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  1. It’s good community engagement as far as I’m concerned. Damned if you show a human side, damned if you don’t. Haters gonna hate no matter what we do, but a lot of the comments in that vile red top paper were positive.
  2. Then i’ve imparted an important first lesson in surviving your probation; banter.
  3. On social media the term 'murdered' has become the universal phrase which I fear is a tad fanciful given the circumstances. There seems to be an incomprehensible tone that the police were not entitled to attempt to pull over this young chap or to go after him. This has not been addressed firmly by any public authority figure which is a mistake in my view. Whether the incident was or was not a pursuit is clearly in this case subjective - the officers did not consider it a pursuit, the misconduct hearing accepted it was not a pursuit but a lay jury believed it was a pursuit (which is understandable as a member of public hearing that officers were trying to catch up with the moped would in plain English consider them to be pursuing him). Don't forget, juries are pretty free to make any decision they want in some circumstances - ie Mark Duggan. They somehow believed that he had a gun but didn't have it on him when contacted by the armed officers. They made that ruling on their own judgement with no reliable corroborative evidence - the only real eyewitness was over a hundred metres away in an elevated position in a flat but claimed he could 'clearly' see that Duggan didn't have a gun................. We also have to be careful to not allow the ends to justify the means - the funding of drugs and mobiles tells us WHY this chap MAY have driven erratically IF he saw police and IF he then decided to fail to stop. However as this particular information was not known specifically to the officers at the time it's irrelevant. What we know is that HICKS was on a moped which officers REASONABLY believed was not legal. It was a 50cc moped with an illegal 300cc engine thereby handling very differently and at far higher speeds than what it presented as. The officers had reasonable suspicions which warranted them to investigate further. The officers reasonably went to locate HICKS to further investigate. The officers state that they were struggling to keep up with HICKS which appears to be corroborated by the CCTV. At some stages there were 10 seconds between the vehicles. If you sit still and imagine a moped passing you at 50mph. Then sit and count to 10. At this point imagine a police car passing you. There would be a substantial distance between the two vehicles. I would say that 10 seconds gap is longer than even many police pursuits where the pursuing car is 'backing off' due to helicopter keeping obs etc. Fat packet maths for me shows 50mph as about 20m per second. Unless my maths is totally off that would suggest that if both vehicles were travelling at the same speed they would be 200 metres apart if there was a 10 second gap - or nearly 2 full length football pitches. However, there is a chance that HICKS saw the blue lights, or heard sirens, and whilst perhaps not in a textbook pursuit decided that he did not want to be anywhere near an approaching police car which may or may not have been pursuing him. So let us for one second leave an open narrative on whether HICKS and the officers believed there to be a fail to stop. Let us now look at the circumstances. As mentioned by various parties in the coroner's investigation...this did not have the hallmarks of a high risk moped pursuit. HICKS was not riding on pavements. HICKS was not riding down alleyways or bollarded streets unnegotiable by police cars. HICKS did not discard his helmet. HICKS did not discard evidence. The police cars were not in very close proximity, not so much as to be putting undue pressure on the moped. There is absolutely no suggestion at any time of any chance of contact between police cars and the moped. The speed involved was the only high risk factor involved as it has been stated that at points HICKS travelled at nearly 3 times a 20mph limit. I simply cannot see that the actions taken by police were unreasonable. They may, or may not depending on whose subjective view you side with, have breached the pursuit policy in so far as seeking authorisation. However, objectively I cannot see that their actions in themselves were unreasonable. A young lad has died in unfortunate but avoidable circumstances. I can't help but feel that there is no circumstances where the interested parties will accept any outcome other than the police accepting blame. Which is perhaps understandable in their position but is incredulous for me that the wider public seem not to 'get It'.
  4. I was there, you weren’t. This was straight after briefing when the fair opened before anyone was around - even if it wasn’t, so what? The fair is one of the oldest in the UK being an annual event for over 700 years starting in 1278. Historically it has been marred by violence and disorder hence the large (for our force at least) Police presence with officers being seriously assaulted in the past but over the past 10 years or so we’ve made great reductions in incidents there and the local authority has started to provide security to allow us to reduce numbers there which is largely down to the relaxed, approachable presence of the cops who work it every year such as myself! Anyone who says doing what we did brings the force into disrepute is quite simply deluded.
  5. If other forces are holding recruitment events only open to certain sexes and ethnicities, then yes, they are discriminatory. The article says: "At the workshops, aspiring recruits receive help with application forms and mock tests, are given coaching, and have the chance to meet serving officers." That would suggest that people at these workshops are receiving some kind of help with their application, and 'mock tests' would seem to suggest that they've received some indication of what to expect in their assessment centres. That's not coaching throughout the whole recruitment process, but on the information we have, it would appear that there is some advantage to attending, over people who don't. I can't speak for everyone, and I've only had a cursory read through most of this thread, but I haven't noticed anything outrageous. I have seen plenty of people arguing that the practice is discriminatory, but on the information we have it would appear to be true. Making comments like you have, in an attempt to scare off people from defending their opinions, isn't helpful.
  6. I’ve been really bugged recently by the compete misuse of the Ambulance service. Not by the Public (that’s a separate issue) but by police officers who don’t think about what they are doing. We get trained with basic first aid for a reason. Only a few weeks ago a lady fell down some steps at a shopping centre, her only injury complaint was that she had a cut to her shin. Officers on scene asked for LAS and were chasing them up for 20 minutes. When asked what had actually happened and learning of the injuries I attended myself, what I saw was a one inch gash to her leg, whilst it was sore there was no other injury complaint and the lady was walking fine. I asked both the officers on scene and the shopping centre security why they hadn’t done basic first aid after half an hour, they explained that they were waiting for LAS. I asked the officers why they needed an ambulance when they had a first aid kit, the explanation was that the lady needed to go to hospital.She didn’t, even if she did she could have made her own way. I work with a PC who is also a registered LAS Paramedic, he explained that my OCU calls out to LAS have a 43% Cancellation rate and a near 80% non-transfer rate. That’s to say that 4/5ths of our patients we call out for don’t even make it to hospital. I suppose what I’m trying to say is to stop the over the top backside covering for really simple stuff. You’re not going to get sacked because someone has a cut to their finger, you have not failed in your duty as long as the persons injuries are not life changing and they are of sound mind to make that decision. We moan about people wasting our time but look how much time and money we are wasting...no wonder there are no ambulances for the serious jobs. Discuss...
  7. Because I served as a JP during my inspection career and completed all of the training. You're told during training not to make such statements. Their training does not go deeply into the criminal law its emphasis is on process, HRA compliance, team working as a bench, sentencing guidelines, legal procedure etc. Unlike District Judges who give a summing up judgment around how they reached their decision. Lay magistrates are told if you find someone not guilty the chair gives the agreed fecision of the bench and dismisses the court. This is partially to avoid such comments which they are not qualified to give.
  8. Thoughts on Recruitment

