Fedster + 1,307 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 PCC says move will help avoid cuts to the posts. Pictured (l-r) Daventry District PCSO Paul Harris, Daventry District Sponsored PCSO Mia Ball, Mayor of Daventry Lynne Taylor, PCC Stephen Mold, Daventry District PCSO Kirsten Bates, Deputy Chief Constable Rachel Swann and Daventry District Sergeant Sam Dobbs A PCC is promoting a scheme for councils and businesses to pay for their own dedicated PCSOs as a way to beat budget cuts. Daventry Town Council in Northamptonshire has become the first to buy its own support officer as part of the initiative which sees personnel dedicated to the area which covers its costs. A statement from Northants PCC Stephen Mold said: “While a number of organisations have in the past provided sponsorship for PCSOs, this scheme is different in that it guarantees the services of a sponsored officer within the geographic area of the sponsoring agency, rather than integration into a wider neighbourhood policing team.” The PCSOs will only be pulled away from their dedicated area in the event of them needing to assist at a major incident. Northamptonshire Police pays for the training, uniform and equipment of the support officers, while the business or council pays £37,000 a year to cover other costs including their salary. In 2014 previous PCC Adam Simmonds and then chief constable Adrian Lee promised parish councils in the force area dedicated special constables, but this never materialised and was officially scrapped by Stephen Mold when he took office. Mr Mold said: “I’m proud that my office has developed this innovative scheme to help empower local communities to increase policing resources. "At a time when other counties in England and Wales have decided to reduce the use of PCSOs due to budget challenges, in Northamptonshire we have presented an alternative model that allows communities to contribute towards enhanced policing. “I have been delighted by the response to this scheme from partners which will allow us to put more police on the street of the county, and I know that given the valuable work that PCSOs do, this will undoubtedly lead to a safer Northamptonshire.” In 2015 when a village in Hampshire tried to fund its own local PC’s salary one former officer said: "The principle that if you live in a wealthy area and can pay you get a superior level of policing while other people see cuts is absolutely anathema to me.” Later that year businesses in Liverpool city centre began paying for two dedicated PCs to patrol the area. At least half the mounted units in the UK have turned to sponsorship in a bid to avoid cuts, Police Oracle revealed last month. View On Police Oracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyphen + 693 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Why would a business pay for a PCSO? I don’t mean any offence to PCSO’s by the question but what real benefit would it bring to a business? I don’t really like these schemes either, it becomes too rigid and political. I also think it’s a little unhealthy when businesses are paying for personnel. It’s hard to be impartial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboyblue + 18 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 You will get some crime partnership schemes jumping at this - its an easy way to have 'someone' in the police who is dedicated to them / the shops. access to pnc, a radio to call for help, and intel gathering. They seem to favour this rather than csas schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaker 817 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Why would a business pay for a PCSO? I don’t mean any offence to PCSO’s by the question but what real benefit would it bring to a business? Shared between a number of local businesses you're likely to cut your business insurance. Both by classifying it as a dedicated police presence, and with the hopefully lower crime rates reducing it further. Though I know the local kids here who cause local nuisance are fully aware that the PCSOs don't have any real powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyphen + 693 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Beaker said: Shared between a number of local businesses you're likely to cut your business insurance. Both by classifying it as a dedicated police presence, and with the hopefully lower crime rates reducing it further. Though I know the local kids here who cause local nuisance are fully aware that the PCSOs don't have any real powers. To be fair that’s a good point, I hadn’t thought of that side of things. Thats more what I was getting at, thieves, shoplifters and just the usual ASB types all know that CSO’s can’t really do anything about it. Intel gathering and partnership work definitely but as a business owner is that really that important to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radman + 2,163 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Gotta love these "rent a PCSO scheme" that gets rolled out somewhere every few months. All for the discount price of £37,000 a year! Bar cutting down on insurance premiums what actual capability will this PCSO actually have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu 22 + 4,571 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Why is this necessary at all. What are the voters, constituents and businesses paying their Council Tax and other taxes for. If anything it is an acknowledgement that we are failing in providing a service already paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor James 9 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Zulu 22 said: Why is this necessary at all. What are the voters, constituents and businesses paying their Council Tax and other taxes for. If anything it is an acknowledgement that we are failing in providing a service already paid for. That’s exactly why they are needed I would suggest the fact is the police are failing to provide a sevice already paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu 22 + 4,571 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Conor James said: That’s exactly why they are needed I would suggest the fact is the police are failing to provide a sevice already paid for. Because it is under funded from Central Government. The amount quoted would fund a warranted officer with all the powers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor James 9 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Zulu 22 said: Because it is under funded from Central Government. The amount quoted would fund a warranted officer with all the powers I don’t think it’s under funded i honestly think the police budget is fit for purpose. i think people need to stop fixating on the budget and start adapting to doing more with less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu 22 + 4,571 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Conor James said: I don’t think it’s under funded i honestly think the police budget is fit for purpose. i think people need to stop fixating on the budget and start adapting to doing more with less. I bow to your complete lack of understanding, it us out of this world. Edited April 7, 2018 by Zulu 22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana Jones + 1,082 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Conor James said: I don’t think it’s under funded i honestly think the police budget is fit for purpose. Based on what objective evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyphen + 693 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Conor James said: I don’t think it’s under funded i honestly think the police budget is fit for purpose. i think people need to stop fixating on the budget and start adapting to doing more with less. Conor all you’ve done there is recycle sound bites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedster + 1,307 Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 Conor is now banned from this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOP + 21 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 On 07/04/2018 at 12:11, Radman said: Gotta love these "rent a PCSO scheme" that gets rolled out somewhere every few months. All for the discount price of £37,000 a year! Bar cutting down on insurance premiums what actual capability will this PCSO actually have? Every thread about PCSOs you just start bashing them. I hope you don't work with any PCSOs for their own sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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