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  1. There's been a lot of talk about the policing at the coronation which I won't go into again, but in the discussion I saw someone post on another board that they work in the police and they are told in training to never apologize. For example if there's a stop search where nothing is found, they are warned they must not say sorry for it. I'm interested in why that is. Do police officers think that saying sorry is an admission that they did something wrong? In which case I could see why you would never apologize for a negative stop search as long as the procedure has been done by the book. You wouldn't see what there is to apologize for. But in civilian life apologies are often given as a courtesy even when the person hasn't actually done anything wrong. For example when the shop says sorry an item is out of stock, they don't mean that they have done something wrong, they are just acknowledging the inconvenience it might have caused. So as a civilian, I'd like to know why the police would be told to never apologize. What's wrong with saying something like "Sorry to have wasted your time" after a negative stop search? You're not saying you've done anything wrong or the stop search was unlawful, it would just be a courtesy? Or do they think that doing that would open them up to liability or give mixed messages like "the officer said sorry to me so it must have been an illegal search"?
  2. Of the complaints you've seen made against officers for things like stop and search, use of force, and arrests, how many are justified or at least partly justified (maybe the officer is in the right but you can see why the complaint was made) compared to completely unjustified complaints with no grounds whatsoever? What happens to an officer if they carry out an unreasonable search, complaint is made, and the complaint is upheld/the person reviewing the BWV agrees the grounds for that search were not there. I'm assuming it can depend on a few things, such as if it's the first such incident for that officer, was it blatantly unreasonable or just pushing the boundaries a little bit.
  3. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64733390 Stop and search in its present form "burns through trust", the Met Police commissioner has told a group of community leaders in south London. It may come as a surprise considering there are quite a few policing powers I have issues with, but I've never really understood the outrage about this one. As long as there are reasonable grounds then stop and search is absolutely fine. From what I understand officers film each search on their body cameras and then give the person a copy of the paperwork. So if someone believes they were unreasonably searched the force can easily identify which officer did the search and review their footage to check.
  4. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/08/more-black-people-than-white-find-stop-and-search-humiliating-uk-survey-finds More than half of black people stopped and searched by the police say they were left with feelings of humiliation or embarrassment, according to a survey. Is it true that 4 out of 5 stop and searches result in nothing being found? I can't see what source he is using for that claim. As searches are done based on suspicion rather than certainty, I would expect there will always be some cases where nothing is found. 80% of all searches being negative seems rather high though and would make me question if the suspicion really is reasonable if it's turning out to be wrong so often. But it's not clear if he means nothing is found, or just they aren't arrested at the time.
  5. https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-47475566 The powers allow officers to carry out searches without the need for "reasonable grounds". I've never really agreed with Section 60 stop and searches. Searching a person is an invasion of their privacy, and should only happen where there is demonstrable grounds to justify it and I'm worried that any expansion of Section 60 could pave the way to searches being routinely carried out without grounds.
  6. Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities also calls for greater community leadership on causes of violent crime. Date - 31st March 2021 By - Gary Mason Stop and search is used mostly for suspicion of drugs possession rather than carrying knives and rates of use of the police power should be analysed at smaller geographic levels to avoid inaccurate claims relating to Black people. The Government ordered independent Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities report published today said that police and government messaging on the use of stop and search needs to be clearer. It said successive Home Secretaries going back to Amber Rudd in 2017 had clearly stated that the purpose of the tactic was to “take knives off the streets.” But it says there is a “disconnect between this narrative” and what is seen on the ground. Several police forces who were contacted by the Commission cited drugs and hard drug county lines as a key driver for the use of stop and search, and the data shows that the majority of searches are based on suspicion of drugs. The report says: “Is stop and search tackling the war on drugs? Or is it removing knives from our streets? Both the government and the police’s messaging in this area needs greater consistency and clarity in order for communities to understand the drivers of police activity, and why certain areas may require a greater police presence or application of its use.” The report also stated claims reported at a national level that Black people are 9 times more likely than White people to be stopped and searched are misleading. “There clearly are big disparities in stop and search, but the relative national disparity takes national populations as its reference point – not the relevant resident populations of smaller, urban areas with relatively high crime rates where stop and search is used more,” it says, “Stop and search disparities should therefore be analysed at smaller geographic areas, preferably below police force area.” Met Commissioner Dame Cressida Dick, defending the stop and search policy said that 72% of killings of