    Why would we "zap" the thread as you call it. It's in the right place and the person posting it has contributed to the running costs of the forum. No need to reply, this is more of a rhetorical question.
  9. What's the story behind your handle

    Mine is because my name is John.
  10. I am all for recruiting campaigns being held which assist particular groups, but what is wrong in my mind, and discriminatory, is excluding a significant portion of society, in this case white males. I think we sometimes ask the wrong questions. Why not ask why is policing more attractive to white males, why do black males make better sprinters, why do more women go into nursing. Sometimes there are reasons why people don't apply which may be cultural, genetic, family, or may be they just are not interested. Many police officers or people in the military follow members of their family into similar careers. There is a legacy element to recruitment. If some communities don't have a legacy history within the family creating an interest at a young age, then perhaps later it ain't going to happen. But whatever it isn't the fault of young white males who want to make a career in policing but who are discriminated against. These so called affirmative action campaigns take no account of individuality. What are these communities doing within themselves to promote policing as a career for young people within.
  11. Let’s start a white heterosexual association and and see how that is received. I am confident there would be some serious repercussions. There is no place for Racism in a modern society, but this isn’t the preserve of those that don’t make up the countries largest demographic. Misuse of racism claims is itself racism in my opinion. Equality is just that, everyone treated equally, not preferential treatment or special assistance to certain groups.
  12. The fed will issue you with a false moustache when you join and you’re encouraged to wear it whilst off duty.
  13. Adult Volunteers

