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I have to admit, I wouldn't have been nicking them for terrorism. Or searching them for terrorism.  But I would have been investigating the property boundary for the MOD, and finding a resol

This really makes me quite mad.   Two person approach an Army base. Not any army base but one where an active infantry regiment are based. They film the entrance, signage, CCTV, guards, guard roo

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Pavilion, you would be more credible if you proofread, and checked your posts before submitting them

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Police failing to grasp realty.
 
 
And how did they fail to grasp reality?

You think they should have just walked away and allowed them to keep on filming the army base.

The males refused all details witch roused suspicion, if they would have provided the officers with name and address the. They could have done the nessasery checks, found out Intel that they were just a couple of idiots who do this all the time...

I take it by your comment you would have dealt with things differently.
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I have to admit, I wouldn't have been nicking them for terrorism.

Or searching them for terrorism. 

But I would have been investigating the property boundary for the MOD, and finding a resolution to get rid of them. Even if it was just by boring them to death, I'm pretty good at that. 

They were being deliberately provocative and attempting to test the security of an Army base. Now they know. The question Is, whilst they weren't preparing for an act or terror - they are helping to test the security for someone who could be.

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This really makes me quite mad.

 

Two person approach an Army base. Not any army base but one where an active infantry regiment are based. They film the entrance, signage, CCTV, guards, guard room etc. The first thing that came into my mind was hostile reconnaissance and that’s exactly how the military viewed it. The threat level from terrorism is severe. The treat level to military and police installations is severe. There were four successful terror plots last year and a further 12 thwarted. This is no joke and I mean that in the strongest sense.

 

They wanted a reaction from police/military and they got one. And for what? Their behaviour is disgraceful and then to have the audacity to lie to the police and army when confronted. Their intentions were clear from the outset.

 

A lot of police resource was wasted on these pair. That’s not the fault of the attending officers because we rarely come across this type of incident. But you can imagine the amount of resource going into this type of incident behind the scenes when it reached the control room. Now doubt other specialist resources were being consulted or put on standby for these pair. Resources that are overstretched and could be used elsewhere. I just hope no one has suffered as a result of this selfish behaviour. A report of hostile reconnaissance at a military base would have sent the balloon up, big time.

 

People such as these really need to consider the bigger picture in all of this. Pranks like this are no joke. I would not be very pleased if my family were involved in an RTC or a child went missing or a vulnerable person was attacked and it meant a delayed response because of people such as this.

 

 

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This really makes me quite mad.
 
Two person approach an Army base. Not any army base but one where an active infantry regiment are based. They film the entrance, signage, CCTV, guards, guard room etc. The first thing that came into my mind was hostile reconnaissance and that’s exactly how the military viewed it. The threat level from terrorism is severe. The treat level to military and police installations is severe. There were four successful terror plots last year and a further 12 thwarted. This is no joke and I mean that in the strongest sense.
 
They wanted a reaction from police/military and they got one. And for what? Their behaviour is disgraceful and then to have the audacity to lie to the police and army when confronted. Their intentions were clear from the outset.
 
A lot of police resource was wasted on these pair. That’s not the fault of the attending officers because we rarely come across this type of incident. But you can imagine the amount of resource going into this type of incident behind the scenes when it reached the control room. Now doubt other specialist resources were being consulted or put on standby for these pair. Resources that are overstretched and could be used elsewhere. I just hope no one has suffered as a result of this selfish behaviour. A report of hostile reconnaissance at a military base would have sent the balloon up, big time.
 
People such as these really need to consider the bigger picture in all of this. Pranks like this are no joke. I would not be very pleased if my family were involved in an RTC or a child went missing or a vulnerable person was attacked and it meant a delayed response because of people such as this.
 
 
I agree with everything you have just said...

Me personally I would be using Section 43 of the Terrorism Act 2000, to search and look at the photos recordings on any equipment they have, even if it's just to frustrate them and stop them from filming for 15 minute or so.

But do these two numptys have a point with regards to the law, if they are army / tank enthusiasts, could they film the barracks from a public place and still be within the law?
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But do these two numptys have a point with regards to the law, if they are army / tank enthusiasts, could they film the barracks from a public place and still be within the law?


To me it’s irrelevant. They used the tank as a poor cover story that was pre planned. If anyone has worked in terrorism or studied terrorism you will know that hostile reconnaissance is the latter stages of the attack planning cycle. Arresting for preparation for acts of terrorism is wholly proportionate in my opinion.

I’m not going to criticise the officers, what the should have done, could have done etc. The focus should be on the selfish individuals who shot this video and probably countless others where valuable resources and public money have been wasted.
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3 hours ago, Mac7 said:

This really makes me quite mad.

