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I wouldn't of even engaged him or justified myself to him. He's only there to get a rise out of you and ignoring him is the best option.

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Either

 

(on the street) Sir, if you have a problem with the law speak to your local MP who YOU voted in.

 

or

 

(at railway station) Sir, Get out my station for shouting.

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Not quite sure why this is in the law section but I wouldn't pay him any attention if I was in the middle of doing something - he's just a sandwich board with a Youtube account.

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Not quite sure why this is in the law section but I wouldn't pay him any attention if I was in the middle of doing something - he's just a sandwich board with a Youtube account.

 

And without the sandwiches. If he wants me to take him seriously he needs to bring sandwiches. Good ones too.

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Not quite sure why this is in the law section


Agreed

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Yeah Charlie, moving a beggar on is exactly like Nazi Germany... me thinks he's a little upset after his sec 5 POA conviction.

This man is so far up his own backside it's unreal.

Very few of the beggars I've come across are willing to make the necessary changes to their lives that would mean they could escape the reality they've found themselves in, all I have ever dealt with have been receiving state benefits and most were lliving in state housing.

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Very few of the beggars I've come across are willing to make the necessary changes to their lives that would mean they could escape the reality they've found themselves in, all I have ever dealt with have been receiving state benefits and most were lliving in state housing.

 

Agreed. I'd say 9 out of 10 times they're begging because they've spent all their benefits on alcohol or drugs. 

 

Veitch wants to make out that he's standing up for the little man but what about members of the public, business owners etc who can't go about their day without being asked for money? Some people find it intimidating. It's a shame passers by automatically side with Veitch against the PCSOs without even understand what's happening. Just shows how much damage the media has done (imo) to damaging trust and confidence. 

 

Personally I would've just walked off as soon as he started ranting as all you're doing by talking to him is giving him more ammunition. Although the PCSO handled it pretty well. 

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I'd have called him out on his Nazi Germany comparison - The beggar wasn't being led to the gas chamber or firing squad he was being told to move on - from what I could tell the PCSOs weren't even reporting the bloke for summons (which I would have done... My tolerance to begging is zero as it is quite impactive on the public and the area it occurs in.)

I've had lone female passengers in floods of tears having been the victims of aggressive begging - veitch should try putting himself in their shoes, how does he think they feel when approached by an intimidating alcoholic/drug addict requesting money?

The man is simply playing a game, he's gone from a bloke with some legitimate points to a bitter and twisted youtuber.

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The entire flaw in his argument is that he is able to stand there and screech at two PCSOs and spout his views without fear of arrest, his Nazi Germany reference becomes null and void.

 

He's one of these people who is all about his rights and not his responsibilities (respect other humans, is his behaviour doing what he himself preaches?)

 

The PCSOs did right to look at him with contempt and just walk away. If he doesn't have a platform to do his shouting he's nothing. The happy clapping members of the public in the background are just jumping on the bandwagon to get their 3 seconds of fame on YouTube.

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I wish the PCSO had been more articulate. And I really hope he wasn't moving him on simply "for begging" (unless the business he was outside asked police to move him on).

 

Personally i'll only move beggars on if they're begging aggressively. If I don't recognise them, i'll talk to them and if they need referring to a homeless agency i'll do that.

 

There's zero genuine homelessness on my ward, so I know any homeless people i've referred previously are begging purely for drug or booze money, and they DO get swifted and ASBO/ASBI'd.

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I wish the PCSO had been more articulate. And I really hope he wasn't moving him on simply "for begging" (unless the business he was outside asked police to move him on

Why?

Begging is antisocial and as mentioned earlier there is very little need for people to beg in the UK. Numerous support services are open to these people as is accommodation and housing.

If I encounter blatant begging (someone with a cap sat outside the doors to the station or my personal pet hate next to the ATMs) or I receive a complaint from a member of public that person goes in my book for summons.

Begging is one of those offences that really does impact massively on a place, in modern Britain there is no place for it - I have to get up and work for a living, many of these people not only have council properties but receive money from you and me already.

All people are doing when they give beggars their money is funding the next needle in their groin or bottle of white lightning cider...

Harsh reality I know but the PCSO was doing his job.

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I see the same four beggars every other day walking to university. I always feel bad about ignoring them and simply walking past, pretending that I'm too busy listening to music in my earphones to care. But at then end of the day, for all I know, they just want money for their next score.

 

The PCSOs were just doing their job. I wish beggars weren't a thing but unfortunately that's the world that we live in.

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I see the same four beggars every other day walking to university. I always feel bad about ignoring them and simply walking past, pretending that I'm too busy listening to music in my earphones to care. But at then end of the day, for all I know, they just want money for their next score.

 

The PCSOs were just doing their job. I wish beggars weren't a thing but unfortunately that's the world that we live in.

 

When I am  in the city centre near where  I live and work in. I occasionally offer to purchase homeless people food and drink.

 

You would be surprised how often it is declined.

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