    It really was a lot of fun though. It's a great experience for the cadets as they use Airwave with real controllers on the other end, going to scenarios that are often adapted from real events. It's interesting how cadets sometimes miss their callsign being said on the air and how nervous controllers get when they can't raise cadets, I suppose it's just habit. It's the closest they'll ever get to being a police officer, without actually being one. I've got loads of photos from last year, a selection from Twitter are below:
  14. First class, thoroughly deserved. Specials do make a real difference and people who deride them should stop. They're not second class police officers, they are just police officers. I add my congratulations to these officers
  15. BBC: Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds injured' in Catalan clashes

    Well if they go independent we will refuse to buy their pasties and ice-cream, then they will go bust and look to Greece to bail them out.
  16. All of those detractors of the British Police, who constantly moan should take a good look at the news footage and say "Thank God for our British Police"
  17. Over moderation

    I sometimes feel PC is over moderated and although in policing you need a sense of humour to get you through, there is little recognition of the fact with moderators taking an over sensitive approach. Having a sense of humour and posting humorous posts is still being on topic. I firmly believe there is over censorship. Being told there is only one area on the site where humour is acceptable and told to post there seems OTT. Just wondered what colleagues views are.
  18. Over moderation

    Let me explain a few things. The whole moderation team and the owners of this and the other sites are either serving or previously serving UK police officers. We cover a number of ranks and roles and levels of experience. We are well aware of and used to banter, jokes and messing around. Between some of us we have successfully owned and run a combination of these sites for over 10 years and in all that time the style and level of moderation has never changed and yet we are still here. We have in the past tried to help others who were setting up sites but they all decided to go in a different direction to us, I'd be surprised if you could find any of them still running with any sort of participation. Where we have serious subjects that go off topic we usually try to steer them back on topic, we'll allow some modicum of off topic pots if it's relevant and going to promote the discussion but where it's gone completely awry then we'll take further action. I suspect this has come from the topic about North Korea and the US making and denying threats. The whole thread, over a page in fact, was off topic and just silly. There were a few posts that remained and it's only because of these that prevented the whole thread being removed. In our years of experience we are aware that serious topics that only appear to get frivolous replies do in fact drive away new members as they see the site either as a bit of a joke or un-disciplined and not really what they are looking for. We are part of or for some members want to be part of a disciplined service and this is something we need to portray at our front end. We all use banter and have a laugh but there is a time and a place. Would you be comfortable making some of the comments or making some the jokes that you have in a briefing room out in public for the whole world to see? We have on more than one occasion been picked up by the mainstream media so we are very aware they watch and read our forums looking for things to report on, whether it's true or not. Moderation is not an exact science and not all the mods react to the same things in the same way. Not all have the time to read a whole thread before making a decision so you may not always be happy with what and how things happen. What I do know about the moderation team is that it is a thankless task that they do it for absolutely no remuneration or gifts of any kind and that without them this site, and the others, would very quickly fail. Obviously I'm not going to promote other sites but if you go and look and dig for a while you'll find other sites that are run how some of you seem to want this site to be, please feel free to join them and see how long that lasts. We do want you all to stay and to continue to participate but please try to refrain from turning every subject into a load of banter and jokes. We administrators and moderation team will discuss your concerns further and if we think any changes to the style of moderation can be made then we'll look to implement that. For now the existing rules stand and will be applied.
  19. What exactly is your problem with specials? Every thread I see regarding them you seem to treat them with less respect than regular colleagues. Thankfully I never met a serving officer with the same attitude during my time as a special. Also, not sure if you are aware, but times change and so does the level of threat. I'm sure when cops used to walk around with a wooden truncheon and a whistle they said the same thing. Nah we don't need more PPE, don't need stab vests don't be silly, this is Britain! Frontline response cops need arming, end of. I'm fed up of hearing about how 'professional' and 'restrained' the British police service is. 'Best police force in the world'. Well great, what's the problem with issuing sidearms then? Or are we admitting we are less competent than European police forces? It's one or the other, we are either competent enough to carry sidearms or we aren't? So which one is it? Nobody can answer that without going on a tangent it seems. What the public wants is irrelevant. The police forces duty is to protect them, at the moment we cannot offer adequate protection in the event of marauding terrorist attacks. I'm with a county force and an AFO response would be 10+ minutes away, 5-10 if you're lucky and they are in the area. People in general do not like change, but I think it's been proven from polls recently that the public feel safer with armed police around. The general public will definitely get over seeing a sidearm on response cops hips. We might also get some respect back from criminals who know the worst we can do is twist their arm or spray them with silly string. So to keep on topic, yes if regulars become routinely armed then specials need to be as well. If that means removing specials that don't do enough hours or aren't competent enough to pass necessary tests then so be it.
