New Met police video

[mike88 + 257]

 

 

[David + 4,981]

I honestly don't know what all that was about, but once again it just seems we are standing there ineffectually as those people go on and on. Depending on the situation of course (which I'd like to know more of), again, what message does this send out?

 

[By the way, I have edited the title: whilst I agreed with its sentiments, not so sure about the impression it gives.]

[mike88 + 257]

[By the way, I have edited the title: whilst I agreed with its sentiments, not so sure about the impression it gives.]

Youre right, it just winds me up to see people theatening police officers so confidently without any repercussion.

[David + 4,981]

I will, yet again, repeat a story from Benidorm. I was on holiday, out at night, lovely atmosphere. Two lads, drunk but non-offensive, were drinking from bottles. Two Policia Local approached the lads. 'No drinking in street' one said. Neither officer any taller than me (5' 9") but powerfully built. 'Nah mate we're alright having fun yeah?'. 'No drinking in street' repeated one of the officers. 'Nah, we're OK' was the reply. Without preamble, one of the officers said 'No drinking in street' and pushed, hard, one of the males on his shoulders. Down went the male with a crump, immediately both males surrendered 'wohhhh OK' and surrendered their drink. My bet is they would never, ever consider arguing with Spanish authorities again that night, if ever.

 

Would I advocate that behaviour from our police? At one point I'd have said a firm 'no', but now? Having stood down in 2013, my opinions are slowly changing. In any event it illustrates the difference in procedures and how it was I felt a darned sight safer in Benidorm late at night than I do in any UK town now where the police stand there pleading and whining for half an hour at the offender to give the booze up else they will get themselves arrested when they never do, or fear carrying out stop and searches.

[MerseyLLB 8,426]

The mixed race lad needed locking up.

 

spray him, taser him, whatever.

 

if he does that to the police how does he deal with local MOPs who cross his path.

[Eddzz!! + 149]

Anyone know how this situation ended up? I'm sorry, but if any of those lads had got that close to me then I would have had baton / taser out. There's no way I'm being intimidated by a bunch of antisocial yobs. Police are there to do a job, not to be threatened. Absolutely disgusting behaviour. 

Edited July 2, 2015 by Eddzz!!

[Fedster + 1,307]

Anyone know how this situation ended up? I'm sorry, but if any of those lads had got that close to me then I would have had baton / taser out. There's no way I'm being intimidated by a bunch of antisocial yobs. Police are there to do a job, not to be threatened. Absolutely disgusting behaviour. 

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/video-i-will-take-you-out-police-threatened-by-gang-after-leeds-road-accident-1-7339112

This was the shocking moment police were apparently threatened by a group of men after responding to reports of a road crash in Leeds.

The video – taken in Seacroft on Tuesday evening – captures the gang confronting four police officers who arrived following the collision at the junction of Wetherby Road and Kentmere Gate.

In an expletive-riddled exchange, one of the officers is threatened as he reaches for his Taser.

One of the men says: “If you pull that out and shoot him, I will take you out – know that. I will take you out if you shoot him with your Taser.”

 

The officers are repeatedly heard telling the group to “move away” and “calm down” as their confrontation gets increasingly heated.

But the man is reluctant to back down, adding: “If he [the officer] goes near me with that [Taser] I will punch him in the face to protect myself.”

Another voice, thought to be the person recording the incident, then boasts that he will “back” his friend.

The video was initially posted on Facebook and was viewed nearly 60,000 times before being taken down.

Today West Yorkshire Police confirmed three men had been arrested on suspicion of public order offences.

Inspector Jon Mellor, who heads the Leeds inner east neighbourhood policing team, said: “At about 7pm on Tuesday, officers were called to a road traffic collision at the junction of the A58 Wetherby Road and Kentmere Gate, in Seacroft.

“There were also reports of people fighting and the driver of one of the vehicles involved had left the scene.

“As officers attempted to arrest one of the passengers for a public order offence he disappeared into a group of about 12 to 14 men some of whom became aggressive and threatening towards the officers.

“The officers stood their ground and calmed the situation to the point where the suspect could be safely arrested and the vehicle recovered.

“The 30-year-old man who was arrested has now been charged with a public order offence and is due to appear at Leeds Magistrates Court on July 17.

“Our investigation is ongoing into the incident and we have today arrested two men, aged 26 and 27, on suspicion of public order offences and are actively seeking other suspects.

“We will not tolerate threatening and aggressive behaviour in public and those who think they can behave like this without having to face the consequences will find out that is not the case.

“The officers involved in this very intimidating situation dealt with it calmly in the face of extreme provocation and I would like to commend them for their professionalism.”

[Eddzz!! + 149]

All's well that ends well then...

[jamieMET + 121]

Still only end in a slapped wrist mind

[CountyCop + 178]

Anyone know how this situation ended up? I'm sorry, but if any of those lads had got that close to me then I would have had baton / taser out. There's no way I'm being intimidated by a bunch of antisocial yobs. Police are there to do a job, not to be threatened. Absolutely disgusting behaviour. 

And you would have potentially been rushed and over powered by 12-14 men looking for a fight.

