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Chaos

Kingdom's litter rules about to get harsher | Wirral Globe

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http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/16686505.kingdoms-litter-rules-about-to-get-harsher/

 

"Officers will also be asked to enforce the law that makes it illegal for anyone to smoke in a vehicle carrying someone under the age of 18."

 

"As well as that, the new fixed penalty notice for littering will rise by £20 – from £80 to £1"

 

"The new rules will see Kingdom able to hand out fines for those caught smoking in a vehicle driven for work."

 

 

So if a 17 year old was driving his vehicle and smoking at the same time.... Would they ticket him?

 

I can see more and more calls to the police asking to assist with aggressive members of the public...

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10 minutes ago, Chaos said:

So if a 17 year old was driving his vehicle and smoking at the same time.... Would they ticket him?

They shouldn't, as there's no offence so long as nobody else in the car is under 18.

7.12 It will not be an offence for an underage person to smoke if they are alone in a vehicle because of the requirement for there to be more than one person present for a private vehicle to be smokefree. So, for instance, a car with a 17 year old driver on their own does not become a smokefree place. But if there is another person in the car, whether under 18 or over, the vehicle is smokefree. If the additional person is under 18, then it is important that they are protected by the legislation. If the additional person is over 18 then it is important that it is an offence for the adult to smoke.

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They shouldn't, as there's no offence so long as nobody else in the car is under 18.
7.12 It will not be an offence for an underage person to smoke if they are alone in a vehicle because of the requirement for there to be more than one person present for a private vehicle to be smokefree. So, for instance, a car with a 17 year old driver on their own does not become a smokefree place. But if there is another person in the car, whether under 18 or over, the vehicle is smokefree. If the additional person is under 18, then it is important that they are protected by the legislation. If the additional person is over 18 then it is important that it is an offence for the adult to smoke.
Loophole ledgistation.... So it's smoke free if more than one person is in the vehicle....

What if it was two 17 year olds... One that was smoking

Or a 17 year old smoking next to a 18 year old that wasn't...

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Dont have a problem really with the increase in fine, however, the main issue as usual will be is there sensible enforcement and common sense?

In relation to the smoking in cars thing, it’s a poorly thought out offence. They won’t be ticketing many people, they can’t stop cars anyway so would be relying on someone parked up smoking in the car just as they are passing. Very unlikely, and the person would probably just drive away.

 

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18 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Loophole ledgistation.... So it's smoke free if more than one person is in the vehicle....

What if it was two 17 year olds... One that was smoking

Or a 17 year old smoking next to a 18 year old that wasn't...
 

 

43 minutes ago, Sceptre said:

... if there is another person in the car, whether under 18 or over, the vehicle is smokefree...

 

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Yes I understand that... But the whole point of the legislation is to protect children from passive smoking... 

What's the point of issuing a ticket to a 17 year old in his own vehicle smoking becouse he's sat next to another 17 year old who is also likes a smoke every now and then.... becouse if I'm right from what I'm reading then the enforcement officer could do this....

 

The 17 year old smoker could just step out of the vehicle and continue to smoke away next to his friend...

 

It would make more sense if they kept it to under 16 years of age being present and anyone who is legal age of driving that shouldn't smoke.

 

 

 

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The smoking law especially annoys me as it's pointless, unenforceble legislation, very poorly thought out that was pushed through parliament when we had far bigger issues to tackle at the time.

It just stinks of the nanny state mentality  that our Parliament seems determined to push.

I remember when the legislation came into force and the email memo was sent out to us all, we all laughed - who's going to enforce this? Why would a cop want to? This was at a time my local county traffic unit was disbanded/merged into a generic ops team... 

Councils selling their enforcement duties out for profit to private security outfits who won't be interested in tackling things that matter such as flytipping which is difficult and protracted to effectively investigate... Instead these firms will be going after cigarette butt throwers outside of train stations, criminalising largely law abiding people because these companies know they will be the ones that will pay the fines.

This kind of action and enforcement is why we have the likes of 'Freemen' spouting 'corporate conspiracy' nonsense every five minutes - long gone is common sense, discretionary based policing with 'real' representatives of public authority patrollng the streets - cops don't do beats anymore, local council doesn't appoint or train real wardens anymore, it is all sidelined off to private firms who employ enforcement types interested in only issuing fines for poultry offences.

You ever stop and think the conspiracy loons may sometimes just have a point? 

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