  20. The legislation to carry this kind of enforcement out and establish such bodies already exists but remains largely unknown/forgotten about. From my own personal experience PCSO's who were brought in to tackle this kind of legislation were made largely redundant thanks to political interference which curbed the role into nothing more than public relations/intelligence gathering - PCSO's were artificially held back by the powers that be and disallowed largely across the board of enforcing even the basic of offences which caused the public to lose what little faith they had in the role - coming from a force that does utilise it's PCSO's to a useful degree and does back them it's mind blowing that money is being wasted on a position where even if an officer encounters a low level public order offence they are powerless to act unless calling on a PC to step in and take over. Council Wardens I find are the opposite end of the spectrum, they often have 'powers' given to them to enforce nuisance/disorder matters but the entire concept relies on the person being ticketed or reported to provide their name and address details - as soon as someone turns around and says "I'm not giving you them" or becomes aggressive/threatening the entire concept falls down on its head and the wardens themselves know that this is the case... The result being targeting of people who would be seen to be 'easy targets' rather than the yobs of society who know the system to get away with it... Mrs Miggins who drops her cigarette butt outside the train station, retired life long worker who respects society and it's institutions will hand over her details for littering - Billy 'Scumbag' Smith with a history of violence, robbery and burglary offences will not and more often than not simply resort to what he has always resorted to when confronted with his misbehaviour, will turn abusive and threatening. The result being a society where those who pay their taxes, respect other people etc become the targets of the system because they are compliant. We need to have a redress of balance within society so that the public can see that the system works for them not against them and actively prosecutes the people who do take the mick. A mindset we also need to move away from is the idea that the 'Police' are the be all and end all of criminal enforcement - this has literally crippled the service where we've become the 'go to' organisation for every minor incident - the system cannot cope and cops have far more important things to be getting on with.
  21. Because it was blatantly obvious to anyone with any common sense that the only person responsible for his death was himself, and in a desperate bid to persecute someone for something in order to pacify the baying mob, the officers were accused of breaching policy by not requesting permission to pursue, thus breaching policy. They were not being investigated for causing his death, just for breaching pursuit policy. As the panel found there was no pursuit, they cannot have breached policy, and therefore are not guilty of misconduct. Much as his family, his 'mates', and all the c-list celebs who got in on the coat tails of the social media hate campaign will protest, this was the right decision.
  22. Frankly what difference does it make whether they were or not? If any motorist (and I include rider in that) declines to stop when legally ordered to do so, then there can only be one person to blame - and guess what, it's the motorist.
  23. Without sounding like a broken record from reading the last few posts I think it is clear that there is a desperate need for a full review and reform of policing in the UK. Especially with the smaller forces it is reaching a point where there is no effectiveness. Officers chase their tails around trying to balance plates. Nothing is ever really achieved. We need a discussion about what the priorities are, who is best placed to do what, dare I say it but looking at funding and using it smartly not just pumping it in to gimmicks. Yes, I accept that more money in the short term would be needed to restructure things, be that for some sort of lower tier local authority constables. This problem isn’t just going to go away, I think we are approaching a cliff edge.
  24. I remember reading about this story a while ago. Of course it’s sad for the family of Henry but I still think it is frankly unacceptable that it has taken nearly 3 years to reach this point. Have to feel for the officers and their families as the stress must have been horrendous. Hopefully everyone can now move on.
  25. I think something needs to change. There needs to be a grown up discussion about what is going to best for Policing. We seem to just be sleepwalking in to oblivion at the moment. I think the time is coming to seriously discuss regional mergers and then look at what options are available for local policing issues. The biggest insult is for years the government have been saying ‘police reform is working’. There hasn’t really been any reform other than drastically cutting resources, usually from core of policing and more to do by dumping other agencies’ work on the police under the banner of safeguarding and wondering why things are the way they are.
  26. I know the party line but is there any reason that people believe a low level non injury common assault being DV automatically means it should be dealt with? I've filed a number of DV common assaults without arresting an offender. Most recently I crimed 3 DV assaults between a mother and two daughters and the decision was to leave them in the same house when we left. Admittedly that's very rare and the only time in 9 years of policing I have ever taken that particular action but we should be judging every case on its merits in my opinion. I've arrested the proverbial mars bar thief and I've filed a technical burglary. I've managed to get a charge for resist arrest where all other charges were dropped and I've personally pressed for an assault police on me to be dropped. I feel like these days people police 'by numbers' rather than professional judgement. A blanket screening out policy is as rubbish for the public as blanket zero tolerance.
