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Cressida Dick

 

Britain's most senior police officer is "sure" cuts to police budgets have had an impact on the increase in violent crime.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick said she is hoping to recruit at least 500 extra officers using a £110 million boost to the force's budget announced by London Mayor Sadiq Khan.

She was speaking on LBC radio after detectives launched a murder probe following the fatal stabbing of a 24-year-old man in east London.

The victim was found injured after police were called to Crows Road in Barking just after 11.30pm on Thursday.

Despite receiving first aid from officers before paramedics arrived, he was pronounced dead at the scene.

The Metropolitan Police have already launched more than 60 murder investigations so far this year.

Ms Dick said she is using the £110 million increase in her budget to fight violent crime and recruit more officers to the force.

"I'm hoping that we will get to well over 30,500 officers - more than 500 more than we currently have by the end of next year," she said.

Asked by a caller if cuts to policing were to blame for the spike in violent crime, Ms Dick said: "We are definitely seeing an increase and I think there's lots of reasons for it.

"There's a connection ... to the drugs markets and what's going on with those, undoubtedly.

"Obviously, some changes in people's financial and economic circumstances that affect all kinds of things which have a direct or indirect effect on young people.

"We are seeing the glamorisation of violence, we are seeing social media being used to taunt other gangs, to bring violence about very quickly.

"There's a whole load of things, but of course I would be naive to say that the reduction in police finances over the last few years, not just in London but beyond, hasn't had an impact.

"I'm sure it's had an impact. It's part of the issue, and that's why I'm very grateful for the new money that we've got, which we are getting on and investing on recruiting new people and I think it will help."

Scotland Yard said no arrests have been made in connection with Thursday's killing and a crime scene remains in place.

The man's next-of-kin have been informed, police said, but he has not been formally identified, with a post-mortem examination still to take place.

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said the killing was "devastating news".

He said: "I am in contact with the Metropolitan Police Commissioner about this appalling crime.

"The Met will do everything they can to bring the criminals responsible for this senseless death to justice.

"There is no honour in staying silent. To stop stabbings and violent crime, we must work together."

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[Pavillion 43]

I find it hard to logically work out how the statement made show that an increase in violent crime are caused by the Policing budget.

[Mac7 808]

I find it hard to logically work out how the statement made show that an increase in violent crime are caused by the Policing budget.

Why?

[SimonT + 1,185]

1 minute ago, Mac7 said:

 

 

Why?

 

 

From what  I have seen of Pavillion on this forum, I can't see how they could think anything else. 

[Beaker 817]

I find it hard to logically work out how the statement made show that an increase in violent crime are caused by the Policing budget.

Logically?

Lower budget = less money = less wages = less staff = lower chance of detection = more chance of getting away with things = more people taking their chances with crimes.

It isn't rocket science.

[Pavillion 43]

4 minutes ago, Beaker said:

Logically?

Lower budget = less money = less wages = less staff = lower chance of detection = more chance of getting away with things = more people taking their chances with crimes.

It isn't rocket science.

It appears it is outside of your grasp to apply logic to the statement made by the Metropolitan Police Commissioner. Just making stuff up (assumptions to those who need clarification) to suit your subjective view does not support an opposing objective stand point.

[Beaker 817]

It appears it is outside of your grasp to apply logic to the statement made by the Metropolitan Police Commissioner. Just making stuff up (assumptions to those who need clarification) to suit your subjective view does not support an opposing objective stand point.

Heh, hardly. Just because you don't understand something don't assume that the other person is stupid.

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PLAY NICELY PLEASE!

[Beaker 817]

Ms May has that view as well. She thinks it's not about numbers, but how they're used.

It's true to a point, but when you're listening to calls for a grade 1, and you know your team is running about a dozen people under strength, half of them are sat doing paperwork because the civvie staff don't exist any more and there is nobody to respond to it that is purely down to lack of officers because there isn't the money in the pot for more staff.

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16 minutes ago, Beaker said:

Ms May has that view as well. She thinks it's not about numbers, but how they're used.

It's true to a point, but when you're listening to calls for a grade 1, and you know your team is running about a dozen people under strength, half of them are sat doing paperwork because the civvie staff don't exist any more and there is nobody to respond to it that is purely down to lack of officers because there isn't the money in the pot for more staff.

The suggestion of not having enough staff to deal with the calls appropriately is not evidence that it is the cause for the calls for service. That is a very circular argument.

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It's a fairly pointless discussion/argument. Some believe that cuts have had consequences but can't prove that to the satisfaction of those with a contrary view.
Equally those who consider that the police should do a better job with the money and resources provided cannot provide any evidence that that is the case.
It's like arguing about whether red is a better colour than blue.

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A number of off topic posts removed, if people want to debate this, do it constructively.

[Mac7 808]

The suggestion of not having enough staff to deal with the calls appropriately is not evidence that it is the cause for the calls for service. That is a very circular argument.

Why can’t you see a logical connection between a rise in violent crime and reduced budgets. How have you reached that conclusion? What is your evidence base.

[Beaker 817]

The suggestion of not having enough staff to deal with the calls appropriately is not evidence that it is the cause for the calls for service. That is a very circular argument.

But when the criminals know the chances of someone turning up to catch or pursue them is lower they know they have a better chance of getting away. Even The Home Office's internal figures link police cuts to higher rates of crime. It isn't one side disagreeing with the other. It is one side arguing a point, and the other side agreeing privately, but their leadership saying the opposite because it doesn't agree with their political position.

I'm reminded of this when I hear them say it isn't their fault ::

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