youths under 25 years old involved Black victims in London. She said Black people were 4 times more likely to be a victim of violence than White people, and 8 times more likely to be a perpetrator in London. The report stated: “The knowledge that stop and search can lawfully be conducted on any individual can be, in and of itself, an effective deterrent against this – one of the most heinous of crimes." It added that while stop and search is a “life saving policing tactic” the way it is carried out need to be addressed by police forces and the communities they serve. It also says there has been “insufficient leadership” on violent crime issues from affected ethnic minority communities. The report concludes: “There is a bigger story here, behind these cold numbers, that our politics and public conversation has not been facing head on. The Commission believes that more individual and collective agency is needed to tackle these issues directly. Even before the police need to get involved.” View On Police Oracle
  7. Law enforcement needs to recognise offenders under 25 years old may have 'stunted maturation'. The police service needs to rethink its treatment of adults under 26 or risk alienating an entire generation, researchers say. The Police Foundation has raised concerns the current policing response to young adults is “not suitable” and said a distinct, tailored approach should be developed for policing 18-25 year olds. Suggestions included new training - particularly in stop and search - for managing young adults, supervising new recruits’ early contact with young adults and extending youth criminal justice diversion schemes. “Academic research demonstrates significant variation in the development of maturity among young adults aged 18 to 25,” a paper from the organisation says. “As we gradually develop a more sophisticated understanding of the young adult brain, the criminal justice system must consider how these disparities in development can affect behaviour, and recognise that the current cliff-edge of an 18th birthday is often an arbitrary date that bears little relation to the reality of young adult offenders’ lives. “In addition, psychological research shows that variation in levels of psychosocial maturity can be hugely significant and thus in some cases an individual aged 24 or 25 may in fact possess a similar psychological maturity to an individual ten years their junior.” It added criminology research typically demonstrates young adults “grow out” of crime in their mid-20s as they move out of their childhood bedrooms, become parents and start working full time but poor job opportunities and spiralling house prices are delaying the maturation process. According to the report, the proportion of 20-34 year olds living with their parents reached a record high of 26 per cent in 2017. “It is increasingly recognised that the factors described above should be taken into consideration when deciding how to police young adults,” the report adds. “A lack of understanding of the challenges facing this group, and how they may impact on their decision making and behaviour, could lead to a generation who enter adult life with both reduced life chances and negative perceptions of the police – both of which might have implications for future offending. “The contextual drivers outlined above are unlikely to change dramatically in the coming years, as widespread austerity and cuts to local authority budgets continue. "Policing should consider how it can help to address the issue and what a distinct approach to individuals aged 18 to 25 might look like.” The study points out that 18-25 year olds are not distinguished as a separate age group in police statistics, making it difficult to map trends in offending. Organisational culture was described as a key barrier to engaging with young adults as officers are reluctant to be seen as “soft” on adult offenders. “There is a wider question here about how best to influence police culture and inspire a shift in attitudes towards young adults, in a similar manner to the sea change in the police approach to under-18s," the research paper adds. Police leaders were criticised for a “general lack of appetite to volunteer to be at the forefront of any genuine change” while a lack of structure among PCCs meant they could not share best practice. Researchers also noted a “significant disconnect” between official policy and senior officer statements and “the actual day-to-day practice of police officers”. The Metropolitan Police’s new Divert scheme offering young adult offenders an alternative pathway from crime by pointing them in the direction of apprenticeships and support programmes, was praised as "one of the best examples of a specifically police-led initiative” for young adults. Similar initiatives should be introduced across to country and developed with the guidance of the College of Policing, the report said. The Police Foundation also wants to work closely with six police force areas interesting in trialling a new approach and offers to help formulate implementation plans so it can review point-of-arrest diversion projects and training for officers. View On Police Oracle
  8. Most of Britain’s police forces are still failing to obey rules to prevent abuse of their stop and search powers, according to the police regulator, raising the prospect that the government will legislate to force them to do so Full Story - Guardian
  9. I have to admit I've not seen it all yet. At about the 7 minute mark of part one and am in stitches! Part 1 Part 2
  10. The home secretary Theresa May's crackdown on the police use of stop and search could have caused more people to die from knife attacks, the Conservative frontrunner to be London mayor suggested today. Read the full article
  11. Kamikaze Turkey

    Future of Stop & Search

    Hi all, What do we think this government has in store for the future with regards to Stop & Search? I know that Theresa May isn't a fan of it. I'd be interested to hear people's views on this. KT.
  12. Very well handled by the Cumbria bobby, very polite and professional. The man was infuriating and had to be told numerous times that the search did no require his consent but he got there in the end. Good little video.
