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[Cameron 27]

[Dash 32]

I do not think it was wise to stop a van there.

 

I think the officer had a rather immature attitude.

Edited December 5, 2014 by Dash

[AnthonyB + 451]

Should have VDRS'd him for the broken mirror......

[Dan!Dan!Dan! 258]

... maybe the other two were intact.

[Radman + 2,165]

I'm thinking the stop wasn't the best, no uniform, plain car (with hazards on, no emergency lights.)

 

Blokes attitude was out of order but he did provide his details, provided ID, agreed to be interviewed at the roadside (although not necessary anyway)

 

Bit of an odd stop for just a mobile phone job - to top it all she TOLD the bloke that she was vulnerable and had no PPE on her prior to back-up arriving... I just don't know about this one chaps, the whole thing seems odd.

Edited December 6, 2014 by Radman

[LankyDan + 293]

... maybe the other two were intact.

Erm... But one is broken...

[10-63 6]

I do not think it was wise to stop a van there.

 

I think the officer had a rather immature attitude.

 

Not to mention stopping a motor vehicle in plain clothes..

[BLS 72]

... maybe the other two were intact.

You have to have one each side, and an internal one (unless it would have no view e.g. Because of a solid bulkhead)

[Dan!Dan!Dan! 258]

Every day's a school day.

 

I thought you needed two out of three.

[Soap + 1,575]

Not to mention stopping a motor vehicle in plain clothes..

 

I got corrected on this recently. You can stop a vehicle in plain clothes for a specific offence!

[Milankovitch + 3,445]

You have to have one each side, and an internal one (unless it would have no view e.g. Because of a solid bulkhead)

That is not what Regulation 33 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 states.

 

I was always taught (and I've just checked my notes on this) that the only obligatory mirrors for a car are the offside external mirror and an internal rear view mirror provided that the internal mirror provides a suitable view to the rear of the vehicle. You only require two mirrors to pass an MOT on a car manufactured after 1st August 1978 (one being a nearside external mirror) and any mirrors other than your obligatory mirrors are not checked. I'm no expert on traffic matters by any means but what I have been taught seems to be in line with what the relevant regulations require.

[Mav 167]

That is not what Regulation 33 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 states.

 

I was always taught (and I've just checked my notes on this) that the only obligatory mirrors for a car are the offside external mirror and an internal rear view mirror provided that the internal mirror provides a suitable view to the rear of the vehicle. You only require two mirrors to pass an MOT on a car manufactured after 1st August 1978 (one being a nearside external mirror) and any mirrors other than your obligatory mirrors are not checked. I'm no expert on traffic matters by any means but what I have been taught seems to be in line with what the relevant regulations require.

 

He should have copped an extra ticket for being such a numpty.

[BLS 72]

That is not what Regulation 33 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 states.

 

I was always taught (and I've just checked my notes on this) that the only obligatory mirrors for a car are the offside external mirror and an internal rear view mirror provided that the internal mirror provides a suitable view to the rear of the vehicle. You only require two mirrors to pass an MOT on a car manufactured after 1st August 1978 (one being a nearside external mirror) and any mirrors other than your obligatory mirrors are not checked. I'm no expert on traffic matters by any means but what I have been taught seems to be in line with what the relevant regulations require.

 

Sorry your right, you only have to have the offside fitted if the internal mirror is not fitted. I had misread those regs earlier

 

 

(i) At least one mirror fitted externally on the offside of the vehicle; and

(ii) at least one mirror fitted internally, unless a mirror so fitted would give the driver no view to the rear of the vehicle; and

(iii) at least one mirror fitted externally on the nearside of the vehicle unless a mirror which gives the driver an adequate view to the rear is fitted internally

[BLS 72]

any mirrors other than your obligatory mirrors are not checked

 

Interestingly enough, even though they may not be checked at an MOT the regs do state that they have to be compliant anyway if they are fitted (my bold in the quote below).

 

 

 

33.  (1)   Save as provided in paragraphs (5) and (6), a motor vehicle (not being a road roller) which is of a class specified in an item in column 2 of the Table shall be fitted with such mirror or mirrors, if any, as are specified in that item in column 3; and any mirror which is fitted to such a vehicle shall, whether or not it is required to be fitted, comply with the requirements, if any, specified in that item in column 4. 

 

The requirements being

 

 

(a) If the vehicle is first used on or after 1st October 1978, Item 2 of Annex I to Community Directive 71/127, 79/795 or 80/780 or Annex II to Community Directive 85/205 and paragraph (4) of this regulation.

(b) In other cases, none. 

 

Those Community Directives are about the size of the mirrors, the type of edge they have, how they perform etc.

[Sceptre + 2,704]

Not to mention stopping a motor vehicle in plain clothes..

 

I got corrected on this recently. You can stop a vehicle in plain clothes for a specific offence!

 

Yes, indeed there is a power at common law to stop a vehicle (Steel vs Goacher 1983, Collins vs Wilcox 1984) uniform or otherwise, however there is nothing at all in law stopping anyone from carrying out a normal stop under S163 in plain clothes, merely the offence of failing to stop isn't made out if the car doesn't stop.