  27. I have a 'defence' to the idiot comments about wasting time, however we all like to try and have s bit of fun when at work. This didn't harm anyone, it blew some steam off, and likely any officers on duty that weren't NHPT were SCs (if it is anything like my force at least). Props to the CH/SUPT for joining in with it. He'll get some more loyalty from junior ranks for not being a king on a hill and getting involved with his officers.
  28. My force, happens every year on the final day of the fair just after briefing. Last year we hit the big wheel in force but never made the front pages. We are so used to this anti-Police drivel that the Chief Inspector even paid for the ride so nobody could whinge about that side of it. Thankfully the good people of Hull are fully behind us and this toilet article is being treat with the contempt it deserves!
  29. Correctly?!? Why does this mindset persist within HO forces? The problem with the Home Office way of thinking is that its often a 'one size fits all' model of policing with little or no specialism in place to deal with prolific problems in a particular area - by your logic I guess the money towards litter enforcement/flytipping should instead be spent on the HO forces to deal with? Local Authority Police for want of a better word works the world over, dealing with low level problems that the national forces are too busy to deal with - low level crime wasnt a priority when I was a kid growing up in the 90s - I never saw a beat officer because the mindset of policing moved away from being community focused towards a more national model... BTP itself is proof of specialisation working within policing - we deal with the things our community want us to be dealing with, we are probably one of the last forces that dedicate alot of our time to foot patrol/beats because we can afford to do so and its what is expected of us. This idea that its 'the HO or nothing' needs to change. I firmly believe one of the biggest problems to affect policing came from the removal of council operated constabularies to central government managed county forces... There needs to be that connection.
  30. I say shift responsibility for atleast some of the investigation back onto organisations and companies involved - especially public authorities who have this habit of sliding everything onto the police. The security industry goes on and on about providing a 'professional' service yet deliver the bare minimum that often isn't up to muster by anyones standards. Train security officers to submit and take statements from themselves and the companies staff on an MG11 for low level offences such as shoplifting. Encourage companies to privately prosecute or deal with things via debt recovery. Have authorities such as the NHS employ people capable of investigating crimes committed against their staff and incentivise their security to deal with problem people robustly using their powers already available to them under common law and statute legislation - we need to move away from this silly Americsnisation of various industries, the number of security officers who have been 'rebranded' as 'customer service operatives' or 'ambassadors' is a joke - get people in who are there to protect the public. Re-train police and our supervisors as to just what powers the public and security personel have and encourage the use of any person powers within these organisations in a reasonable, measured way - move away from the mind set that police monopolise the use of force or even the power to prosecute - local authorities have a LEGAL responsibility to tackle crime and anti-social behaviour - they have the ability to swear in Constables for low level enforcement with a power of arrest yet very few authorities are willing to do this. In order to fix the problems that frankly plague our society it is going to take a joint effort from not just the police but everyone including private industry, local/public authorities.
  31. I wouldn’t take mental health issues as nonsense.
  32. If you go and find a workshop run explicitly for none BME candidates then I'm sure Undertaker will concede the point.
  33. I get that people are saying that this is lawful and most likely has gone through legal advice etc etc. However I think it is MORALLY wrong. I say this because in 2017 no one should have any sort of preferential treatment or any sort of advantage, no matter how small, just because of ethnicity or gender or anything else for that matter. I go on quite a bit about this but I am very headstrong when it comes to equality. I feel that in this day and age we should have true equality ie it is a level playing field for everyone regardless of where you are born, where you grew up, what the colour of your skin is, sexuality, gender or whatever. Personally I feel things like this simply create more division in our society. I think that the recruitment process is the recruitment process. If you can pass then great, if people don’t pass then that’s unfortunate however it means that the people that passed were generally deemed fit to do the job regardless of anything else. Also playing devils advocate here, is it not insulting to people from these backgrounds/communities to suggest that they need some sort of extra assistance and coaching?
  34. It is discrimination though because they don't only encourage, they also help and coach them to pass the recruitment. If you are a white male you don't get this support.
  35. There is no way that you can teach experience. There is no way you can know what it feels like to be spat at, kicked, punched, attacked with a knife, shot at, had someone try to kill you with a vehicle, told a mother that her son is dead, attacked by an angry mob, Benn accused of lying in a Court, been the subject of malicious complaints, or told an officers next of kin that they will not be coming home. That comes the hard way with experience. It grates when you have a Senior Officer directing that you do something that is wrong because they know no better. I have seen too many who moved too far, too quickly; so forgive me if I do not support this. And R.M. sometimes you do come out with some rubbish. Beeching killed the railways as a service, MacGregor killed off the coal industry and how many pits do we now have. Tom Winsor destroyed Policing and Police morale. This new scheme will kill off decent Policing just as sure as Cancer cells destroy life without radical intervention.
  36. BBC: Sale of acids to under-18s to be banned

