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scary100    9
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Hi all,

Can anyone working for the force (PC/and police staff)  feedback on the pros/cons of the following shift patterns?

 

27/4 - 2E-2L-2N-4Rest days )foxed start and finish times)

3/3/3 - 3E-3L-3Rest days (with variable start and finish times)

 

Ho has either of the patterns affected you personally?

Any feedback would be most welcome :-)

 

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Jeebs    877
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I'm guessing the 3-3-3rds shift pattern eliminates night shift? If so are they 12hr days?

A good friend of mine works 2-2-2-4rds and thinks it's fantastic.

Not difficult to beat a 5 week tidal pattern though!

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scary100    9
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Hi @Jeebs,

Thank for your reply.

Yes no nights for the 333 with a rotation of different starts and finish times (one rotation being super late).

I've heard a few people say this is a good shift pattern. The only downside was the first rest day being taken up by sleep.

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Jeebs    877
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27 minutes ago, scary100 said:

Hi @Jeebs,

Thank for your reply.

Yes no nights for the 333 with a rotation of different starts and finish times (one rotation being super late).

I've heard a few people say this is a good shift pattern. The only downside was the first rest day being taken up by sleep.

Is the 3-3-3, 3 12hr days and 3 12hr nights?

What I would say about 12hr shifts is that that they are really loooooong! Sounds stupid but they are. You find that on earlies you have no time in the evenings and on the nights you never feel well rested and again have very little time to get sorted before work. If you're held on it gets even worse. There is no change over either which just makes things a bit awkward.

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NCFPA    70
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6 on 4 off in London 2-2-2 e/l/n plenty of rest between second early and first late and between second late and first night


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scary100    9
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No, they are a mixture of 8/9 hour shifts. Basically 6 days (3E and 3L) with three days off (One less day off). The only benefit I can see at present on the 333  is no nights, but on the late shifts 2 out of the 3 start times finish the early hours of the next day (making it a super late). 

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Jeebs    877
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@scary100 sorry got the wrong end of the stick, assumed it would be 12hr shifts. 

With the 2-2-2-4 it means you always get a lie in, you would never get that horrible shock of having to wake up and roll into work, apart from the first early. You could say that you lose a day after the last night but if you manage it properly you should be back into a normal sleeping pattern that night. Say sleep from 7-8 to about 11-12 and do stuff in the afternoon.

Both are decent and trump the old fashioned 5 week patterns that a lot of places seem to be moving away from. Better for officers and better for resourcing.

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Sceptre    2,155
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Not a PC, but having watched a similar exercise from the sidelines I can chip in a few thoughts.

54 minutes ago, scary100 said:

27/4 - 2E-2L-2N-4Rest days )foxed start and finish times)

For cops, this pattern means that if you can't get an enquiry done on earlies then depending how busy back shifts are it'll be at least six and perhaps eight days until you can next find time to do it, so managing a workload will be harder than if you had a few days together. You'll never have time to properly adjust to nights so you can expect to be more worn out by the early hours. Also, expect sickness to shoot up on this pattern as certain people take the view that if they're going to be off then they may as well be off for all six.

35 minutes ago, scary100 said:

3/3/3 - 3E-3L-3Rest days (with variable start and finish times)

This pattern doesn't make sense - you're working six days as per the above, presumably doing longer 12hr shifts, yet getting fewer days off. 72hrs in every 216hr period is more than your 40hrs per week - our PCs were offered a 12hr pattern which went DDDD RRRR NNNN RRRR etc and even so they had late starts and flyers built in to make the hours work. Are you sure it's not days then rest days then nights?

The above aside, how variable is variable? For police staff as of this month they're entitled to three months' notice of their start and finish times but for cops this sounds like it could be a recipe for being messed about at the drop of a hat at worst and a at best makes it hard to plan your life too far in advance if you don't know exactly how your shifts will fall well in advance or might find them being flexed at short notice for things which frankly aren't exigencies of duty. Are you happy to drive for 12hrs solid, something which would be illegal outside the emergency services, or to be kept on having already worked for that long? Presumably there's not going to be an overlap, so how will you do your updates and paperwork without being pulled from pillar to post? How will training sessions be delivered? How will NTE and the like be covered? Are you at the beck and call of the radio right up to the end of your TOD meaning you're even more likely to be kept on than you are already unless the next shift is obliging enough to pick up jobs before they've even started work, and would you be willing to return the favour? The devil may be in the detail.

Have a look at whatever you're given compared to a calendar to see how many weekends off a month you'll get too, in case one is markedly better than the other.

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Jeebs    877
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Further to that Sceptre says, also consider how many weekends you get off. Might seem inconsequential but it affects family life etc 

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bensonby    3,307
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I used to work a EELLNNRRRR pattern and loved it. The only isssue was you ended up "owing" a quite a few days a year (it may be because they reduced the late turn by an hour). The net result was they fostered most Saturdays that would otherwise have fallen in the middle of your rest days as an extra aid shift. That was exceptionally rubbish.

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miffy    67
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Work 4E, 2R, 4N, 2R, 4L, 2R, 3E, 3R, 3N, 3R, 3,L, revolves around 5 weeks, and means you have two weekends off during the 5 week. 

 

Not great, but its manageable,

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Policey_Man    671
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@scary100.... What's the purpose of your question? Most people don't get to choose their shift pattern, they are told what they are working? So why the question?

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scary100    9
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I had the opportunity to choose as part of police staff role. 

 

Many thanks for your input everyone. Really appreciate it. 

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