Fedster + 1,307 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Kent PCC Matthew Scott pictured at the Police Federation Conference earlier this year A PCC is planning to introduce a public panel to scrutinise body worn video footage. Kent's Matthew Scott said he wants to make the force’s ride along scheme more accessible to the public and widen its scope. During a Kent and Medway Police and Crime panel he said he provided three options in a public consultation about the force's ride along scheme - including making it “more available to the general public using body worn video as a means of assessing”. The current ride along scheme might or might not be sufficient.” Documents from his office state: “The PCC currently operates a ride along scheme involving a small group of volunteers observing police patrols and reporting back. “However, as part of the current Police and Crime Plan consultation the PCC is seeking feedback on whether the scheme should be opened up to the wider public (appropriately security checked).” It says he is "exploring" an option to establish a public panel to scrutinise body worn video footage. Kent Police Federation chairman Chris Carter said: “This is a concept I am initially comfortable with, albeit subject to seeing the full details. “We already do something similar with footage shown around stop and search to members of the independent police advisory group and the Fed are also invited to this. I assume this would work in the same way.” View On Police Oracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyphen + 693 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 To be honest I am an advocate of far more body worn video being released to the public anyway. I think we are far behind in this respect. The public should see the way people behave with cops and how cops deal with and react to these situations, 99.9% professionally and restrained. On the flip side, particularly to untrained people who have never been exposed to conflict, BWV on its own isn’t always useful as it doesn’t always show the full picture, what’s happening around the cop, impact factors, warning signs, the full environment etc etc. I think on face value though it isn’t a bad idea, what ultimately does concern me is the motivation behind it and what the real end game is? I know, I know I am being cynical but I can’t help but think somewhere along the line there will be a hidden agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos + 151 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Bad idea... How many time have you looked at your own BWV after the event and cringed thinking... "Oh why did I say that" or "why didn't I do that then"...It's far easyer for the would have, should have, could have group to scrutinise an incident from their arm chair after the event...I would prefer that they were in the thick of it and report back from the real thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrateShrike + 1,846 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) Although I personally don't have any real concerns about such an idea, it's the equivalent of watching an episode of Great British Bake Off and then telling Mary Berry how to make a cake. Edited November 24, 2017 by Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorDisaster + 579 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, chaos4122 said: Bad idea... How many time have you looked at your own BWV after the event and cringed thinking... "Oh why did I say that" or "why didn't I do that then"... It's far easyer for the would have, should have, could have group to scrutinise an incident from their arm chair after the event...I would prefer that they were in the thick of it and report back from the real thing. I was playing the footage of a rather epic fight I'd had which involved PAVA and going through a garden fence when one of the lads started laughing - on upping the volume I could clearly be heard to mutter (as I finally got him to ground and the cuffs on) 'Too old for this s**t'. It also allowed me to determine that despite it seeming a lot longer, it was actuallly only three minutes between me shouting up for assistance and the arrival of the cavalry! Personally I think it's great and a real bonus. Edited November 24, 2017 by MajorDisaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac7 808 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 My initial thought - why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsidian_eclipse + 1,202 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 My initial thought - why? Because there's already not enough people chipping in with their hindsight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos + 151 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I was playing the footage of a rather epic fight I'd had which involved PAVA and going through a garden fence when one of the lads started laughing - on upping the volume I could clearly be heard to mutter (as I finally got him to ground and the cuffs on) 'Too old for this s**t'. It also allowed me to determine that despite it seeming a lot longer, it was actuallly only three minutes between me shouting up for assistance and the arrival of the cavalry! Personally I think it's great and a real bonus. Yup... I love my BWV, when it's used correctly... I just don't like the idea of other people with no policing knolage watching it and pulling it apart frame by frame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavillion 43 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 11 hours ago, chaos4122 said: ... I just don't like the idea of other people with no policing knolage watching it and pulling it apart frame by frame... Ecological fallacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Man + 1,231 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Yup... I love my BWV, when it's used correctly... I just don't like the idea of other people with no policing knolage watching it and pulling it apart frame by frame... Like jury members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos + 151 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Like jury members? That would be different... If you get called to court and your BWV is used in evidence then you would expect to be questioned on it...I'm talking about dip sampling every day policing videos and have a "trial by media" way of pulling it apart...I could easily get any of my videos, put one on, and ask someone to analyse it and I'm sure they would find things I did well, things I didn't do so well and other things I could of done much better.. and I'm sure that would go for everyone here...It's like the argument about reasonable force, in a heated aggrivated situation reasonable force may go out of the window, bit someone watching it back would be able to pull you apart.I would prefer to have someone ride along to get the real story than one from a TV monitor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerseyLLB 8,426 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I think I'd probably like the Fed chair to speak to the officers who pay their allowances before rubber stamping such ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu 22 + 4,571 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Ride along scheme! I would not allow anyone, other than sworn officers, to ride along with me. I am fully prepared to be held to account by a Court or Professional standards and not anyone else. We/You already have enough to do and worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obsidian_eclipse + 1,202 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I don't mind someone coming along on ride along scheme for a few hours, I would expect they are properly briefed in how to behave and it could be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy + 74 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Wouldn't mind applicants going through Special's application for a ride along. Allows them to have an insight on what the role is before they fully take the plunge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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