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Are we going to see disorder this summer?

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Beaker
25 minutes ago, Zulu 22 said:

The point I was making being that the schools, colleges and Uni students have time on their hands to be able to ignore social distancing and go on the demonstrations which are often preached by their tutors. Idle hands and all that, together with those taking money from the government for not working and biting the hand that feeds them. The older generation had better sense.

Chapeltown, The '81 riots, Battle of Cable Street etc etc.  The Old Generation did NOT have better sense.  

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Radman
10 hours ago, Zulu 22 said:

The point I was making being that the schools, colleges and Uni students have time on their hands to be able to ignore social distancing and go on the demonstrations which are often preached by their tutors. Idle hands and all that, together with those taking money from the government for not working and biting the hand that feeds them. The older generation had better sense.

This. 

Having spent many a day watching protestors make their way passed me over the years I would say they fall primarily into three categories:

1. Young student types who have limited life experience but want to change the world. Usually alright to deal with but tend to become 'outraged' or upset at the smallest instruction. 

2. Old lecturer middle class types who never grew out of their university days of protesting, can be extremely condescending when spoken to, generally a small glint of madness in their eyes. 😂

3. Professional Anarchist protestor types that live very alternative lifestyles and show up to every protest event to stick the boot in to the government or police. Will take any and all opportunity to rile you, make you look like an aggressor and will have no problems assaulting you. 

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Zulu 22
13 hours ago, Beaker said:

Chapeltown, The '81 riots, Battle of Cable Street etc etc.  The Old Generation did NOT have better sense.  

At the time of those demonstrations then then protesters were not old they were young short of life experience students.

At those times the Manchester University Students Union would put on several coaches to take protesters to demonstrations all over the country. It did not matter what the protest was about, just that it was a protest. Just a Jolly day out on a coach with beer crates. The tales told after by the drivers was very eye opening.

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Reasonable Man
21 hours ago, Zulu 22 said:

At the time of those demonstrations then then protesters were not old they were young short of life experience students.

At those times the Manchester University Students Union would put on several coaches to take protesters to demonstrations all over the country. It did not matter what the protest was about, just that it was a protest. Just a Jolly day out on a coach with beer crates. The tales told after by the drivers was very eye opening.

What you are showing is not that the older generation had more sense but that generally older people do not riot/engage in disorder. 

The older generation(s) protested when they were in their teens/20s. Now they’re in their in their 40s 50s or 60s not so much. It will be the same with the current young generation. Of 100,000 students protesting in 2020 only a tiny proportion will be protesting in 2060. 

Its all about changing values as one ages. Churchill is said to have said something like, ‘Any man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart. Any man who is still a socialist at age 40 has no head.’ There are variations on this but the sentiment is clear. 

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Beaker

This post was almost Prescient.

I'm working next weekend, and I'm expecting it to be absolute carnage and hoping there are some L2 officers in buses nearby. 

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skydiver

Pubs reopen 4th July to add a little spice to the mix, but we've already had fights on crowded beaches, assaults by some fans celebrating LCFC championship, attacks at BLM marches and counter demonstrations, as well as numerous nights of block parties and raves in Manchester and London which have led to rapes, murders and assaults.  All those are individual incidents but it won't take much for come of those events to combine and to become much larger and more unmanageable.  Add a bit of frustration about unemployment/financial constraints along with good weather or a perceived anti BAME attitude by the police and you have a likely flash point. The only positive that I can see is the SMT must be aware of that and will have made contingency plans because the last thing we need is to loose control like we did in 2011.    

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stewie_griffin
On 28/06/2020 at 04:19, skydiver said:

Pubs reopen 4th July to add a little spice to the mix, ...  

I wonder if the police will be at full strength on that particular day, so there will be very little trouble.

 

My (limited) experience of these things is that it never happens when you expect it to!

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Beaker
11 minutes ago, stewie_griffin said:

I wonder if the police will be at full strength on that particular day, so there will be very little trouble.

 

My (limited) experience of these things is that it never happens when you expect it to!

Locally we are massively up on numbers.  Hopefully it is a dead shift.

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