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Reasonable Man

Hey, remember back in July 2017 when Bohnson said, ‘There is no plan for no deal, because we’re going to get a great deal.’? And then in June this year when he said the chances of a no-deal Brexit are a ‘million to one against.’? 

Well have I missed the great deal we’ve got now? 

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Zulu 22
5 hours ago, Reasonable Man said:

Hey, remember back in July 2017 when Bohnson said, ‘There is no plan for no deal, because we’re going to get a great deal.’? And then in June this year when he said the chances of a no-deal Brexit are a ‘million to one against.’? 

Well have I missed the great deal we’ve got now? 

It needs compromise which the EU are not offering and if so it is they who could force a No deal situation. They have planning for a No deal situation but would prefer a deal.

It also appears that there are questions arising over the impartiality of the Supreme Court.  https://order-order.com/2019/10/07/baroness-hale-4-times-judge-overtly-political/

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Beaker
44 minutes ago, Zulu 22 said:

It needs compromise which the EU are not offering and if so it is they who could force a No deal situation. They have planning for a No deal situation but would prefer a deal.

It also appears that there are questions arising over the impartiality of the Supreme Court.  https://order-order.com/2019/10/07/baroness-hale-4-times-judge-overtly-political/

Seriously?  You dismiss anything from The Guardian and their ilk for being "Bias", and you post something from Guido Fawkes?!

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Reasonable Man
1 hour ago, Zulu 22 said:

It needs compromise which the EU are not offering and if so it is they who could force a No deal situation. They have planning for a No deal situation but would prefer a deal.

It also appears that there are questions arising over the impartiality of the Supreme Court.  https://order-order.com/2019/10/07/baroness-hale-4-times-judge-overtly-political/

There are certain sources that any self respecting person would not be using to support an argument. Order-Order and Leave UK are near the very top of that list. 

And if the ERG hadn’t scuppered things in their efforts to make more money then May’s deal would have been accepted and we would have left 6 months ago. No need for extensions, Supreme Court decisions, or more uncertainty. 

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7 hours ago, Reasonable Man said:

There are certain sources that any self respecting person would not be using to support an argument. Order-Order and Leave UK are near the very top of that list. 

And if the ERG hadn’t scuppered things in their efforts to make more money then May’s deal would have been accepted and we would have left 6 months ago. No need for extensions, Supreme Court decisions, or more uncertainty. 

Guido Fawkes/order order is utter trash, a cesspit of fake news, lies and propaganda. If people really are basing their views on Brexit by reading Guido Fawkes........😦😦

Leave.EU published a tweet yesterday which was clearly racist, again another outlet that indulges itself in fake news, lies, propaganda and downright racism as shown by the tweet yesterday.

 

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2 hours ago, Fedster said:

Guido Fawkes/order order is utter trash, a cesspit of fake news, lies and propaganda. If people really are basing their views on Brexit by reading Guido Fawkes........😦😦

Leave.EU published a tweet yesterday which was clearly racist, again another outlet that indulges itself in fake news, lies, propaganda and downright racism as shown by the tweet yesterday.

 

Leave EU have taken that particular message down and apologised. Unfortunately it has already been seen by tens of thousands of their racist supporters and this sort of thing just cements those racist views. 

This is the poison that has come from Brexit - no matter which way anyone voted it has given a platform and some perceived legitimacy for hateful views to be expressed in ways they were not before. 

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1 hour ago, Reasonable Man said:

Leave EU have taken that particular message down and apologised. Unfortunately it has already been seen by tens of thousands of their racist supporters and this sort of thing just cements those racist views. 

This is the poison that has come from Brexit - no matter which way anyone voted it has given a platform and some perceived legitimacy for hateful views to be expressed in ways they were not before. 

Agreed and from all sides. Do not rubbish Paul Styles and Guido Fawkes for exposing Politicians and the like. If you read the articles he exposes many flaws in all Political parties because he has access to the Political circles. The facts regarding the Supreme Court and Baroness Hales just happen to be correct. He publishes many articles highlighting many things before they happen, from inside knowledge.

I cannot comment on Leave-UK as I have never visit their site or read any of their articles.

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Brexit: EU leaders criticise UK proposals

  • 9 October 2019
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EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier (r) sat with the President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker (l) Image copyright Reuters
Image caption EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier (r) sat with the President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker (l)

EU leaders have pulled apart the UK's Brexit proposals, accusing Boris Johnson of putting forward untested ideas to solve the Irish border crisis.

Chief negotiator Michel Barnier said the EU needed workable solutions "today not tomorrow".

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told MEPs that while he would "not exclude" a deal in the coming days, progress had been limited.

Mr Johnson has said he remains "cautiously optimistic" about a deal.

He is due to meet his Irish counterpart Leo Varadkar tomorrow to try and break the deadlock, while continuing to insist the UK will leave on 31 October with or without an agreement.

Earlier, it emerged that MPs would be called to Parliament for a special Saturday sitting on 19 October - the day after a crunch EU summit, which is seen as the last chance for the UK and EU to agree a deal ahead of the 31 October deadline.

The UK put forward fresh proposals to the EU for a Brexit deal last week, but they have not so far succeeded in breaking the deadlock.

Updating MEPs on the state of talks, Mr Barnier said he believed "with goodwill" on both sides there could be an agreement in the run-up to the summit.