 

Two person approach an Army base. Not any army base but one where an active infantry regiment are based. They film the entrance, signage, CCTV, guards, guard room etc. The first thing that came into my mind was hostile reconnaissance and that’s exactly how the military viewed it. The threat level from terrorism is severe. The treat level to military and police installations is severe. There were four successful terror plots last year and a further 12 thwarted. This is no joke and I mean that in the strongest sense.

 

They wanted a reaction from police/military and they got one. And for what? Their behaviour is disgraceful and then to have the audacity to lie to the police and army when confronted. Their intentions were clear from the outset.

 

A lot of police resource was wasted on these pair. That’s not the fault of the attending officers because we rarely come across this type of incident. But you can imagine the amount of resource going into this type of incident behind the scenes when it reached the control room. Now doubt other specialist resources were being consulted or put on standby for these pair. Resources that are overstretched and could be used elsewhere. I just hope no one has suffered as a result of this selfish behaviour. A report of hostile reconnaissance at a military base would have sent the balloon up, big time.

 

People such as these really need to consider the bigger picture in all of this. Pranks like this are no joke. I would not be very pleased if my family were involved in an RTC or a child went missing or a vulnerable person was attacked and it meant a delayed response because of people such as this.

 

 

I think we are being over sensitive to what is a public display of security. 

Of course suspicion could play a part here but it’s clearly not hostile reconnaissance, and even if it was, what does it achieve when you can get the same info on google earth. 

Army personnel could help resolve issues like this quite easily by being a little more appreciable. I have experienced the same in the past and if they want a picture of the tank, escort them in and resolve the issue. I found it stops the agro and doesn’t compromise security. 

There is very little in 99% of MoD establishments that is so secret it needs to be hidden from the public. Let’s not over dramatise what’s at this base. The armed guards are more than capable of dealing with any threat these 2 can offer.  What Infantry Regt is based here?

However, all that said, the power to require their details exists and isn’t appropriate to use in these circumstances. So if you argue with the police, you get what you deserve.

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Pavillion
7 hours ago, Chaos said:

And how did they fail to grasp reality?

The reality is filming objects such as tanks and army bases etc, whilst one is located in a public space, is perfectly legal. Thats the reality of the situation, would you not agree?

 

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

You think they should have just walked away and allowed them to keep on filming the army base.

After a quick investigation, yes.

 

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

The males refused all details witch roused suspicion,

How can a lawful act create suspicion?

 

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

They could have done the nessasery checks, found out Intel that they were just a couple of idiots who do this all the time...

So you have decided that these two gentlemen are idiots, fine, I have decided you are an idiot. How do you like it?

 

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

I take it by your comment you would have dealt with things differently.

I am not a Police Officer, but I would like to think I would have been a little more pragmatic and sensible about the situation. 

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10 hours ago, Pathca said:

Pavilion, you would be more credible if you proofread, and checked your posts before submitting them

Do I need more?

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3 hours ago, Mac7 said:

This really makes me quite mad.

 

Two person approach an Army base. Not any army base but one where an active infantry regiment are based. They film the entrance, signage, CCTV, guards, guard room etc. The first thing that came into my mind was hostile reconnaissance and that’s exactly how the military viewed it. The threat level from terrorism is severe. The treat level to military and police installations is severe. There were four successful terror plots last year and a further 12 thwarted. This is no joke and I mean that in the strongest sense.

 

They wanted a reaction from police/military and they got one. And for what? Their behaviour is disgraceful and then to have the audacity to lie to the police and army when confronted. Their intentions were clear from the outset.

 

A lot of police resource was wasted on these pair. That’s not the fault of the attending officers because we rarely come across this type of incident. But you can imagine the amount of resource going into this type of incident behind the scenes when it reached the control room. Now doubt other specialist resources were being consulted or put on standby for these pair. Resources that are overstretched and could be used elsewhere. I just hope no one has suffered as a result of this selfish behaviour. A report of hostile reconnaissance at a military base would have sent the balloon up, big time.

 

People such as these really need to consider the bigger picture in all of this. Pranks like this are no joke. I would not be very pleased if my family were involved in an RTC or a child went missing or a vulnerable person was attacked and it meant a delayed response because of people such as this.

 

 

I disagree with everything you have stated. 

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2 hours ago, Mac7 said:

Arresting for preparation for acts of terrorism is wholly proportionate in my opinion.

Based on what, filming?

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42 minutes ago, Funkywingnut said:

However, all that said, the power to require their details exists

What power?

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Based on what, filming?



In my opinion it doesn’t warrant further discussion. If you think this is acceptable behaviour then I believe you should seriously reflect on that.
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3 minutes ago, Mac7 said:

In my opinion it doesn’t warrant further discussion. If you think this is acceptable behaviour then I believe you should seriously reflect on that.

 

 

My opinion or yours, on what is acceptable is not a concern, it only matters if the behaviour was lawful. You should reflect on that.

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