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Female police officers 'nearly died' after intervening in row between ex-special forces man and his wife

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Mazza

Relevance of them being female?

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Zulu 22

If the circumstances where known at the time then male officers should have been sent to such a volatile incident. It could be possible that the full details were not known, but it also highlights that a violent man will have no regard for Police either female or male but, if known the risk should be reduced.

He might have been ex special forces but to describe him as a "Man" is insulting to the majority of the male population. At least he has time to reflect.

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Burnsy2023
47 minutes ago, Zulu 22 said:

If the circumstances where known at the time then male officers should have been sent to such a volatile incident.

No, if the circumstances were anticipated beforehand L2 officers should have been deployed. That could be male or female but would have been equipped to deal. Your sexist attitudes miss the point that this is a skills, equipment and resource issue, not a gender one.

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No, if the circumstances were anticipated beforehand L2 officers should have been deployed. That could be male or female but would have been equipped to deal. Your sexist attitudes miss the point that this is a skills, equipment and resource issue, not a gender one.


Oh please be real. There are some fantastic female officers at my station and some of whom I wouldn’t like to scrap with. However, by and large if I know I’m going to a fight I would prefer a male officer.

That is not sexism, that is biology.
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mike88

Even if they knew he was ex special forces that doesn’t mean you brake out a PSU unless he’s been particularly violent in the past. And if it wasn’t two male officers you can’t say the result would’ve been any different, he might’ve actually reacted even more violently to two males and actually killed them. To me the obvious answer is upping our OST and equipping every officer with a taser to even the odds.

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Oh please be real. There are some fantastic female officers at my station and some of whom I wouldn’t like to scrap with. However, by and large if I know I’m going to a fight I would prefer a male officer.

That is not sexism, that is biology.
I'd rather have a properly risk assessed response which could include L2 trained and equipped officers, taser officers or an ARV with an AEP.

What I don't want is a broken jaw because someone thought sending a bloke was a better option than sending a woman and that was the end of their "thought process".
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What I don't want is a broken jaw because someone thought sending a bloke was a better option than sending a woman and that was the end of their "thought process".

 

 

This. I’m a fairly big guy, and reasonably strong. However I’m not dumb enough to think I can do everything because I’m a bloke. I’d sooner have a 5’ tall girl with a Taser over me with the little metal hitty stick when things get hairy.

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Zulu 22
18 hours ago, Burnsy2023 said:

No, if the circumstances were anticipated beforehand L2 officers should have been deployed. That could be male or female but would have been equipped to deal. Your sexist attitudes miss the point that this is a skills, equipment and resource issue, not a gender one.

Absolute rubbish. I am glad to have a sexist attitude on this because I happened to value the safety of my female officers. In such an incident I would have sent male officers because biologically they would be better equipped. Had I been outside I would also have attended. From the report it is not clear if the details of the incident were fully known before their despatch to the incident.  The incident may have been similar to the Dale Cregan incident at Hattersley when our two female officers were murdered as they were walking into a trap.

Officer safety is paramount but it has to be managed. Having said that I have also known female officers, a farmers daughter, who was capable. She dropped the Self Defence Instructor to his knees. He picked on her for a demonstration  saying something like "I am going to attack you and I want you to try and defend yourself.  He never picked on her again.

We would never ant any officer being injured but it is a fact of life that it happens.  We know that a large number of those we deal with are hero's when they think that they can get away with it. What this related incident showed is that many are born cowards. 

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Pathca

I seriously doubt that Cregans actions would have been any different whatever sex the officers 

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The incident may have been similar to the Dale Cregan incident at Hattersley when our two female officers were murdered as they were walking into a trap.

Do you think the outcome of this particular incident would have been different if the officers were male?
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Reasonable Man

Not all fighters are cads and bounders. I’ve been involved with several over my time who wouldn’t hit a woman but loved a bundle with a male officer. I’ve sent a female officer in first as it was more likely that she would be more effective in her tactical comms and talk the suspect out without the need for a fight.
Each case on its merits, risk assess and horses for courses.

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On 11/10/2018 at 17:03, Zulu 22 said:

If the circumstances where known at the time then male officers should have been sent to such a volatile incident. It could be possible that the full details were not known, but it also highlights that a violent man will have no regard for Police either female or male but, if known the risk should be reduced.

Given that then, what's your rationale for sending in a single man?

5 hours ago, Zulu 22 said:

Absolute rubbish. I am glad to have a sexist attitude on this because I happened to value the safety of my female officers. In such an incident

You couldn't give a stuff about the safety of your male officers then?

It's one thing being gallant, but I can't actually believe you've written what you have. For years women have battled for equality in all sorts of areas, not least the police when they were expected to merely comfort crying women and hold babies. That being the case, in the cold light of day, isn't it a case of once you've fought for equality and thence signed on the dotted line, you take what's coming with it?

The issue here is lack of resources, not the gender of the officer(s) attending which should have no bearing on the job at all.

 

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Zulu 22
6 minutes ago, David said:

Given that then, what's your rationale for sending in a single man?

You couldn't give a stuff about the safety of your male officers then?

It's one thing being gallant, but I can't actually believe you've written what you have. For years women have battled for equality in all sorts of areas, not least the police when they were expected to merely comfort crying women and hold babies. That being the case, in the cold light of day, isn't it a case of once you've fought for equality and thence signed on the dotted line, you take what's coming with it?

The issue here is lack of resources, not the gender of the officer(s) attending which should have no bearing on the job at all.

 

Read my comments again. What part of "Officer safety is paramount" can you not understand. It all depends on the circumstances and, if they are known. As this is reported we have no idea if they knew what officers would be walking into. Had they known it would have made sense to have handled differently than having two female officers injured.

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Zulu 22
5 hours ago, Pathca said:

I seriously doubt that Cregans actions would have been any different whatever sex the officers 

That was point I was making, that the circumstances were not known. It happened on my old patch and the Comms  had no idea that the call was a set up by a criminal physicopath.  It would have made no difference who attended that day. One of Fionna's colleagues committed suicide as a result. It just happens that you, consiously or not try and protect any female, that is not sexist it is human nature.

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