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Metro: John Lewis security guard drags new dad by the neck as he shops for baby clothes

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Techie1

A John Lewis security guard lost his job after video showed him dragging a customer out of a shop by his neck.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/26/john-lewis-security-guard-drags-new-dad-neck-shops-baby-clothes-10632125/

 

Even if he was using abusive and threatening language (which he says he wasn't) presumably dragging him out of the store by the neck is a complete no no?

Doesn't seem like a proportionate use of force? Plus shouldn't the guard be carrying out a citizen's arrest and retaining him rather than dragging him out of the store if he's done something illegal???

Two sides to every story of course, but this doesn't seem right! 

 

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Zulu 22

The man's 12 year old sister had turned a display radio on and it was rather loud. I have not been aware of that being an arrestable offence.

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2 hours ago, Techie1 said:

...presumably dragging him out of the store by the neck is a complete no no?

Why would it be?

2 hours ago, Techie1 said:

Doesn't seem like a proportionate use of force?

He's a member of the public so the test for his use of force is not whether it's proportionate but whether it's reasonable in the circumstances as he believed them to be. Even if it were we have no idea what it is or isn't in proportion to. 

2 hours ago, Techie1 said:

Plus shouldn't the guard be carrying out a citizen's arrest and retaining him rather than dragging him out of the store if he's done something illegal???

He would be perfectly entitled to eject him as a trespasser if he chose, there's no obligation to arrest anyone. How many drunk football fans do we simply push away on match days or revellers during NTE policing to prevent a BOP rather than arresting them?

It is an impactive use of force by someone who looks relatively calm and in control, who had the physical advantage to begin with so probably wouldn't have to resort to such force as a first choice and which you rarely see from shop loss prevention staff, and that does make me wonder what's prompted him to do that in the first place. Perhaps he has overreacted; there is a mention of some sort of restorative justice which is a nothing disposal if the force used was really so excessive in the circumstances. Is it just possible that perhaps we're seeing half a story here... 

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