  13. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32036443
  14. All police officers working in Staffordshire will be trained how to use stop-and-search powers correctly after a review highlighted large 'inconsistencies' across the county. It emerged earlier this month that just 10 per cent of stop-and-search operations resulted in arrests, cautions or warnings in a year. It prompted fears that officers misunderstand the powers or use them 'inappropriately'. Staffordshire’s Police and Crime Commissioner Matthew Ellis asked an independent panel to carry out the study. Mr Ellis, who spoke out about the matter at a police performance meeting last week, said: "The challenge coming out of this report is the rationale around many of these stop and searches. "Out of 100 people stopped in Stoke, there was good reason in 19-20 situations and yet in Lichfield it is four out of 100. We need to create some consistency across the patch. "Taking someone's liberty by stopping them is pretty serious stuff. Yes, we want you to use the powers properly but we must be absolutely certain it is not a scatter gun approach and these figures are consistent. "It is not an exact science it is about people and it maybe a training issue." Mr Ellis added a 20 per cent arrest rate was 'sensible' but four per cent needed to be improved. Assistant Chief Constable Bernie O'Reilly said: "Obviously we want to drive up quality rather than quantity. "I honestly think in terms of stop and search this is a misunderstanding of the legislation rather than an abuse of it. "There is clearly a training gap and we are training all officers from the beginning of April." The panel also found that body-worn cameras were 'rarely' used during stop and searches in Staffordshire despite front-line officers being equipped with them and national guidance encouraging them to be used. Although there are ethical issues around recording some confrontations the panel urged police to use their judgement in each situation. They stressed the recordings could be used as evidence in prosecutions and would safeguard officers against allegations of any wrong-doing while they were halting individuals. ACC O'Reilly added that using the cameras more would 'increase public confidence'. http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/02/20/staffordshire-police-officers-to-get-stop-and-search-training-after-review-highlights-inconsistencies/
  15. Theresa May has told police forces they must further reduce the number of stop-and-searches carried out. Delivering the Stephen Lawrence Charitable Trust Criminal Justice Lecture, the Home Secretary reiterated her warning that if stop-and-searches are continually misused, a Conservative government “will not hesitate” to introduce legislation to curb the power. Paul Ford, lead on stop and search for the Police Federation of England and Wales, said: “Stop and search remains a vital part of everyday policing. Police forces are continuing to make significant progress to allay concerns and improve what is an effective tool to combat crime and provide public reassurance, which is now more challenging than ever with 17,000 less officers on the streets. “Many communities want and need a visible police presence with street crime, possession of knives, weapons and drugs still prevalent across England and Wales. Knife and gang related crime pose a significant risk in some communities, requiring police officers to use stop and search powers proportionately. “The Home Office and Chief Officers have a responsibility to educate the public around police stop and search powers, and how they are used to keep the public protected. “Additional training in this area for officers would be welcome, but forces need to be allocated more resources as most have cut training budgets to cope with the significant reduction to police budgets. “Whether to further reduce the number of stop and searches carried out or curb the power entirely should be an operational decision.” View the full article
  16. POLICE Scotland is wrongly recording "several hundred thousand" stop-searches a year. POLICE Scotland is wrongly recording "several hundred thousand" stop-searches a year. The national force has come under increasing political scrutiny over what its own numbers have made look like a tactic of mass frisking, including of children. However, its chief constable, Sir Stephen House, has now admitted that vast numbers of routine encounters, such as taking alcohol from youngsters, had skewed official statistics. Speaking before his main civilian watchdog, the Scottish Police Authority or SPA, on Friday Sir Stephen took personal responsible for "some mistakes in data gathering and presentation". The chief constable had been summoned before the SPA after the BBC reported figures that appeared to show the force breaching its own policy - announced last summer - of not carrying out consensual searches on under-12s were also wrong. The broadcaster had said there had been 356 such suspicionless searches since the change in policy. It had obtained the numbers under Freedom of Information laws - "legislatively, not consensually", the chief joked. The force had not wanted to release them, telling the broadcaster they thought the numbers were corrupted. The body representing rank-and-file officers has long argued that Scottish statistics for stop-and-search were being inflated - and that resulting meaningless figures were sparking political controversy. The SPA on Friday was told the latest analysis suggested that the actual number of under-12s subjected to consensual searches was 18. Most were youngsters stopped by police after youth disorders before their ages could be checked. Sir Stephen said "I don't think we should routinely be using consensual search on children. But it is a policy, not a law,. if my officers step outside the police and they have got a good reason, they