But he said "to put things very frankly and to try to be objective, we are not really in a position where we are able to find an agreement".

As it stood, he said the UK was proposing replacing an "operable, practical and legal solution" to avoid a hard Irish border with "one that is simply a temporary solution".

Mr Barnier said the UK's proposed alternative to the Irish backstop - which would see customs checks conducted away from the border at business premises or electronically - "had not been tested" and was "largely based" on exemptions for small businesses and technology that "has yet to be developed".

"We need operational real controls, credible controls, we are talking about the credibility of the single market here - its credulity to consumers, to companies, and to third counties that we have agreements with."

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Mr Barnier also questioned the viability of the UK's proposals to give the Northern Ireland Assembly a veto over whether it aligned with EU single market rules for goods from 2021 onwards and whether to diverge from them in the future.

However, he did confirm the two sides were looking at "a more important role" for the Northern Irish political institutions.

Mr Juncker, meanwhile, took a swipe at the UK in the wake of a political row over the details of Tuesday's phone call between Mr Johnson and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Following the call, a No 10 source claimed the German leader had said a deal based on the UK's proposals was "overwhelmingly unlikely" and made new demands which made an agreement "essentially impossible".

"We remain in discussion with the UK," Mr Juncker said. "Personally I don't exclude a deal. I do not accept this blame game that started in London."

Letter row

Former Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt accused Mr Johnson of playing games and treating those seeking to prevent a no-deal Brexit as "traitors, collaborators and surrenderers".

"The reason this is happening is very simple. It is a blame game. A blame game against everybody - against the EU, against Ireland, against Mrs Merkel, against the British judicial system, against Labour, against the Lib Dems, even against Mrs May," he said.

"The only person who is not being blamed is Mr Johnson apparently. All the rest are part of the problem."

The prime minister has said he is determined the UK will leave the EU on 31 October, despite legislation, known as the Benn Act, which requires him to write to Brussels requesting a further delay if a deal is not signed off by Parliament by 19 October - or unless MPs agree to a no-deal Brexit.

Scottish judges said on Wednesday they would not rule on a legal challenge from campaigners seeking to force the PM to send the letter - or to allow an official to send it on his behalf if he refused. They said they would delay the decision until the political debate had "played out".

No 10 has insisted Mr Johnson will comply with the law, but Laura Kuenssberg says there are still conversations going on in Downing Street about writing a second letter, making the case that a delay is unnecessary.

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Fedster

Interesting news from the Scottish Supreme Court where the Judge has ruled that the Nobile Officium will be put on ice until October 19th if Boris fails to send the extension letter he will be in contempt of court and could face criminal sanction, in that scenario the court will send the letter on behalf of the Government instead.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/09/pm-faces-contempt-proceedings-if-he-fails-to-adhere-to-benn-act?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

 

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Beaker
27 minutes ago, Fedster said:

Interesting news from the Scottish Supreme Court where the Judge has ruled that the Nobile Officium will be put on ice until October 19th if Boris fails to send the extension letter he will be in contempt of court and could face criminal sanction, in that scenario the court will send the letter on behalf of the Government instead.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/09/pm-faces-contempt-proceedings-if-he-fails-to-adhere-to-benn-act?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

 

He probably thinks they won't lock him up.

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Brexit news latest: Britain against leaving EU as poll of polls says most now want to stay

Britain has turned against Brexit and would now vote to stay in the European Union, according to the biggest ever poll-of-polls.

One of the most striking findings is that 204 out of 226 polls since July 2017 have shown Remain ahead, with just seven for Leave, and 15 ties.

So far this year, just one poll in the series has put Leave ahead, compared to 74 for staying in the EU. 

 

Full story can be read here in the Evening Standard
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-britain-against-leaving-eu-as-poll-of-polls-says-most-now-want-to-stay-a4257476.html

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Fedster
33 minutes ago, Beaker said:

He probably thinks they won't lock him up.

He is probably right but he will face some sort of criminal sanction if he fails to send the letter considering the fact that the Government promised in court that they would abide by and not try to frustrate the Benn Act.

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Beaker
19 minutes ago, Fedster said:

He is probably right but he will face some sort of criminal sanction if he fails to send the letter considering the fact that the Government promised in court that they would abide by and not try to frustrate the Benn Act.

I'm not sure any more.  I wouldn't be surprised if they summonsed him and he ignored it though.  In that case I feel sorry for the poor bobby that has to take him to court. 

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Zulu 22
3 hours ago, Chief Cheetah said:

Those polls did not seem to be backed up by the results of the EU elections which gave huge support for the Brexit party.

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BlueBob
13 hours ago, Fedster said:

Interesting news from the Scottish Supreme Court where the Judge has ruled that the Nobile Officium will be put on ice until October 19th if Boris fails to send the extension letter he will be in contempt of court and could face criminal sanction, in that scenario the court will send the letter on behalf of the Government instead.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/09/pm-faces-contempt-proceedings-if-he-fails-to-adhere-to-benn-act?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true

 

More barrister money making and tax payer waste for legal fees.  It was faily obvious that the court couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything.  Ther3 is a law in pace, the courts role is to support the law and at this time, BoJo has not failed in following the law.  True waste by the remainder wasters, trying to defy THE vote.  If it wasn’t for the wasted money, it would be a true comedy show

 

 

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