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Fedster
1 hour ago, BlueBob said:

More barrister money making and tax payer waste for legal fees.  It was faily obvious that the court couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything.  Ther3 is a law in pace, the courts role is to support the law and at this time, BoJo has not failed in following the law.  True waste by the remainder wasters, trying to defy THE vote.  If it wasn’t for the wasted money, it would be a true comedy show

 

 

 

A no deal is not the will of the people, leavers as well as remainers hate it, so how is it defying the vote?

How is tax payers money being wasted? As far as I am aware this case is being funded privately.

What makes you think the courts won’t do anything?

Boris has repeatedly failed to say he will obey the law, it is perfectly right and proper for the courts to intervene and uphold the rule of law.

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Zulu 22

It is the will of the people that we leave. Johnson has been criticised for using such words as "Traitor" and "Surrender"  Those words sum up those who are doing everything to thwart the will of the people. It seems that it is alright for the EU Commission to use those words though. The anti democratic Remainers should be ashamed. 

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BlueBob
1 hour ago, Fedster said:

 

A no deal is not the will of the people, leavers as well as remainers hate it, so how is it defying the vote?

How is tax payers money being wasted? As far as I am aware this case is being funded privately.

What makes you think the courts won’t do anything?

Boris has repeatedly failed to say he will obey the law, it is perfectly right and proper for the courts to intervene and uphold the rule of law.

I wasn't;t aware the application as privately funded.  But surely, even though they let their claim, that private funding will not be paying for the cost to defend against it- that's to say the government's costs, I mean the tax payers costs.    
Its not that the court won't do anything f BopJo fails to do as required by law.  But the court would not want to take action until such time as he does fail to follow it.  Bit like the theft act, it tells us not to commit theft - no need for a court to do it.  Which follows on that whilst BoJo may not say he will do as required by law, until he fails to do so, he is, and it surprises me to say this, he is presumed to be innocent of naughtinessuntil then.

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Fedster
6 hours ago, BlueBob said:

I wasn't;t aware the application as privately funded.  But surely, even though they let their claim, that private funding will not be paying for the cost to defend against it- that's to say the government's costs, I mean the tax payers costs.    
Its not that the court won't do anything f BopJo fails to do as required by law.  But the court would not want to take action until such time as he does fail to follow it.  Bit like the theft act, it tells us not to commit theft - no need for a court to do it.  Which follows on that whilst BoJo may not say he will do as required by law, until he fails to do so, he is, and it surprises me to say this, he is presumed to be innocent of naughtinessuntil then.

But Boris is a compulsive liar he told the court via written submission that he will obey and not frustrate the Benn Act but within hours No 10 officials were briefing journalists that they had no intention of taking any notice of the Benn Act. So are you really surprised that the court does not trust that the Government will follow the rule of law when Government officials themselves are briefing journalists that they have no intention of seeking to obtain an extension?

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Fedster

Actually I do take back what I said above, reading various bits of info it appears Boris could put a deal to Parliament which is basically a slight variation of May’s deal. I can’t see how that will pass considering it’s been rejected repeatedly before.*

 

* As ever these developments could be a damp squib or genuine negotiation between the 2 sides.

 

 

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BlueBob
4 hours ago, Fedster said:

But Boris is a compulsive liar he told the court via written submission that he will obey and not frustrate the Benn Act but within hours No 10 officials were briefing journalists that they had no intention of taking any notice of the Benn Act. So are you really surprised that the court does not trust that the Government will follow the rule of law when Government officials themselves are briefing journalists that they have no intention of seeking to obtain an extension?

Th court trusted BoJ enough not to take action, because unto the time of the hearing and so far, he has done nothing wrong.  What he says he will do and what actually happens are quite different things.  So much of this is smoke & mirrors - by all sides and perhaps, in the smoke we have forgotten that the underlying aim is to leave as per the Vote. I have no issue with a debate on the type of deal being sought and for that I would have no issue with delays - accepting its like a Chinese vote that we will never please all the options proposed by the UK and certainly they will not blend well with the while of the EU..  What I take exception to (remembering I have said I voted to stay)  is the underlying aim, no, make that direct aim is to ignore the original vote and try to remain.  
Until such time as BoJo fails to follow the law then the court involvement crosses the line from judicial to political

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Fedster

Interesting that the last time that aspect of May’s deal was tried it was lambasted by the ERG, DUP and even Boris himself, yet it is clear that Boris hates no deal so has effectively given into EU demands.

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Chief Cheetah

Didn't he resign over this deal last time?  Maybe when he reads it out loud to himself he'll hate it and resign again.

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Zulu 22

Do you believe everything you see on Twitter, the poor man's gossip medium. Would you believe a tweet from Trump, for instance?

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Fedster
54 minutes ago, Zulu 22 said:

Do you believe everything you see on Twitter, the poor man's gossip medium. Would you believe a tweet from Trump, for instance?

 

Twitter is used by respected political journalists from across all newspapers and other media outlets. The story I linked to is from Steve Swinford who works for the The Times , this story is also being reported on Twitter from most of the main media outlets.

The fact you are a big fan of Guido Fawkes means you are in no position to lecture others on the quality of sources they follow.

 

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Brexit: 'Mood music' positive for talks, Nicky Morgan says

  • 12 October 2019
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Image caption Culture Secretary Nicky Morgan said "speculation doesn't really help" and politicians needed to "stand back and give those negotiations and discussions the best chance of succeeding"

The "mood music" on negotiations between the UK and the EU on a potential Brexit deal "seems positive", the culture secretary has said.

