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Fedster

Government to pay body: Only listen to chiefs and PCCs

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Home Office says police pensions are so good wage growth can be discounted.

Government to pay body: Only listen to chiefs and PCCs

The Home Office has asked the review body to only consider proposals from chief constables and PCCs when deciding next year's police pay increase.

In its submission to the remuneration committee, the department calls on it to "consider proposals from NPCC and the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners on the level of basic pay".

Both organisations have called for a below-inflation two per cent pay rise for all ranks.

Meanwhile, the arguments put forward by the Police Federation and Superintendents' Association in a joint submission for a 3.4 per cent rise to keep up with inflation are ignored.

Staff associations are only mentioned in the document in relation to working groups set up by the department on data collection, and in relation to recruitment of chief constables.

In an appendix, the Home Office says public sector wages account for a quarter of all government expenditure and urges the review body to consider pensions as a perk of the job.

It says: "Following the last recession, public sector wages did not undergo the sharp fall seen in the private sector, and have since grown at a slower pace than private sector wages: for the three months to October 2017 private sector total pay grew by 2.7 per cent on the same period the previous year, compared to 1.8 per cent in the public sector (excluding financial services).

"However, the overall remuneration of public sector employees when taking employer pension contributions into account remains at a significant premium.

"When considering changes to remuneration, [remuneration review bodies] should take account of the total reward package.

"Public service pension schemes continue to be amongst the best available and significantly above the average value of pension provision in the private sector."

Elsewhere, the Met Police has asked for a two per cent wage rise, the continuation of the one per cent non-consolidated bonus, a two per cent increase on London weighting, as well as further flexibility to boost London weighting by up to 33 per cent in order to improve officer retention in the capital.

The NPCC has argued against this, stating it has "the potential to destabilise the police market between MPS and surrounding forces".

Chiefs are also still proposing extra bonuses for hard-to-fill roles like detectives.

Dan Murphy from the Police Superintendents' Association of England and Wales said: “The police service has fewer employment rights than other professions which means that the mechanisms for consulting and engaging with its people must work effectively.

“This is critical."

He added: “It is important that the service can have confidence in the pay review process and in the organisations and individuals involved in it. 

"We want to see outcomes that are fair, affordable and practical, and will work with all partners to try and achieve this.”

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SD

So if the Fed are no longer able to represent me, can I have my right to strike returned please.p

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David

Given that 'my' PCC is a Tory and has just caused some controversy by wanting to increase the money spent on his own department whilst telling the county officer numbers would have to be cut, I can see why the Government would be going this way.

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Mac7

Shock horror the government go with the lower figure. The salary did not attract me policing but it really frustrates me how the government play politics with the police.

I would come out of the FED tomorrow if it was not for that “what if” scenario. They are a joke.

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MerseyLLB

I don't know why I even ask but can they do this?

Does this not abrogate 'the agreement?

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Zulu 22
16 hours ago, SD said:

So if the Fed are no longer able to represent me, can I have my right to strike returned please.p

You never have had the right to strike for over 100 years. I am sure that you knew this when you joined. However on the topic it is nice to see which bodies are prepared to stab you in the back. And yes Mersey I believe that it does breach the agreement. Pay and conditions are nothing to do with the |PCC's except to abide by them.

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SD
7 hours ago, Zulu 22 said:

You never have had the right to strike for over 100 years. I am sure that you knew this when you joined. However on the topic it is nice to see which bodies are prepared to stab you in the back. And yes Mersey I believe that it does breach the agreement. Pay and conditions are nothing to do with the |PCC's except to abide by them.

Yep, but I also had a set pension I no longer have and a federation who can no longer speak on behalf. So a lot changed which is why I would like the right to strike. 

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Zulu 22
54 minutes ago, SD said:

Yep, but I also had a set pension I no longer have and a federation who can no longer speak on behalf. So a lot changed which is why I would like the right to strike. 

Face reality, you are not going to get it.

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SD
44 minutes ago, Zulu 22 said:

Face reality, you are not going to get it.

Sure someone said that about the female vote. 

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