    It's just a pointless measure designed to give the illusion of doing something. You won't stop these people carrying weapons by banning them. The real stop-gap measure would be to give a mandatory custodial for an offweap conviction where caustic chemicals are involved. Won't solve the problem with violence, but it might at least make them go back to more traditional weapons for a while.
  37. BBC: Sale of acids to under-18s to be banned

    But why wait until the Tory conference to announce this, it could have been done months ago. In the meantime many have been scared for life.
  38. A Spontaneous Firearms Incident is one that isn't pre-planned... Usually this will be something like a report by 999 from a member of public saying there is a person with a firearm walking down the street and ARVs are deployed - an Initial Tactical Firearms Commander (usually an OPS1 / Control Room Inspector) will normally grant an '[emergency] firearms authority' and deploy ARVs to deal and get the authorities ratified (or not) by the Strategic Firearms Commander (Gold) in due course. This is different from a pre-planned firearms operation which might be something like police having intel to suggest that Billy Smith is going to carry out a cash-in-transit robber and we carry out surveillance with armed support (MASTS) and the officers carry out an armed stop on Smith as he's getting out his car in the car park next to the post office... In that case the Strategic Firearms Commander needs to have given authority in advance, and the TFC needs to be a Cadre TFC rather than an Initial TFC (which is an additional course/qualification). Self Authorisation is different again and is to be avoided wherever possible - it's not fair on the AFOs to put them in that position. It *shouldn't* ever happen where we've received a call from the public that a bloke has threatened somebody with a gun, unless it happens that the ARV is right there at the time and the TFC hasn't had a chance to review the information and declare the job as a SFI. If ARVs have been sent to deal with something like that then they should be given the authorities to deploy with firearms in advance - to do otherwise is a significant failing in command as it is obviously likely that they might need to self-authorise and if self authorising then there isn't a proper command structure in place, which is required for a firearms operation.
  39. A JP sitting in a trial will not know the ins and outs of PACE etc. A defence lawyer might make the case that something has been carried out unlawfully. The bench may/or may not agree but as part of their deliberations they would receive legal advice from the Clerk of the Court regarding what the law says and if there is any case law to support the legal argument presented by the defence. In some rare situations they might adjourn during a legal argument to receive advice from the clerk for something which is particularly legally complex. During my training it was made abundantly clear that magistrates decide the facts of the case, deliver a verdict, and sentence accordingly. As, unlike Judges, they are not legally qualified to offer legal opinion. They may believe the arrest to be unlawful and their judgement so swayed by their view, but publicly they are not meant to engage in offering opinion from the bench. The officers and their actions were not on trial. Magistrates in a case where someone is found guilty are required passing sentence to state reasons for mitigating/aggravating factors which have contributed towards their sentence. Where magistrates have concerns regarding conduct or evidence relating to a case they have heard, they normally channel any concerns via the clerk to the CPS, not in open court. I see no reason, other than perhaps naivety or lack of experience as a chair for the remarks. Logically, think about a jury. They give no reason for their decision in court and it is required the same as magistrates. But like judges they have to give reason for their sentencing decision.
  40. What's the story behind your handle