Nicky Morgan reiterated that "lots of details" needed be to be worked out between both parties, after the EU had agreed to "intensify" talks.

On Thursday Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Boris Johnson said they could "see a pathway to a possible deal".

The UK is due to leave the EU at 23:00 GMT on 31 October.

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Image caption Boris Johnson and Leo Varadkar held talks on Thursday in Thornton Manor, in the Wirral

Ms Morgan told Radio 4's Today programme: "There's no doubt that things do look promising.

"The mood music - as you say - seems positive, but clearly there are lots of details that need to be worked out, and strong views on all sides."

She added that "speculation doesn't really help" and politicians needed to "stand back and give those negotiations and discussions the best chance of succeeding".

"Intense technical discussions" between the UK and the EU began on Saturday morning, after about a dozen British officials, including UK EU adviser David Frost, arrived in Brussels overnight.

Talks without a timetable

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By Gavin Lee, BBC Europe reporter

Since 10.30 this morning, about a dozen members of the UK's negotiating team have been inside the European Commission building in Brussels.

The talks are being led by the government's EU envoy David Frost, with a similar number of European officials across the table.

There is no scheduled timetable - the talks will continue while both teams believe something is workable.

But neither side is publicly offering any detail yet on the apparent common ground that has been found to ensure there is no physical infrastructure on the Irish border.

Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, says there is only the slightest chance that they will ultimately agree upon a deal, with time practically up.

If there is to be white smoke signalling a breakthrough, then the first public announcement may be on Monday morning, after the EU's 27 ambassadors have been updated on the progress so far.

Speaking in Cyprus on Friday, European Council President Donald Tusk said he had received "promising signals" from the Irish PM.

"Of course there is no guarantee of success and time is practically up, but even the slightest chance must be used," he added.

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Media captionBoris Johnson: Brexit is not a done deal

On Friday Mr Johnson said there was "a way to go" before a deal could be reached.

The prime minister put forward revised proposals for a deal last week, designed to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland after Brexit.

He said there was not "a done deal", adding: "The best thing we can do now is let our negotiators get on with it."

Brexiteer Sir John Redwood believes the prime minister should "table a free trade agreement" which would "unlock" most of the issues around borders and immigration.

He added: "I think the border issue is greatly exaggerated, because it is in the interest of the European Union and Ireland to exaggerate it."

Democratic Unionist Party leader Arlene Foster said: "Anything that traps Northern Ireland in the EU... will not have our support."

Support from DUP MPs could be crucial to get a deal through Parliament.

Ms Morgan was asked on the Today programme about reports of Downing Street briefings that the Tories could contest a general election on a no-deal Brexit ticket, if an agreement cannot be reached.

The Loughborough MP - who voted Remain - did not say whether she would contest an election on such a ticket, but said reports that Mr Johnson is preparing to fight a general election on a no deal platform are "wide of the mark".

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Timeline: What's happening ahead of Brexit deadline?

Monday 14 October - The Commons is due to return, and the government will use the Queen's Speech to set out its legislative agenda. The speech will then be debated by MPs throughout the week.

Thursday 17 October - Crucial two-day summit of EU leaders begins in Brussels. This is the last such meeting currently scheduled before the Brexit deadline.

Saturday 19 October - Special sitting of Parliament and the date by which the PM must ask the EU for another delay to Brexit under the Benn Act, if no Brexit deal has been approved by Parliament and they have not agreed to the UK leaving with no-deal.

Thursday 31 October - Date by which the UK is due to leave the EU, with or without a withdrawal agreement.

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Chief Cheetah

Can't recall who or where wrote it but I was reading earlier this week in relation to an agreement that the last time we were at this stage was with May's deal.  Once the agreement was had between the UK and the EU it then needs to written and agreed by both parties, this includes politicians and their legal representation.  All of this process for May's deal took 18 months so whilst were not saying it will take that long this time the fact he only has 5 days makes it impossible to have anything concrete in place by the 19th Oct.

Did anyone see Question Time last Thursday with the lady who had the smuggest look of victory on her face when she argued with Theo P that she new exactly what it was she voted for in 2016 but then went on to say that nobody knows what it is we will be getting.  She then said she was sick of remainers arguing using facts and figures.  You could feel the whole audience face palming.  Delusion at its most extreme.

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Zulu 22
2 hours ago, Chief Cheetah said:

Can't recall who or where wrote it but I was reading earlier this week in relation to an agreement that the last time we were at this stage was with May's deal.  Once the agreement was had between the UK and the EU it then needs to written and agreed by both parties, this includes politicians and their legal representation.  All of this process for May's deal took 18 months so whilst were not saying it will take that long this time the fact he only has 5 days makes it impossible to have anything concrete in place by the 19th Oct.

Did anyone see Question Time last Thursday with the lady who had the smuggest look of victory on her face when she argued with Theo P that she new exactly what it was she voted for in 2016 but then went on to say that nobody knows what it is we will be getting.  She then said she was sick of remainers arguing using facts and figures.  You could feel the whole audience face palming.  Delusion at its most extreme.

Actually the audience applauded her and Theo tried to talk over her and was very rude. The Lady did know what she voted for but, rightly, rightly said nobody knew what they would be getting, thanks to the M.P's who have done everything they can to ignore the majority. Even some on here have shown that they do not accept a democratic majority.

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