Odie 13 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hi all, Currently going through my training for SC (Home Learning Stage) and I do see a lot of these types of videos claiming about Common Law and not having to provide info, not consenting, doesn't believe in acts etc. It will be a question I take up with our trainers when we start the practical & classroom side of things but wanted some info from the guys already on the street. It's a fairly long video (Got to 15mins and then moved on) but the long and short was that this gentleman was stopped and refused to provide details. I'm sure this will come up at some point but for those out there Policing, what would be the best way to handle a scenario like this? It just seems to go round in circles. Appreciate any info / help given...Apologies if this video has been posted before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrateShrike + 1,850 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Sorry I got to about 90 seconds and got bored. To keep it brief - he's committed numerous offences already (failing to produce his documents and then failing to give a name, address and DOB) and there appears to be a clear arrest necessity as his name and address are unknown. Therefore he should be nicked and charged. If the officers had bodycam footage make sure it goes on the file and is summarised as key visually recorded evidence just so the court no how much of an idiot he is and how much unnecessary expense he has created for the taxpayer. As for your comment about "goes round in circles" - it does so because the police in this country generally have more patience and tolerance with idiots than the average person, and certainly more than police officers in foreign forces. It is in their hands really, the freeman has no power whatsoever and is firmly on the wrong side of the law. Edited June 18, 2015 by Lone Wolf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerseyLLB 8,426 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Just lock him up! that was a 38 stage appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyB + 451 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Why do so many offices go around in circles or get tied up? Is it too much patience or just an unwillingness to waste several hours with the arrest and process for what they see as a minor annoyance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiteSpecial 10 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 He seems to know as much about the law as he does about microwaves (skip to 33.45). I've yet to come into contact with a freeman or sovereign or whatever they call themselves, while I'm quite happy to debate behind a keyboard I wouldn't want to be drawn into an argument in person. They misinterpret 'policing by consent'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richhamdo + 878 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Why do so many offices go around in circles or get tied up? Is it too much patience or just an unwillingness to waste several hours with the arrest and process for what they see as a minor annoyance? AnthonyB, From my observations over the years I see it just as you say,ie why spend half an hour or maybe double that if they are full driving to custody when in all probability as soon as you arrive at the desk they give all their details, then the drive back for nothing, better to spend the time talking to the subject in the hope that they will be reasonable and provide their details,I have done the same sort of thing myself on quite a few occasions,for example getting drunks on their way home when they didn't want to go rather than putting them in the van and depleting our resources at the busiest of times for who knows how long,it's true that some bobbies have more patience than others,and I hasten to add that there is nothing wrong with taking to custody those who fail or refuse to provide their particulars having being asked to do so two or three times.I think the longer you have been at it the more patient you become ha,but of one thing I am certain,sooner or later their name and address,dob etc will be established,just as certain as day follows night.Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney_Doris 29 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Why do so many offices go around in circles or get tied up? Is it too much patience or just an unwillingness to waste several hours with the arrest and process for what they see as a minor annoyance? Because a lot of the time you can bore these people into submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddzz!! + 149 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 "Natural stuff only" ... eats kebab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murtaugh + 21 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's where these buffoons get mixed up. They heard from a friend, who watched another buffoon on YouTube, and think they know the law. Should have lifted him for failing to provide details, he was given plenty of chances. Would anyone gone as far as seizing the vehicle as suspected stolen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosingGrip + 301 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I've met the same one twice now. The first time I think I dealt with it ok (was a thread on here, but video has been deleted). Few things I would change. Second time one was last week or the week before. Lot easier as I knew his name etc. still he filmed me, but reported him to court as he was on nine points. Know your powers is the best bit of advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotLass + 638 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 There was a similar thread going about for a bit... Here it is Haven't watched your video but it seems like a similar situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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