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Cathedral Bobby

Is it time for a Royal Commission on Policing

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Cathedral Bobby

Looking at many of the threads on the site, the mega changes and difficulties faced by the police service, is it time for a Royal Commission on Policing to have an extensive look at our work, how we are organised, how we protect the public and how we are protected. Money is tight and like most organisations the police need to fin better ways of doing things. I think we need a Royal Commission to independently review policing and perhaps look at the following areas

1. Regionalisation of forces. Although many elements of policing have been amalgamated, can we work more efficiently and bring to bear greater resources by adopting a full regionalisation program, with a minimum force size of 10,000 officers

2. Should the police be routinely armed? If not what proportion should be and whether all officers should be equipped with Taser?

3. PCSO and special constabulary. Should the police service have a paid reserve, similar to what they have in NI. What is the value of having PCSOs, should they be disbanded and resources redirected into regular officer or they be given additional powers and used more effectively.

4. Is there a need for a national motorway policing service, which is also fully armed providing additional ARV responses to forces.

5. Should there be a national infrastructure police service.

6. Should there be a single national uniform/equipment standard with all officer dressed and equipped the same except for insignia

7. Should PCCs be disbanded and replaced with regional bodies to oversee policing

8. How should officers be trained? Do they need a degree or should regionalised training make a return with officers undertaking an intense residential training programmes.

9. What are the merits of a direct entry scheme for Inspector, Superintendent, Chief officer level.

10. What role and function should private specialist forces have in the 21st century, and are there areas which might benefit from an expansion, reducing the pressure on local police forces?

11. Is there a case for amalgamation between police and fire services and other emergency services?

These are not necessary my own views but some of the area I think may benefit from having an indepth look at.

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Looking at many of the threads on the site, the mega changes and difficulties faced by the police service, is it time for a Royal Commission on Policing to have an extensive look at our work, how we are organised, how we protect the public and how we are protected. Money is tight and like most organisations the police need to fin better ways of doing things. I think we need a Royal Commission to independently review policing and perhaps look at the following areas
1. Regionalisation of forces. Although many elements of policing have been amalgamated, can we work more efficiently and bring to bear greater resources by adopting a full regionalisation program, with a minimum force size of 10,000 officers
2. Should the police be routinely armed? If not what proportion should be and whether all officers should be equipped with Taser?
3. PCSO and special constabulary. Should the police service have a paid reserve, similar to what they have in NI. What is the value of having PCSOs, should they be disbanded and resources redirected into regular officer or they be given additional powers and used more effectively.
4. Is there a need for a national motorway policing service, which is also fully armed providing additional ARV responses to forces.
5. Should there be a national infrastructure police service.
6. Should there be a single national uniform/equipment standard with all officer dressed and equipped the same except for insignia
7. Should PCCs be disbanded and replaced with regional bodies to oversee policing
8. How should officers be trained? Do they need a degree or should regionalised training make a return with officers undertaking an intense residential training programmes.
9. What are the merits of a direct entry scheme for Inspector, Superintendent, Chief officer level.
10. What role and function should private specialist forces have in the 21st century, and are there areas which might benefit from an expansion, reducing the pressure on local police forces?
11. Is there a case for amalgamation between police and fire services and other emergency services?
These are not necessary my own views but some of the area I think may benefit from having an indepth look at.


Isn't all of this what the Home Office directorate for Policing do for a living ;)

And we'll do it if you pay for it!

Joking aside, this is quite a list and I'm sure many, many more things could be added to it. But I think the problem isn't identifying the problem, it's implementing the solution through the culture/change/programme/project management. And running big projects costs big money and and and the police are one of the most change-resistant body of people I've ever met! Being skint doesn't help either.

And even more and: let's be honest, reading between the lines, it is Tory policy to sell off bits of what the state does to the private sector and they have little interest in reform versus privatisation. 'cos the private sector is wicked at running big projects being motivated by profit!!

And one more and: such a Commission in such a wide ranging subject would take forever, would require significant change to the law and public and political support. Just leaving the EU is going to generate vast amounts of paperwork with too few pens to go around for two mega Constitutional-like projects!

Conclusion: go and live on the moon at the earliest opportunity as there are no Chief Constables there - yet!
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Cathedral Bobby
7 minutes ago, mla said:

Conclusion: go and live on the moon at the earliest opportunity as there are no Chief Constables there - yet!

The comfort in this Mla is that as your so opposed I am even more convinced it would be a great idea. And governments can manage to do more than one thing at a time. And you miss the point - Independent, which of course the Home Office Policing Directorate isn't.:06_EmoticonsHDcom:

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The comfort in this Mla is that as your so opposed I am even more convinced it would be a great idea. And governments can manage to do more than one thing at a time. And you miss the point - Independent, which of course the Home Office Policing Directorate isn't.06_EmoticonsHDcom.png.8b3a694856ab2ccce8bbe7e1cc94e1df.png

 

Glad I could be of assistance apropos your enthusiasm!