    Long(ish) story. I used to volunteer on RAF Glider Airfields at the weekends. As a result I could come back to Sixth form even in the middle of winter looking bright red with Sun/Wind burn. One day our head teacher sprung it on us that they were doing our year group photo one Monday. The photographer is there trying to arrange us into line, as the tallest he wanted to get me into place first so he shouts up "hey, you on the end. Yes you, the bright red one, Mr Burnie" and it stuck.
  41. Over moderation

    Cathedral Bobby, you aren't on a 'naughty step' - just the admins and moderators who have posted have disagreed with you or tried to justify their rationale for they way they do their jobs. For what it's worth I've been a member on these sort of sites since I was 14, I joined PS.com when I was way too young - the moderation style isn't as bad as it could have been, other forums have a free for all approach which if it ended up in the Daily Maul would cause the police service serious issues regards disrepute. I think we strike the right balance. Would it be interesting to try a new approach, I think it would - but would it be better, who knows? All of the mods and managers have their own take on things, I'm very relaxed - others aren't as relaxed but are perhaps a little more consistent - much like the job itself. Everyone is different. If we really did 'over moderate' this thread would be long gone, as would your account! Another angle to consider, now being in a Cathedral force I'm not sure if this is similar (though do PM me as I'm curious as to how it works!) but if a member posts something in breach of the law, or standards of professional behaviour, we do get requests from time to time from various Professional Standards departments requesting details of people who have posted messages, such as their email addresses and IP addresses - we have a policy as a site to divulge this information (Which is agreed to when you join) - we won't obstruct a PSD investigation as that would be unethical. However, we do like to protect our membership from the undue wrath of internal complaints and discipline that arise within the police service, often for merely having a voice. Being a forum we have a wide array of opinions and strong headed members, unfortunately not everyone is on the same page and we regularly get reports from members for off topic posts, sometimes it's not majorly off topic and doesn't need any moderation - you don't ever know about these reports, but sometimes it can be very annoying to load a thread about training timetables for instance, and find within 2 pages you're onto what type of patrol cars the force had 15 years ago (true for PS.com... thread has been moderated now). With those headstrong members we get disagreements, those disagreements can become arguments (not debates) and can often become personal. Going back to the PSD side of things, if they see someone who they can link to a police force actively making biting criticism of another they will go for them. The sanctions from which can be severe. If you think it's easy, give it a go. I thought it would be when I became a mod, it isn't - but I like a challenge.
  42. Over moderation

