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Jeebs

ESP Baton holder

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Jeebs

I have moved forces and now carry an ESP baton, opposed to my trusty old Monadnock.

I can’t get on with the strange, plastic holder supplied with the baton.

Can anybody recommend an alternative? I.e. the good old fashioned Peter Jones holder.

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MerseyLLB

ESP are they the cheap rubbery plastic batons that look like they've been bought from China?

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Beaker
ESP are they the cheap rubbery plastic batons that look like they've been bought from China?
Yep, I bent mine by accident and now it works properly.

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Shmook
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Those are the ones, but they are Eastern European. 

Re holders, there was a short and long version. The short one is rubbish and loses the baton, but apparently the long one is better. 

Maybe have a word with stores? 

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Jeebs

Yeah the ESP is the awful Czech thing with a weird handle.

Emailed Peter Jones and they emailed back saying “I think you mean ASP”.......

They're only suggestion was to try an ASP holder, which I have somewhere anyway so I will try. They said the dimensions should fit.

It has a good bit of weight to it, but I don’t think I’d trust to be honest!

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CountyCop
18 hours ago, Jeebs said:

Yeah the ESP is the awful Czech thing with a weird handle.

Emailed Peter Jones and they emailed back saying “I think you mean ASP”.......

They're only suggestion was to try an ASP holder, which I have somewhere anyway so I will try. They said the dimensions should fit.

It has a good bit of weight to it, but I don’t think I’d trust to be honest!

I was told nationally we have moved away from ASP, the two main providers of our batons are to be ESP and Monadnock. It is highly likely that we will be moving nationally to Monadnock as the sole provider if the Met Procurement process agrees to switch to them, the Met are currently in tender for a 26inch Autolock. 

I do feel sorry for those who are lumbered with a ESP, terrible piece of kit and it just shows how we save money in all the wrong places.

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Jeebs

@CountyCop the Autolock is by far the best baton I have carried.

I was surprised to get an ESP, I expected a banowi Camlock due to Yorkshire purchasing contracts.

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Beaker

As@shmook says there are 2 ESP holders. It seems a bit pot luch which you get. I have the long on, and while it does hold the thing it can hold it too well. You can't just rip it out on demand, you need to loosen it.

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Jeebs

I’ve dug out my old PJ ILG asp holder, doesn’t fit that, sent away for an autolock ILG holder to see if that works.

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CountyCop
22 hours ago, Jeebs said:

@CountyCop the Autolock is by far the best baton I have carried.

I was surprised to get an ESP, I expected a banowi Camlock due to Yorkshire purchasing contracts.

To my knowledge only 3 forces trialled the cam lock, whilst it is a fantastic piece of kit they don't offer a competitive purchasing/servicing package, monadnock do offer a better package nationally, one of the main gripes though is forces having to buy a holder for them if they don't use a tac vest or built in stab best holder. 

The only thing ESP has going for them is that they are very, very cheap and  they include a holder. Their service costs consist of just replacing the stick when it breaks as that is cheaper than fixing it!  Most OST trainers and those of us that sit on uniform and supply committes are fro the auto lock.

Slightly OT apologies mods. 

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Azza

The Peter Jones P174LS is the best holder i have used. Its a polymer body with a leather retention strap. fits most 21" batons from what I understand :)

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Eddzz!!
On 14/05/2018 at 04:34, Azza said:

The Peter Jones P174LS is the best holder i have used. Its a polymer body with a leather retention strap. fits most 21" batons from what I understand :)

The ESPs texturised rubber handle prevents it from fitting in the plastic Peter Jones holders. The only two options available are the stock ESP holders or a leather holder stretched to fit the dimensions of the baton.

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