Fedster + 1,307 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) This just happened in Nelson Manchester Road Posted by Waki Waqason Wednesday, 15 July 2015 Quite depressing how freely people so blatantly abuse officers to their face! Edited July 15, 2015 by Fedster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
met1 15 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Is it just me or has policing seriously changed in the last 10 years......is this the norm now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash 32 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Quite depressing how freely people so blatantly abuse officers to their face! You think thats abuse that amounts to "depressing", really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedster + 1,307 Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 You think thats abuse that amounts to "depressing", really? Obviously not literally. what do you make of the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Police Constable 1 + 2,071 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Why does it say Manchester yobs? have I missed something? That was Lancashire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash 32 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Should have produced ID if he wanted to go about his business. He chose to exercise his right not to produce his ID and the hence the result. Not sure if the the alleged use of incapacitate spray was necessary. Edited July 15, 2015 by Dash Drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedster + 1,307 Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Why does it say Manchester yobs? have I missed something? That was Lancashire. yes you are right will get it changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sappmer 219 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Should have produced ID if he wanted to go about his business. He chose to exercise his right not to produce his ID and the hence the result. Not sure if the the alleged use of incapacitate spray was necessary. If the spray was used then it's because he was resisting the officers efforts to control him, their primary control skills are failing to subdue him so an escalation was needed. If it was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash 32 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 If the spray was used then it's because he was resisting the officers efforts to control him, their primary control skills are failing to subdue him so an escalation was needed. If it was used. Where about in the video did you observe the primary control skills failing? Are you just providing a non-impartial statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sappmer 219 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) From -05:35 minutes until about -04:30 (can't get the time in + sorry) the male continually pulls away and resists attempts by officers to place him in handcuffs. What the officers were doing to take control was obviously ineffective so they escalated to the next measure to gain control, which was effective, the male was cuffed and placed in the van. Simple really and easy to observe, not a biased statement. Edited July 15, 2015 by Sappmer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookyy2k 536 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=924702337589419&id=421981744528150&comment_tracking={"tn"%3A"O"} Nice to see the comments largely being pro for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash 32 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 From -05:35 minutes until about -04:30 (can't get the time in + sorry) the male continually pulls away and resists attempts by officers to place him in handcuffs. What the officers were doing to take control was obviously ineffective so they escalated to the next measure to gain control, which was effective, the male was cuffed and placed in the van. Simple really and easy to observe, not a biased statement. Not convinced by that logic. The man was sprayed and I did not see any urgency by the Officers to place him in cuffs or other restraints after the application of the alleged "spraying". One could argue there was no immediate urgency to get him in restraints as it appears the control they had prior to "spraying" was no different to the control after the "spraying" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookyy2k 536 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Not convinced by that logic. The man was sprayed and I did not see any urgency by the Officers to place him in cuffs or other restraints after the application of the alleged "spraying". One could argue there was no immediate urgency to get him in restraints as it appears the control they had prior to "spraying" was no different to the control after the "spraying" Who said you need urgency to put him in restraint? Lets look at facts, officer tried to put him in cuffs, DP resists being put into cuffs. At that point it is perfectly reasonable to apply PAVA to get the desired effects and guess what it did, they got him in cuffs and put him in the van. I'd say good police work all round. My only criticism would be the apparent reluctance of the first officer to put the window in meaning the 2nd had to do it but then I don't blame him when the Monday morning quarterbacks step in so frequently these days. Edited July 15, 2015 by cookyy2k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash 32 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Who said you need urgency to put him in restraint? Nobody, you are not paying attention. Lets look at facts, officer tried to put him in cuffs, DP resists being put into cuffs. At that point it is perfectly reasonable to apply PAVA to get the desired effects and guess what it did, they got him in cuffs and put him in the van. I suggest the application of the "PAVA" did not contribute to the officers getting him in the van. I'd say good police work all round. My only criticism would be the apparent reluctance of the first officer to put the window in meaning the 2nd had to do it but then I don't blame him when the Monday morning quarterbacks step in so frequently these days. If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sappmer 219 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Nobody, you are not paying attention. You did. You implied to use the spray you have to have urgency. You don't. All you need is an uncompliant person. Also, once again Dash you are arguing with people who encounter these situations day in and day out, who have been thoroughly trained in the appropriate use of force and the law surrounding them. I am telling you, as a professional, that using Pava spray is an appropriate way to gain control of a situation where a person is unwilling to comply and primary control skills (such as grappling and trying to move his arms around to apply cuffs) has failed. it appears the control they had prior to "spraying" was no different to the control after the "spraying" The control they had prior to the spray was not existing, they tried to apply handcuffs and he pulled away, and every time they tried he'd resist. After the spraying they gained control, applied the cuffs and put him in the van. If you are in control of something and you want something to happen it happens. If you want something to happen and it doesn't happen then you are not in control. I suggest the application of the "PAVA" did not contribute to the officers getting him in the van. Surprise, you suggest wrong. The Pava gained the persons compliance which meant officers were able to apply cuffs and put him in the van quickly thereafter. I sometimes wonder do you just play devils advocate on every thread just to get a discussion going or are you just a troll? I have never once seen you agree with anything and you disagree with everything no matter what evidence is put to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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