 

But bear in mind even an independent body, however you set the criteria for this, may not deliver the results you are looking for.

 

The problem is that being in the box and looking out is a different perspective to being out of the box looking in. In other words, the wider public may have other things on their agenda in relation to police reform than we do, notwithstanding that other matters of the State that Trump our need for reform, thus putting us down the list.

 

Excuse the pun.

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Remmy
25 minutes ago, mla said:

And one more and: such a Commission in such a wide ranging subject would take forever, would require significant change to the law and public and political support. Just leaving the EU is going to generate vast amounts of paperwork with too few pens to go around for two mega Constitutional-like projects!

Best not bother then if it's really hard to do ;) 

Sorry for being flippant but they seemed to be able to mange in 1960. But perhaps we should continue as we are, what could possibly go wrong.

PS I do agree with some of your observations but still think it worth seriously considering a commission. 

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JulietAlpha1

I think it should come as part of an Commission into the whole public sector, identifying who is responsible for what and where our individual liabilities end.

Can't see it happening any time soon though.

 

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MerseyLLB

A Royal Commission would show us in the police that the reform agenda was taken seriously and wasn't just a political tool.

Policing at the minute changes at least every 5 years as we get a new Government. Of course there are certain areas that Governments should be looking at but I feel policing is important enough that it deserves to fall outside party politics and we deserve a police force fit for the 21St century.

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I would love it if someone, anyone, could look into policing and make a decision about anything. 

What type of hats we wear, who carries taser, what rank structure we will have, how we recruit, get promoted etc etc and on and on.

People on the street ask me how to get into the job. I dont know any more. And if i did, by the time they apply, it would be wrong. 

Someone needs to get a handle on the police and make us the police. Not 43 separate little kingdoms

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On ‎14‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 00:32, MerseyLLB said:

A Royal Commission would show us in the police that the reform agenda was taken seriously and wasn't just a political tool.

Policing at the minute changes at least every 5 years as we get a new Government. Of course there are certain areas that Governments should be looking at but I feel policing is important enough that it deserves to fall outside party politics and we deserve a police force fit for the 21St century.

Up to a point I agree but be wary of what you ask for. In 1974 there was an enquiry into pay conducted by Lord Edmund Davies, a high court Judge. That went very well for us. But, I am sure that we need no reminding about a certain Sir Tom Winsor, who with having no knowledge of Policing managed to crucify "Pay, Pension, Terms and Conditions" and get them implemented which acted against every single serving officer, some more than others. Sop be very careful on what you wish for. Is anyone Naïve enough to believe in an independent "Royal Commission", they are all politically motivated.

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Jeebs

RE point 3 (I think) don't use the PSNI POPT model as an example. PCSOs do more police work than them.

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Zulu 22
1 minute ago, Jeebs said:

RE point 3 (I think) don't use the PSNI POPT model as an example. PCSOs do more police work than them.

You are joking, are you not. PCSO's are a joke. They should be trained and attested as warranted officers becoming  fully paid PC's working 24/7.  Specials are there to assist and when they report for duty would be detailed, what to do, and where. 

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You are joking, are you not. PCSO's are a joke. They should be trained and attested as warranted officers becoming  fully paid PC's working 24/7.  Specials are there to assist and when they report for duty would be detailed, what to do, and where. 


I agree, PCSO's are a complete waste of money, thankfully in the met they are reducing them to one per ward, most have gone on to be PC's

It might sound like I am PCSO bashing but since 2002 no one has managed to convince me what they do that justifies a salary of £30K


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Jeebs
1 hour ago, Zulu 22 said:

You are joking, are you not. PCSO's are a joke. They should be trained and attested as warranted officers becoming  fully paid PC's working 24/7.  Specials are there to assist and when they report for duty would be detailed, what to do, and where. 

The PSNI Police Officer Part Time scheme is naff.

They have no access to force systems and are essentially seat warmers/walking uniforms.

If they invested time, money, training into the officers and recruited some more younger more enthusiastic officers, it might be more worth while.

 

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Zulu 22
2 minutes ago, Jeebs said:

The PSNI Police Officer Part Time scheme is naff.

They have no access to force systems and are essentially seat warmers/walking uniforms.

If they invested time, money, training into the officers and recruited some more younger more enthusiastic officers, it might be more worth while.

So your POPT's are like our Specials then. Is that what you are saying?

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Jeebs

Erm no, specials have access to force systems, make arrests and actually add value. POPT don't.

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