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XA84

Hi all, 

I'm wondering if anyone would be able to point out the differences in training and examinations for the various types of driving permits for officers. At present my force currently has basic, response and advanced. 

Any advice is appreciated. 

XA84

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Eebs

Varies massively force to force,

 

Some forces allow you to skip standard response and go straight to advance I believe?(might be wrong)

In some counties I was reading it's 3 weeks and others 2 week response course, they're attempting to bring in a new 1 week blue light course however no exemptions.

 

Basic driving is literally 30mins-1hr around the block, high performance/x5 basic is half a day.

 

If you're new to safe stop, you need a response course Cop guidelines have changed, if you had it grandfather rights apply 

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Mac7

Basic - observe all limits, signage etc. Generally normally driving. Some forces have done away with being assessed on this. Others have a one hour check drive with an instructor.

Standard - 3 weeks driving to the system of car control. Including automatic vehicles and response driving on blues with a 20 plus limit to exceeding speeds. Standard exemptions.

Adavanced - 5 weeks. Can be 4 depending on specialism. The 5th week is pursuit training. The course differs from standard due to advance positioning, advance overtaking, higher speeds, making progress safely without blues, 4x4 input, driving plain cars with covert lights, higher speeds etc.

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Xray

Where I am, the basic driving permit is a couple of hours being assessed in an unmarked vehicle for A to B use. The standard car permit which includes emergency response training is a two week course, and the advanced course is four weeks driving high performance vehicles. Having obtained the basic and standard car permits, things such as secure transport vans, PSU carriers, 4x4 tickets are an add-on that are given if and when required. 

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IrateShrike

My basic course was 5 days.  It was essentially a standard course without using EWE or any exemptions.  The system was drilled in from the outset and it was genuinely the most difficult driving course I've ever done due to it addressing all my bad habits and turning my style of driving on its head.  I believe my force has now cut it down to just a day or two.

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Beaker

As I understand it :: 

A-B  :: Low powered vehicles only.  So the standard IR cars, but no blue lights etc.  Everyone does this one.  Takes about 30 minutes actual driving, and a few questions. 

Response :: 2 weeks response training.  I'm told it is probably the hardest course we do.  As I understand it still only allows you to take out the standard IR cars on Blues.  

IPP : Initial Pursuit training.  Again standard cars, but able to pursue initially until someone from TacOps can take over. I thin someone said it is a week.  

Advanced :: The fast cars like the 330d and it's ilk. Along with all the training. DOn't know how long it takes as I've been told 2 weeks, and another person said 4.  

On top of these we also do Van and Carrier conversions at least on the first 3.  Not sure about Advanced, but assume they will have all of the above anyway. 

We also have 4x4 driving courses, and rural vehicles for specialist officers.  

Regs can do any of the above.  SCs only get A-B Cars, Vans and Carrier.  

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Policey_Man
On ‎06‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 08:11, XA84 said:

Hi all, 

I'm wondering if anyone would be able to point out the differences in training and examinations for the various types of driving permits for officers. At present my force currently has basic, response and advanced. 

Any advice is appreciated. 

XA84

I think the answer to your question, like many things, is that there isn't a single national answer. A lot of this is still force specific at the moment.

There is, however, a national standard as set down by the College of Policing which issues guidance documents and has an APP (authorised professional practice) to set a national standard. The COP, with the National Police Chief's Council (NPCC) are trying to standardise things and so more and more forces will have similar courses in future - for example, the Met are changing this month to have all initial response courses as 3 week courses with no IPP or PSU from the start anymore and advanced courses will be extended to 4/5 weeks depending on which particular course you do and what you need the skills for (mainly a difference re pursuits).

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Policey_Man
On ‎07‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 18:26, Eebs said:

In some counties I was reading it's 3 weeks and others 2 week response course, they're attempting to bring in a new 1 week blue light course however no exemptions.

Seriously, what's the point of a blue light course with no exemptions? I have never done a blue light run and not used an exemption!

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PaJama Police

As has been mentioned, although there are some national categories to make it easier to provide aid and transfer skills, the main ones being basic, standard response and advanced, beyond that you have infinite variation on a force by force basis.  The length of training for these levels also seems to be very locally dependent.  

In the Met, we have the main national categories in one section of the permit, and then another section where endless codes can be written that give more detail as to what you can do.  I have codes for driving covert response vehicles, initial pursuit, 4x4, PSU Carrier, and towing, and they all involved separate training.  While I am standard response (with initial pursuit add-on), you can lose the initial pursuit element of that (at refresher training) and still be standard response without any pursuit capability.  Some officers are only allowed to drive covert advanced cars, and TPAC is a add-on above the course for marked advanced cars.

With regard to exemptions, it is important to remember that there are only three exemptions, "speed, keep left signs, and red ATS".  If you breach any other driving rules you could be facing careless or dangerous driving!  If you cause or are involved in an accident while using an exemption, the exemptions are not a get out of jail free card.

The question of speed guidelines seems to be enforced by limiting the types of vehicle that standard response drivers can drive in response mode.  I have seen emails reminding Advanced drivers that they can also be investigated to see if their use of speed is excessive.  When I was training, I was told 30mph above posted speed, and 100mph on motorways and dual carriageways, but I think this was more of a guideline than a rule, and I have never seen it written down.  We were pushed far beyond that in training to get us out of our comfort zone!   Operationally, it has never been an issue for me, as the main advantage of being response is safely navigating red ATS and overtaking stationary and slow moving traffic.  

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