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London police given 1,000 acid response kits after surge in attacks

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SD

Well that's a load of lies. F&R won't turn out till the scene is confirmed safe and by that time medics will be there. 

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NCFPA

Acid response kits? When I checked this morning it was a bottle of Tesco 5 litre water with a form on the front written by a acting chief inspector telling cops what to do with it....

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Cathedral Bobby
1 minute ago, NCFPA said:

Acid response kits? When I checked this morning it was a bottle of Tesco 5 litre water with a form on the front written by a acting chief inspector telling cops what to do with it....

Laughable, are they serious!

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Rocket

You can just imagine the headlines "Police water boarded man with 5 litres of water until he drowned, IPCC are investigating"

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Mac7
Acid response kits? When I checked this morning it was a bottle of Tesco 5 litre water with a form on the front written by a acting chief inspector telling cops what to do with it....



Which will appear on his/her promotion forms.

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obsidian_eclipse

Some of the issues regarding 'acid response' would be the caustic agents might not be acidic but alkali, unless they include litmus testing kits the ideal method of treatment would be a ph neutral solution - such as water.

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HazRat
1 hour ago, NCFPA said:

Acid response kits? When I checked this morning it was a bottle of Tesco 5 litre water with a form on the front written by a acting chief inspector telling cops what to do with it....

Indeed. 5 litres isn't enough IMHO. Fortunately we've got some 25L containers. It's funny because we'd already worked out what to do and kitted our vehicles before that Email.

10 minutes ago, obsidian_eclipse said:

Some of the issues regarding 'acid response' would be the caustic agents might not be acidic but alkali, unless they include litmus testing kits the ideal method of treatment would be a ph neutral solution - such as water.

We're only flushing with water / removing clothing that hasn't stuck to flesh. Someone else with more chemical training will need to work out any neutralisation fluids.

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Cathedral Bobby

1st year chemistry always comes in handy. Good to see the Met has got the UKs best scientist looking into the problem.

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Ether

Have acid attacks always been an issue in London or is it actually on the rise?  

Up until recently you only ever heard of the odd one or two a year, now it's every day. 

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Reasonable Man
Have acid attacks always been an issue in London or is it actually on the rise?  
Up until recently you only ever heard of the odd one or two a year, now it's every day. 

We will probably never know. The biggest influence is the media - if they choose to put a story about the police helping to find a missing child on the front page of their papers every day for the rest of the summer the perception will be that acid attacks have stopped but we have a massive increase of children going missing (and the police do a good job - one can hope).
It happened before e.g. - in the 80s there was a reported massive increase in muggings, more than ever before. The reason - someone had just coined the phrase 'mugging' to mean a robbery in the street and as it was a new term the papers decided to run regular stories = a perception that it was an increasing problem and the self fulfilling prophecy of copy cat activities.

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NCFPA
We're only flushing with water / removing clothing that hasn't stuck to flesh. Someone else with more chemical training will need to work out any neutralisation fluids.


Agreed, but until LFB send 100 pumps with water it's a good start.

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Radman

Where are the protest groups out cry at these attacks?

Or the numerous stabbings taking place in London on an almost daily basis?

Where is the outcry?

The police aren't the enemy of the people as many groups are trying to paint.

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ParochialYokal

I read an interesting article that looked at the issue of acid attacks and it made a lot of sense.

 

Criminals innovate. It is easy to steal a moped and to use it as a key enabler of acquisitive crime. They are fast moving, those riding them can legitimately cover their faces and, most importantly, police cannot easily pursue.

 

Acid has emerged as a weapon of choice as a result of the harsher penalties for knife possession. In addition, there is no specific offence of possession of a noxious substances other than coverage by generic off-weap laws.

 

Putting that complexity to one side, how can it be solved(?)- by pursuing the insurance industry. Eye watering surcharges should be levied against mopeds that are easily stolen to the extent that it is not financially viable to own one. Once that happens, such crimes won't be perpetrated.

 

It happened in the 1980s when it was easy to nick Ford Cortinas. The car industry had to develop better security mechanisms in order to satisfy consumer demand. They didn't give a stuff before that, like the moped manufacturers don't now.

 

In addition, a specific offence of possessing a noxious substance should be introduced. Yes- people should be allowed to possess sealed Mr Muscle Drain Cleaner in public with reasonable excuse (i.e. Walking back from the supermarket at 3pm but not wandering through the same town centre waving it about at 3am. But people shouldn't be able to distill that into smaller bottles, unless they have a 'reasonable excuse' (the onus of which is on them to prove).

 

 

 

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PoliceDoge
33 minutes ago, ParochialYokal said:

In addition, a specific offence of possessing a noxious substance should be introduced. Yes- people should be allowed to possess sealed Mr Muscle Drain Cleaner in public with reasonable excuse (i.e. Walking back from the supermarket at 3pm but not wandering through the same town centre waving it about at 3am. But people shouldn't be able to distill that into smaller bottles, unless they have a 'reasonable excuse' (the onus of which is on them to prove).

Is that not already covered under section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968?

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A person commits an offence if, without authority, he has in his possession ...  any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing.

 

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