    There's always the opportunity for learning, I'll see if I can find a mandatory NCALT course for you.
  43. Over moderation

    What have you been doing for the past three pages then?
  44. Over moderation

    I guess that because I have always known the style of the moderation that I have been able to word things in a particular way to steer around that. It's only when the human side of me has got in the way that I have fallen foul. If you have a consistent set of rules (and the rules are the rules), then it is up to you to play the game. A clever wordsmith can inject irony and comedy into comments but it takes an intelligent reader to understand what is actually being said... Play the game. I don't think that the moderation can be accused of being inconsistent.
  45. Over moderation

    I purposely did not read the topic about North Korea but I could not see it as a topic for humour. Insulting the main people involved, yes as they would both need a hug from a suicide bomber. Now that is more of our 'Black Humour' which was used to keep our sanity and even focus. I can see merit in Cathedrals point but the Mods do have a responsibility, I should know I am still trying to oust my penalty points. P.S. Any Brownie points going
  46. Over moderation

    I think ******* ** ********* ************ ************ * ******* *** ******** *** ********* **********, so there!
  47. When I started working , the way it all was then I would now have been less than 5 years from retirement, as it is now its nearly 12 years (although hopefully not full time to the end ,putting someone on a bed pan whilst on a Zimmer frame yourself would not be easy) However I am pretty sanguine about it, I could never understand why women ,with greater life expectancy ,got to retire earlier than men and to be honest I don't know that I would want to retire in 5 years anyway ,I enjoy the mental stimulation work gives me and the company
  48. Knowing where you are ?

    You should always know where you are. I've had a number of jobs happen in front of me, one of note was an attempted murder. My tutor would say "where are we" at random times of the shift whilst generally patrolling. The first few times were met with "errrrrrm." But it made me switch on. That's something that has stayed with me.
  49. Knowing where you are ?

    It's relatively straight forward. Look up from the dash board, open your field of vision and take in the information. You cannot travel far without seeing a street sign or road name. Landmarks can be just as good. Other people on your shift/team may not recognise the street names you give but recognise pubs/parks/McDonald's/prominent shops, statues etc. Sat navs are good to find out where you are and junctions you are passing but please don't get reliant on it. Use an A-Z or similar and learn your area(s) that way. Take a few seconds to stop and plan a route when a job comes out. Don't get reliant on using a sat nav. You'll be surprised how quick you learn an area by using a map. Plus you'll start to get to know the cut throughs, alleyways etc and what road leads where etc. I had similar concerns when I first started but you soon pick it up.
  50. Negative aspects of the job

    good lord i could go on forever. today i attended a call of five males beating another one with a hammer and attacking him with knives. they made off in a car just as i got there. i followed the car and stopped it nearby. five males jumped out aggressively. it was 5v2. all were detained with great difficulty and good manners (on our part). nearby a large group of average middle class people started to gather. presumably they would be grateful for us risking our safety to take knives off these violent gang members who have PNC records longer than the lord of the rings trilogy. nope! they start screaming at us, filming us and shouting no wonder everyone thinks we're all racist. shouting "they did nothing!" as we leave with prisoners i hear some of the group loudly informing other passers by that the group were simply driving fast and we have got out and attacked them for no reason. remember these are the same people who complain loudly about "police doing nothing" when they get robbed/burgled. i think the thing i dislike most about the job is how it has turned me into such a jaded bitter individual with such a low (but realistic) opinion of 80% of English society. i was happier not knowing.

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