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Guardian: The Guardian view on public sector pay: time for a rise

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Cathedral Bobby

Recent heroes:- doctors, nurses, fire fighters and police officers. The Maybot and her cabinet are more than happy to offer their thanks and praises, but when it comes to paying these public servants a living wage they fall silent. Goodwill doesn't pay the bills.

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Sherlock
Recent heroes:- doctors, nurses, fire fighters and police officers. The Maybot and her cabinet are more than happy to offer their thanks and praises, but when it comes to paying these public servants a living wage they fall silent. Goodwill doesn't pay the bills.


Doctors are paid rather well. I agree with the nurses part however. The disparity between the two is too vast.

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ParochialYokal

Doctors are not necessarily over imbursed.

 

Whilst a hospital Consultant earns between £75k - £100k and gets a 'bonus' (an award for clinical excellence) of up to £75k (many would not get the top of the 'bonus' scale but would get something close to half or a third of that), it takes a very long time to get to that point and a lot of study and debt.

 

An average nurse would be a Band 5 or Band 6, with pay scales ranging from £22k - £35k (plus London weighting, where applicable). Those that then specialise can earn more and a 'Nurse Consultant' can earn up to £70k, which is not too far away from the starting pay band of a hospital Consultant.

 

I am not saying that nurses are the start of their careers shouldn't earn more, but I am also not saying that Doctors should earn less.

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Jedi Knight

I read somewhere that across the NHS at least,  a1% pay rise equates to £500 million. So to get a decent pay rise is going to cost a couple of billion across the board. 

In order to pay for that taxes will have to up somewhere so in effect we'll be paying for our own pay rises. 

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Growley
4 hours ago, Jedi Knight said:

I read somewhere that across the NHS at least,  a1% pay rise equates to £500 million. So to get a decent pay rise is going to cost a couple of billion across the board. 

In order to pay for that taxes will have to up somewhere so in effect we'll be paying for our own pay rises. 

In a sense, but you'd be getting more than you paid so it's still a net benefit.

I joined the job knowing I was never going to be particularly well off, but a pay packet which at least rises with inflation would be nice.

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HazRat
8 minutes ago, Growley said:

I joined the job knowing I was never going to be particularly well off, but a pay packet which at least rises with inflation would be nice.

Likewise. I'm worse off now as I lost CRTP. There's also a general lack of O/T, or there was until recent events. I'm quite selective on putting in for O/T now especially weekend aid serials. I have a preference for being at home at weekends just so my kids know what I look like!

We're getting 1% for a few more years so it's a case of like it or leave.

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JulietAlpha1
1 hour ago, HazRat said:

Likewise. I'm worse off now as I lost CRTP. There's also a general lack of O/T, or there was until recent events. I'm quite selective on putting in for O/T now especially weekend aid serials. I have a preference for being at home at weekends just so my kids know what I look like!

We're getting 1% for a few more years so it's a case of like it or leave.

Not to sound all doom and gloom, but when will it end?

After a few more years they can say, 'Well they've been doing perfectly fine with 1% pay rises over the last few years, we see no need to increase them now. There's been little to no comeback over it because they haven't got any rights whatsoever.' 

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HazRat
25 minutes ago, JulietAlpha1 said:

Not to sound all doom and gloom, but when will it end?

After a few more years they can say, 'Well they've been doing perfectly fine with 1% pay rises over the last few years, we see no need to increase them now. There's been little to no comeback over it because they haven't got any rights whatsoever.' 

I'd love it to end soon. Promotion is challenging  to say the least and some CC is looking to review pay which may see PC's paid more than sergeants. I'm loyal to the job as it's invested considerable time and money training me, but I'm looking to get out at some point.

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Cathedral Bobby

In real terms the average public servant is 15% poorer than they were in 2009. Now with inflation at 3% and a paltry 1% pay rise you can expect to be a further 2% poorer after this year.

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HazRat
48 minutes ago, Cathedral Bobby said:

In real terms the average public servant is 15% poorer than they were in 2009. Now with inflation at 3% and a paltry 1% pay rise you can expect to be a further 2% poorer after this year.

Looking forward to it. 

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Cathedral Bobby
3 minutes ago, HazRat said:

Looking forward to it. 

Sorry HazRat but poop only rolls one way.

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