People shout, abuse and threaten us, in situations like that we just have to make do.  I personally would not fancy my chances against a crowd like that with only 3 officers as my back up, what is a taser or baton going to do?  You can only taser one person and potentially strike one person. Trust me speaking from experience, trying to strike one person in the right place with a baton is hard enough, let alone 4 + males trying to have a go. A dog would have been very good in this situation,  or 6 more officers.... all though I think a lot of us on here would be lucky to get that support quickly!

Sometimes it is a lot more effective to take a step back and to not react to the jibes, there's no point taking on a crowd like that unless you have the resources to deal with it. Those men were incredibly frustrating and very annoying, I think that the officers acted very well in the situation, I am reasonably sure the court of public opinion would be against those men anyway. 

[David + 4,981]

The argument is CountyCop the police should never have allowed themselves to stand their ineffectually in the first place. It's been coming for some years.

Anyone remember that clip from early this year from a group of teenagers? Abusive and offensive in the extreme, all on camera, the police almost skulked off back to their car and drove away with the abuse and offensive comments still going on. By taking a step back we merely underpin such behaviour is unacceptable since we are reluctant to tackle it, and so it goes on.

Had the police taken a grip on such situations instead of bowing/pandering to armchair critics they might not be exposed to such abuse now. Try doing that with that with some foreign forces and see how far you get.

But of course we need backing and support from the media and politicians, let alone the Home Secretary, and that isn't likely.

[Eddzz!! + 149]

The argument is CountyCop the police should never have allowed themselves to stand their ineffectually in the first place. It's been coming for some years.

Anyone remember that clip from early this year from a group of teenagers? Abusive and offensive in the extreme, all on camera, the police almost skulked off back to their car and drove away with the abuse and offensive comments still going on. By taking a step back we merely underpin such behaviour is unacceptable since we are reluctant to tackle it, and so it goes on.

Had the police taken a grip on such situations instead of bowing/pandering to armchair critics they might not be exposed to such abuse now. Try doing that with that with some foreign forces and see how far you get.

But of course we need backing and support from the media and politicians, let alone the Home Secretary, and that isn't likely.

Completely with David on this one. I'd have stepped up if only to defend the respect that police and myself as a constable deserve. The fact that the officers are outnumbered here is the fault of the government. If those yobs wanted to have a go then I'd have a go back. That isn't fighting talk, that's me standing up for something I believe in (whether or not it gets me a kicking in).

[CountyCop + 178]

Completely with David on this one. I'd have stepped up if only to defend the respect that police and myself as a constable deserve. The fact that the officers are outnumbered here is the fault of the government. If those yobs wanted to have a go then I'd have a go back. That isn't fighting talk, that's me standing up for something I believe in (whether or not it gets me a kicking in).

I don't know if your a serving officer or not Eddzz but your coming across as a little naive, drawing your baton or having a go at people to gain there respect just won't work. It doesn't matter what you believe in, you have a job to do to assess at situation and act accordingly, to find the safest outcome for yourself, the public and your colleagues. Taking the action you suggest would only add fuel to the situation, and put yourself and colleagues at risk.

 As I have already said I feel yours and others frustration about the behaviour in your video, the reality is this abuse is common place in the police. There will be times we can deal with it in a robust manner and times when we have to walk away, as has been said by many an old sweat 'they will come again'.

[Milankovitch + 3,445]

Completely with David on this one. I'd have stepped up if only to defend the respect that police and myself as a constable deserve. The fact that the officers are outnumbered here is the fault of the government. If those yobs wanted to have a go then I'd have a go back. That isn't fighting talk, that's me standing up for something I believe in (whether or not it gets me a kicking in).

You aren't defending anything when you are getting your head kicked in. I think you've said before you are a recently attested Special who is still learning; you'll soon learn something like this isn't worth taking a kicking over.

 

Sometimes you've just got to take it on the chin until the situation is more in your favour. That is frustrating sometimes but making rash decisions that unnecessarily escalate the situation doesn't help anybody. I didn't really appreciate that when I was working in a busy city with back up around the corner as it were but working in the back of beyond now with back up an hour away? Boy do you learn to take it on the chin and locking them up later when the drink and drugs have worn off and they aren't feeling so brave is just as satisfying.

Edited July 2, 2015 by Milankovitch
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[Shmook + 532]

Completely with David on this one. I'd have stepped up if only to defend the respect that police and myself as a constable deserve. The fact that the officers are outnumbered here is the fault of the government. If those yobs wanted to have a go then I'd have a go back. That isn't fighting talk, that's me standing up for something I believe in (whether or not it gets me a kicking in).

I'm with countycop on this. Stepping back saved it from going off.

I fully understand David's reasoning, and it should never have got to this where there is no respect for the police, but it is what it is at the moment.

However, Eddzz, are you really saying you would have waded in and escalated the situation and taken a kicking possibly resulting in permanent injury/disability or worse, for the sake of a couple of scrotes gobbing off and hurting your pride? Not waiting for support or bringing them in at a later date?

Maybe I think different because I have a wife and child to go home to. I won't gamble on something like that if there's a chance I could be feeding through a straw for the rest of my life, I doubt they would appreciate it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting stuck in, and do when necessary, but pick your fights.

Once again, it's terrible how it's come to this, but there are different ways of skinning a cat. And yes, I realise the justice system is a mess too, but it's not worth dying for.

 

edit, I typed this before countycop and milankovitch replied, I didn't see

Edited July 2, 2015 by Shmook
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