Radman + 2,165 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 CAUTION:- Your blood may boil on watching these two videos: Cops played it fairly cool, good on them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjam651 32 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The chaps that got stopped had an awful attitude, but no worse than anyone else we stop and search really. To be fair I don't like the Mets use of 'detention' powers whilst they establish whether there is an offence or not. You either have the grounds to arrest or you don't, you can't detain people until it suits you. On a side note I assume he meant section 43, wasn't 44 repealed by Theresa a couple of years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsy2023 2,895 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) To be fair I don't like the Mets use of 'detention' powers whilst they establish whether there is an offence or not. You either have the grounds to arrest or you don't, you can't detain people until it suits you. Indeed. It's simply not a power that we have. And yes, S44, power to search was repealed but s43 - suspect of being a terrorist still exists. Edited August 6, 2015 by Burnsy2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave SYP + 2,961 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Police called, stop search conducted on gobby suspects, no offences disclosed, no further action necessary, write off. Job well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AA101 626 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 To be fair I don't like the Mets use of 'detention' powers whilst they establish whether there is an offence or not. You either have the grounds to arrest or you don't, you can't detain people until it suits you. If this is a general point then I would agree - it is a technical arrest and therefore often unlawful. There are limited circumstances however in which it can be justified - this appears to be one; albeit they thought they were acting under a different section to that which they were really. The whole point of stop and search is to minimise the need to arrest people and the interference with their liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney_Doris 29 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) I'm not really sure what you mean but then I haven't been able to stomach more than the first five minutes of the first video. Surely they were detained for the purposes of a stop and search, which is perfectly lawful? Edited August 8, 2015 by Cockney_Doris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjam651 32 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I'm not really sure what you mean but then I haven't been able to stomach more than the first five minutes of the first video. Surely they were detained for the purposes of a stop and search, which is perfectly lawful? In a nut shell they were all searched and no flag was found, at that point they're no longer detained for the search. They asked if they were free to leave and the skipper told them he was waiting for the statement to be taken to ascertain whether any offences had been committed before they could leave. It's not a personal critisicm to anyone there, its something that the police on the whole do alot. We don't have blanket detention powers, we either have the grounds to arrest or we don't. If this is a general point then I would agree - it is a technical arrest and therefore often unlawful. There are limited circumstances however in which it can be justified - this appears to be one; albeit they thought they were acting under a different section to that which they were really. The whole point of stop and search is to minimise the need to arrest people and the interference with their liberty. The detention for the search is fine, however they were all searched and nothing incriminating was found. They confirmed they had no evidence of an offence (yet), at that point they could and should have been allowed to walk away. If you can talk to someone in to staying with you whilst you make enquiries then happy days, but when you're keeping someone there against their will you're on dodgy grounds and I don't think it looks good. It's not a criticism against anyone in the video really, just a common practise that I'm not a massive fan of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AA101 626 Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 I missed that point - I thought they had decided to search some more people. That said, I only bothered to watch the first video. If you're right then I absolutely agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_101 6 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Great show of professionalism from officers at RO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebs + 1,192 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I couldn't stomach that video, too much shouting by an idiot that was unwilling to let the police answer his questions. Given the threat level from international terrorism in Britain, I'm very surprised legislation similar to the Justice and Security (NI) Act 2007 hasn't been brought in. Section 21 and 24 of the act may be of interest. Basically, a power to stop and question a person on their movements, or stop them and search them for certain items. No need for grounds or GOWISELY what so ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco + 651 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Given the threat level from international terrorism in Britain, I'm very surprised legislation similar to the Justice and Security (NI) Act 2007 hasn't been brought in. Section 21 and 24 of the act may be of interest. Basically, a power to stop and question a person on their movements, or stop them and search them for certain items. No need for grounds or GOWISELY what so ever. Actually I am glad it hasn't : that would be an extremely intrusive power and for sure make a lot of people unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
met1 15 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I couldn't stomach that video, too much shouting by an idiot that was unwilling to let the police answer his questions. Given the threat level from international terrorism in Britain, I'm very surprised legislation similar to the Justice and Security (NI) Act 2007 hasn't been brought in. Section 21 and 24 of the act may be of interest. Basically, a power to stop and question a person on their movements, or stop them and search them for certain items. No need for grounds or GOWISELY what so ever. Me too I think it's a silly idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
met1 15 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 The chaps that got stopped had an awful attitude, but no worse than anyone else we stop and search really. To be fair I don't like the Mets use of 'detention' powers whilst they establish whether there is an offence or not. You either have the grounds to arrest or you don't, you can't detain people until it suits you. On a side note I assume he meant section 43, wasn't 44 repealed by Theresa a couple of years ago? Yes it was repealed, just one of the many great things Theresa May has done for us thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AA101 626 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 The judgment of the European Court of Human Rights rather prompted it though to be fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeebs + 1,192 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Me too I think it's a silly idea Can you explain why? It must be authorised by ACC or above & Secretary of State for a specified area, which happens to be the entire province. But in GB there's no reason why it couldn't be used on a smaller scale, around CNI, Govt, Military sites etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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