate this frame by frame but I will do given time and offer my critique accordingly.

I'll watch the rest of the video now...

WATCHED.

Took a while to ask for a first aid kit. Surely being that close to the man bleeding the cop would have realised he needed medical attention yet he appears to only ask for a med kit nearly a minute later.

I'll overlook the bad language being used and possible possible PO sect 5 offences as they guy was clearly distressed.Interesting video although most unpleasant to watch.

 

Edited May 8, 2015 by TheJesusofKayaking

[Chief Cheetah 6,915]

Early on the young lads eyes don't appear to have any blood streaming from them. At 15 seconds in the guys face does and the cop walking towards camera has a red object in his hand.

Maybe the detainee walked into the door propped up against the wall? I don't know how to download FB videos so I can investigate this frame by frame but I will do given time and offer my critique accordingly.

I'll watch the rest of the video now...

 

​Early on you only see the right side of his face, the cut is clearly on the hairline on the left side above the eye.  The first time you can see the left side of his face is at 11 seconds and here you can see the blood already running down his face.  At no point is the blood streaming from his eyes.  Not sure what you may be trying to imply with your post, if you were going to investigate the video frame by frame before making a judgement what was the purpose of your post suggesting the officer had done something with a red object in his hand.

[Dash 32]

 Not sure what you may be trying to imply with your post,

 

It would appear that TheJesusofKayaking was suggesting the detainee had walked into a door that was propped against the wall, was one not?

 if you were going to investigate the video frame by frame before making a judgement what was the purpose of your post suggesting the officer had done something with a red object in his hand.

​To be fair TheJesusofKayaking has not suggested that one was going to analyse the video before offering an opinion, only that one would when one had time.

I did not see the Officer carrying any red object, but no harm is done bringing it to the attention of others.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Dash
Drama

[TheJesusofKayaking 0]

​Early on you only see the right side of his face, the cut is clearly on the hairline on the left side above the eye.  The first time you can see the left side of his face is at 11 seconds and here you can see the blood already running down his face.  At no point is the blood streaming from his eyes.  Not sure what you may be trying to imply with your post, if you were going to investigate the video frame by frame before making a judgement what was the purpose of your post suggesting the officer had done something with a red object in his hand.

​I'm not implying anything.  I'm simply posting what I saw in the video. I saw blood streaming from his eye prettymuch as can be seen in the screen capture as well as blood coming from his hair line.

 

The blood seen running down from his hairline does not appear to be dripping over his eyelid and creating a continuous flow of blood from the hairline to his chin.  There does not appear to be a trauma at the hairline that would cause blood loss seen which I do find most unusual.

So what I see here is a detainee whose face at one angle early on in the video cannot be seen with any blood on it then a few frames later AFTER all backs are turned to the camera reemerges with what appears to be two streams of blood, one from the lower left eyelid and one from the hairline. All this AFTER everyone's backs were turned and within the same few frames this image is captured. (see cops right hand)

 

Now if that's some kind of spray in his right hand designed to incapacite the detainee there are tow questions that need to be asked.  Why if it is a spray and t has been deployed is the victim not wailing in pain? Secondly, why if it is a spray that has NOT been deployed is it even in the cops hand when the detainee is clearly seen to be under the control of the cop a few seconds earlier?

Edited May 8, 2015 by TheJesusofKayaking

[TheJesusofKayaking 0]

Sorry I had a job embedding the screen grabs.  Here I see two streams of blood.

 

[MindTheGap 1,275]

Two very compressed frames, upscaled and quality degraded then further compressed to show small details? What's to say the officers didn't try and wipe blood away if it's not there at one stage?

 

You've got an agenda, and you're trying to sell it here and failing.

 

The spray hasn't been deployed at all, it's been drawn. Let's not get confused about that. Secondly 'victim'? You weren't there and don't know full facts, but I'd hazard a guess he's not a victim!

 

T-01:23s shows two raised areas that I, with experience of working with videos of assaults on members of the public, as well as injuries caused to detainees, would attribute to blood pouring from the head are visible as the man turns his face to the left saying 'GET OFF ME'. There's been no off camera roughing up while backs were turned, you've just highlighted an area you like to sell your side, and you've ignored anything contradicting that. 

 

Edited May 8, 2015 by MindTheGap

[stoppedreality + 279]

His mates/family are getting right up in the officers faces, touching/interfering with the DP and the officers. I'd say they're lucky not to have force used on them to move them away. 

[rosco + 651]

Police officers are allowed to hold a can of incapacitant spray in their hands if they think the situation is appropriate. It's more than possible that it was drawn in case someone in the crowd got a bit too lively and would need to be deployed. I've certainly had my can of spray in my hands before at incidents to be prepared, but never needed to deploy it.

The video lasts all of 1 minute and 34 seconds, of which a noticable portion at the front is taken up with cuffing and taking the DP towards the Police car - I hardly see that a matter of some seconds is relevant in when a first aid kit is requested, cuts on the face bleed certainly but they are not exactly life-threatening, and the situation was not so calm and the officers had other things to do to.

I'm really impressed at how calm the officers seemed to be actually, they struck me as very professional, and in control of the incident, despite the shouting of both the DP and (I presume) family and friends who were doing everything they could to overdramatise things.

[Burnie 2,084]

WATCHED.

Took a while to ask for a first aid kit. Surely being that close to the man bleeding the cop would have realised he needed medical attention yet he appears to only ask for a med kit nearly a minute later.

 

It seems to me that another police car arrives just before he asks about the first aid kit.

Perhaps prior to the video recording the officers have already established that they dont have a first aid kit so only ask again once another vehicle arrives?

I say that as it's apparent to me that he was injured before the filming started as he doesn't go anywhere near close enough to have hit his head on the door and we actually don't see the injured part of his face until after he's turned around.

[Sir Penguin 648]

Now if that's some kind of spray in his right hand designed to incapacite the detainee there are tow questions that need to be asked.  Why if it is a spray and t has been deployed is the victim not wailing in pain? Secondly, why if it is a spray that has NOT been deployed is it even in the cops hand when the detainee is clearly seen to be under the control of the cop a few seconds earlier?

​

It would appear to be CS in the officers hand. In relation to your first quest question - CS does not always have an effect on everybody but usually has a good success rate. So if the subject has been sprayed and he is 'immune' to the incapacitant then that would explain why he is not wailing in pain. 

In reply to your second, there is nothing wrong with holding your PPE and not deploying. There are no guidelines that say once your PPE is removed from its holster then it must be utilised. If I get my PPE out and dont decide to utilise it, but the subject has decided to complied due to the threat of it being utilised, then it's a win win. It means nobody has been hurt during arrest and that I dont have to fill out reems of paperwork. 

Sometimes the threat of using something against someone is adequate. I am making generic comments and don't wish to comment on this particular scenario as it's very hard to establish what has gone on.