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Pavillion

Seen this video on social media 

 

I may be wrong, but that is not the best way to arrive at a call for service.

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So what's 'reasonable'? What he did amounts to inconsiderate/dangerous driving. But for the grace of God the car didn't hit anyone or anything but if it did would that mean the outcome should be any

It really isn't intentional. You can see the counter steer being attempted but it didn't work and ends up going into the slide. With respect if you can't see how it happened then you probabl

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22 minutes ago, Pavillion said:

Seen this video on social media 

 

I may be wrong, but that is not the best way to arrive at a call for service.

Agree, no roll over the bonnet. Pftt...

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Either mega driving or mega stupid. I am not traffic orientated so can't really decide which it is.

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I'm  failing to see how that is appropriate for a supposedly trained police driver. I know what I'd do with the police driver and the only rubber they'd be wearing out for the foreseeable future would be the soles of their boots.

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All joking aside, if someone else failed to drive to the conditions to such an extent, they'd probably be looking at being stuck on for it.

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19 minutes ago, Indiana Jones said:

All joking aside, if someone else failed to drive to the conditions to such an extent, they'd probably be looking at being stuck on for it.

How do you think it will be dealt with when and if the supervisory staff see the video?

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Absolutely no way was that intentional. Surely? 

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"TFF" as we say. Looks like he lost the back end under breaking. Very jealous as it does look cool. He's very lucky though.

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I'm  failing to see how that is appropriate for a supposedly trained police driver. I know what I'd do with the police driver and the only rubber they'd be wearing out for the foreseeable future would be the soles of their boots.


Seriously?! We all make errors, he was rushing to help his colleagues, the roads were wet and the back went out, it wasn't intentional or deliberate. No one was hurt and no obvious damage to vehicle from the video. If I was a supervisor I would be accepting how much strain people under me are all under and rather dent morale any further I would let it pass. I certainly wouldn't make people go out and walk, that's just ridiculous.
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Kent Police said that the skid was accidental, and highlighted that nobody was hurt in the incident. 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/police-car-makes-dramatic-entry-street-disturbance-gillingham/

What do they mean by 'accidental'. Surely the point is that it was completely avoidable if the driver had not been driving too fast for the conditions and/or his ability.
As a link to another current thread on this site - I wonder what the view would be if this had been dash cam footage of a car without blue lights and fluorescent stickers?
And before anyone thinks I am being harsh to the driver I performed a similar manoeuvre in a Mk2 Ford Escort while on my way to a shout, the difference being I hit a wall with the side of my panda. I got stuck on for it.
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What do they mean by 'accidental'. Surely the point is that it was completely avoidable if the driver had not been driving too fast for the conditions and/or his ability.
As a link to another current thread on this site - I wonder what the view would be if this had been dash cam footage of a car without blue lights and fluorescent stickers?
And before anyone thinks I am being harsh to the driver I performed a similar manoeuvre in a Mk2 Ford Escort while on my way to a shout, the difference being I hit a wall with the side of my panda. I got stuck on for it.


So you've been in a similar situation? I think you should take some advice from your forum name and be 'reasonable' with what happened here. As I said above, we all make mistakes/red mist, he went to help colleagues. It is an accident because he clearly didn't mean for the car to lose control like that. I really can't see how it has happened though as he was travelling in a straight line normally it just locks up and slides straight from my experience.
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So what's 'reasonable'?
What he did amounts to inconsiderate/dangerous driving. But for the grace of God the car didn't hit anyone or anything but if it did would that mean the outcome should be any different?
Or should he have a pat on the back for racing to a colleagues aid while being reckless to anyone else?
I learned a salutary lesson - it is better to arrive 30 seconds late than not at all.

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It really isn't intentional.

You can see the counter steer being attempted but it didn't work and ends up going into the slide.

With respect if you can't see how it happened then you probably shouldn't judge.

It's a downhill slope, granted not huge, and a very slight bend. At my best guess I would suggest the bend and slight deviation from dead centre on wet road surface led to a skid upon harsh braking.  I base that on doing something similar in far lower speeds but on ice. I too was saved by a kerb. It wasn't just me as a matter of seconds after I'd cleared the poo from my pants and manouvered off another car did the same thing.

As for 'if the driver had of done xyz' this is stating the bleeding obvious. Hindsight is great. The question we have to ask is, in the absence of outright mechanical failure not linked to lack of maintenance, every loss of control or collision is avoidable. Does that mean every driver must face strict sanctions for every mistake they ever make? We can apply the competent driver test as the law currently stands and you will find this was probably a section 3...but therein lies the issue raised by the Fed about the law as it stands...

Joe public in his Skoda has no business driving in excess of posted limits, lights and sirens blazing, radio chatter buzzing in their ear, to often changing destinations...the humble PC has to try and juggle that whilst doing his best to drive within the confines of the same basic standards of driving expected of Mrs Miggins.

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