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School staff had to break up the incident.

A Met police schools officer has kept his job despite kneeing a schoolboy in the stomach.

Staff at a the London Nautical School in Blackfriars had to break up a “scuffle” between PC Kehinde Meshe and a 14-year-old boy while the officer was on duty, a misconduct hearing was told this week.

PC Meshe, based within the Transformation Directorate, was accused of using unnecessary, disproportionate and unreasonable force against a student on April 29, 2015.

The panel heard that Safer Schools officer PC Meshe grabbed hold of the pupil’s arm when he refused to stop taking part in a playground game the constable considered to be “reckless and disruptive.”

An “altercation” followed, the panel were told, in which PC Meshe pushed the boy against a wall and kneed him in the stomach. The pupil hit PC Meshe in the face who punched him back.

The panel decided PC Meshe had acted “without self-control” and that his use of force was “wrong”.

But it accepted his previous good character and that this was an isolated lapse of judgement. 

Although the panel found gross misconduct proven and PC Meshe avoided dismissal and was handed a final written warning.

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I wonder.

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I’ve done a little bit of googling to try and actually find some information on the case. I see he was cleared of assault in court.

Im always suspicious when articles are vague and a story is painted by the journalists.

What was this ‘game’ that the ‘child’ was playing that was described as reckless and disruptive. I can’t see a police officer taking hold of a pupil for having a friendly game of tiddlywinks.

It states there was an altercation, what was the nature of this. Clearly it has been enough for the officer to have to push this individual against the wall, he has then be punched by the lad. 

As for the comments about having to be split up by staff I find this preposterous.

It all just seems a little bit strange. There isn’t a lot of information and I’m not blindly defending the officer. I don’t know if others agree but this just leaves far more questions than answers.

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I don't know anything specific, but I know several schools officers who have had complaints made against them by head teachers for using perfectly lawful force.

Considering the only people who will have witnessed this are school staff, I wouldn't be surprised if it has been highly sensationalised because somebody dared to take hold of a pupil.

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26 minutes ago, Growley said:

I don't know anything specific, but I know several schools officers who have had complaints made against them by head teachers for using perfectly lawful force.

Considering the only people who will have witnessed this are school staff, I wouldn't be surprised if it has been highly sensationalised because somebody dared to take hold of a pupil.

And yet if these officers were in the classroom picking apart the teaching methods of the staff, there would be uproar and mention of cops having no idea how to do teachers jobs... 

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Transformation Directorate,???   It could be asked, is this anything to do with Policing.  I'm not all that old fashioned but why are we doing such posts. We are not teachers, we are not social workers, we are Police Officers.

I would agree that there appears to be half of a one sided story here.

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Pupils should but not be criminalised for their behaviour on school premises unless it is way off the scale. Sovereignty should remain with teachers, whom are acting in loco parentis

 

Whatever the detail of the case, a police officer should not be getting involved in dealing with games that they consider ‘grossly reckless’.

 

I remember in a previous life visiting a school that had a particular initiative that they were show casing back in 2003 and the head mistress recited a recent incident where a newly appointed schools liaison officer caught a couple of pupils fighting and arrested one of them. She marched down the police station and demanded his release so that she could deal with him. The PC became a person non grata after that, as he thought it was acceptable to criminalise children without the school being allowed to go through their own disciplinary motions.

 

We all do silly things in our youth, but schools are semi-private places where the first course of resort is allowing teachers to do their jobs.

 

There has also been a backlash in New York where NYPD School Safety Agents have been arresting school children for behaviours that should be dealt with through an educational disciplinary process.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Zulu 22 said:

Transformation Directorate,???   It could be asked, is this anything to do with Policing.  I'm not all that old fashioned but why are we doing such posts. We are not teachers, we are not social workers, we are Police Officers.

I would agree that there appears to be half of a one sided story here.

The Transformation Direction will be where the office is now - i.e. off the street in an office job. It's the Met Change programme. You know, they are rolling out new IT systems, mobile tablets, new C&C software, all of that sort of organisational change stuff all under one division. It's blooming huge.

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He should never have been placed in the position he was. Perhaps we might just have better things to do.

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5 hours ago, Zulu 22 said:

Transformation Directorate,???   It could be asked, is this anything to do with Policing.  I'm not all that old fashioned but why are we doing such posts. We are not teachers, we are not social workers, we are Police Officers.

I would agree that there appears to be half of a one sided story here.

I wonder why frontline policing is inadequate, ah Transformation Directorate would explain a lot.

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Pupils should but not be criminalised for their behaviour on school premises unless it is way off the scale. Sovereignty should remain with teachers, whom are acting in loco parentis
 
Whatever the detail of the case, a police officer should not be getting involved in dealing with games that they consider ‘grossly reckless’.
 
I remember in a previous life visiting a school that had a particular initiative that they were show casing back in 2003 and the head mistress recited a recent incident where a newly appointed schools liaison officer caught a couple of pupils fighting and arrested one of them. She marched down the police station and demanded his release so that she could deal with him. The PC became a person non grata after that, as he thought it was acceptable to criminalise children without the school being allowed to go through their own disciplinary motions.
 
We all do silly things in our youth, but schools are semi-private places where the first course of resort is allowing teachers to do their jobs.
 
There has also been a backlash in New York where NYPD School Safety Agents have been arresting school children for behaviours that should be dealt with through an educational disciplinary process.
 
 

It's nowhere near as simple as you're making out. Schools are often, I'd go as far to say 'usually', found to be entirely inadequate with their way of 'dealing' with things.

There is absolutely a case for keeping kids out of the criminal justice system, but we also need to recognise when alternative measures aren't working and start introducing these children to court rooms.

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and let's not forget that if the officer were to do nothing then they'd be strung  up for that too.

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6 hours ago, Growley said:

It's nowhere near as simple as you're making out. Schools are often, I'd go as far to say 'usually', found to be entirely inadequate with their way of 'dealing' with things.

Can you show some significant empirical evidence for the above statement? It appears its just an uninformed opinion and adds nothing tom the topic at hand.

 

6 hours ago, Growley said:

There is absolutely a case for keeping kids out of the criminal justice system, but we also need to recognise when alternative measures aren't working and start introducing these children to court rooms.

The topic has no bearing on this statement, nobody has suggested anything to the contrary.

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2 hours ago, Indiana Jones said:

and let's not forget that if the officer were to do nothing then they'd be strung  up for that too.

Another poor officer statement, he did something and it was found to be wrong!

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The topic has no bearing on this statement, nobody has suggested anything to the contrary.

The poster I quoted specifically said that schools should be dealing with things happening on site and that officers shouldn't. So yes, my inference was that somebody has suggested something to the contrary.