will get 100% support." He said that if so-called "interventions" - for example, when officers remove alcohol from children - were removed from figures there would be dramatic reduction in the wholesale number. He said: "They would reduce by several hundred thousand. "Why is is that Police Scotland stops so many more people than the Metropolitan Police or the New York City Police? "Because we record as much of what we do as possible and, frankly, we are damned for going further in recording our contacts with citizens. "I think we need to record them in the right box." The representing rank-and-file officers has for some years warned that stop-search figures have been inflated by what it regards as a "targets culture". A spokesman Scottish Police Federation or SPF said the SPA meeting at which Sir Stephen was speaking could be "best summarised by saying 'the numbers are guff'". Sir Stephen denies individual targets for the number of searches - although he has set targets for the share of searches that are "positive", that find something. Vic Emery, the SPA chairman ended the meeting by challenging Sir Stephen to look at what effect any targets have had on the issue. The force, meanwhile, has said it believes that consensual searches should be reviewed. One of Sir Stephen's deputies, Rose Fitzpatrick, laid out potential consequences of that, including the danger statutory searches could be seen as more confrontational. She also suggested that many consensual searches, about a third, were nominally made for alcohol. There is no statutory power to frisk for such drinks. Police believe such a power should be considered. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/police-admit-over-counting-several-hundred-thousand-stop-and-searches-after-high-numb.118459735?utm_source=www.heraldscotland.com&utm_medium=RSS%20Feed&utm_campaign=Scottish%20News
  17. The Best Use of Stop and Search Scheme has launched today with 35 forces implementing the new approach The voluntary scheme is part of a range of measures that will contribute to a reduction in the overall use of stop and search, lead to better and more intelligence-led stop and searches and more effective outcomes. The 35 forces going live today have implemented all aspects of the scheme to: • increase transparency by recording all outcomes of stop and search and whether there is a connection between the grounds for the search and the outcome; • restrict the use of Section 60 “no suspicion” powers; • give members of the public the opportunity to observe stop and search in practice; and • introduce a community complaints trigger – ensuring that complaints are properly monitored and scrutinised. The remaining eight forces – City of London, Derbyshire, South Yorkshire, Greater Manchester Police, Dorset, South Wales, Lincolnshire, South Yorkshire – are already implementing aspects of this scheme and have confirmed the scheme will become fully operational in their force area in coming months. College of Policing lead on stop and search Inspector Nick Glynn said: “Stop and search powers are necessary to help us tackle crime and keep people safe. It is clear that the service has not always got its use of these intrusive powers right, and this has left resentment in our communities. Under this scheme outcomes will be recorded in more detail so we have a greater understanding of how the powers are being used. "Searches which do not require reasonable grounds of suspicion will reduce, be subject to more effective oversight from senior officers and communities will have greater powers to question the police over their use of stop and search. “The College of Policing is working to review and develop the evidence-base, training and guidance on stop and search. This will help to ensure that police officers at every level in the service – including those at senior ranks overseeing the use of the power - are equipped with the right knowledge and skills to conduct stop and search effectively, proportionately and fairly. "We are also working in partnership with the Equality and Human Rights Commission to look at whether unconscious bias is affecting officers’ use of stop and search. “There are many areas of good practice and the College will be sharing that across the country so that we see the changes needed to ensure that our communities are confident that these important powers are being used appropriately and where their use is necessary.” From today West Mercia and Nottinghamshire police will begin a pilot scheme that will digitally map stop and searches, identifying locations where stop and searches take place using geo-mapping technology. The data will be uploaded to Police.uk so the public can monitor the use of stop and search powers. And following an eight-week public consultation on revising the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) Code A, which governs the police’s use of stop and search, the Home Secretary will lay a revision to Code A in parliament this week. This revision will make clear to officers what constitutes ‘reasonable grounds for suspicion’ and to emphasise that the misuse of stop and search powers would lead to performance or disciplinary procedures. Notes to Editors About the College of Policing: The College of Policing is the professional body for policing. It sets high professional standards to help forces cut crime and protect the public. The College is here to give everyone in policing the tools, skills and knowledge they need to succeed. The College of Policing will enhance the ability of police forces and individuals to deliver their mission of preventing crime and protecting the public. The College of Policing will: • Set standards • Promote evidence-based good practice • Accredit training providers • Support partnership working • Lead on ethics and integrity View the full article
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