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  1. What if they don't want to identify as a cow at all? The vehicle didn't look like it was going very fast, I would have thought he'd have been leathering it. Anyway, this thread is rapidly heading toward the locker room material, I'd steak my reputation on it.
    7 points
  2. The issue isn't whether racism exists, it always has and always will, the issue is whether racism exists at a legal, political, educational and economic level in the western world, and it simply DOESN'T, at least not against the black communities in the UK and US. The argument however can be made that it does exist against the white community when there are racial/diversity quotas in favour of minority communities that openly, directly and unapologetically discriminate against white candidates/students/employees etc. The concept that because one community represents a certain % of a popul
    5 points
  3. If you're casting stones, you need to see a doctor asap
    4 points
  4. They want to completely ignore the facts of history. Yes, our ancestors did do some awful things but they also got many things right. They took education, learning, engineering and many other things. Australia was formed by those who were transported as punishments for crimes. They formed Australia but in doing so they abused the native population. They took a culture to many parts of the world, they did a lot of good but in doing so did much harm and took great advantage of indigenous people. In South America the Portuguese and Spanish did exactly the same, as did the French and Germ
    4 points
  5. We've eroded British identity and imported an American one, kids grow up thinking British cops carry guns, we've somehow integrated their frankly shameful modern history into our own (I once had to correct a student on the history of Britain and how we never had government sanctioned policies on segregation i.e different buses or cafes for black people and that they're confused with US policy, they didnt believe me.) Were we perfect? No... No nation has been, especially one that led the world in the form of an empire/superpower, every modern nation has made mistakes but I hate the notion
    4 points
  6. Black people don’t commit crime. They don’t carry knives, so they shouldn’t be searched. They aren’t dying in their troves on the streets of the capital, at the hands of other black men, so there’s nothing to see here. It’s the fault of the racist Police. If you think any different, then you’re a racist. and you need to be cancelled. Cycle, rinse, repeat ....
    4 points
  7. I dunno, most people would draw the line at calling for the hanging of people who hold different views to their own alongside calling for people of a different race to be made slaves. What's happened is awful, this young lady was a mother of two children and I feel nothing but sadness for the impact this crime has had. I do think the BLM movement need to really take stock though and look at what has happened, reassess their view points and work out just what primary problems afflicting inner city London, largely black communities are, is it police taking knives off of people or is
    4 points
  8. This has nothing to do with the degree apprenticeship and those of you claiming "I told you so" are just desperate to find something to support your bias. GMP has recruited over 2000 new cops over the past 4 years on the IPLDP and is STILL recruiting and delivering that training and will be till next year. However, all the issues that were raised in the article (which started in Police Oracle not the DM) are rife here too. This has more to do with how younger generations think rather than anything to do with academia. If anything from personal experience those who already have a degree when th
    4 points
  9. As I have said, "The cost of crime and the impact on the victim is immeasurable." That includes the cost of the thefts, frauds, damage and everything else associated with crime. Have you ever heard of the Proceeds of Crime Act. This allows the Police to obtain an order to seize the proceeds of crime and for those proceeds to be auctioned off to raise funds. When dealing with drugs it is nothing to recover huge sums of money running into £millions. Stop thinking about the criminals and have a little more thought for the victims. Whilst in prison a criminal is not committing outside cr
    3 points
  10. It genuinely makes you ask why do we bother with arrests at all when things like these happen? It's such a sad state of affairs when repeat offenders keep getting spared custodial sentences or receive joke sentences because the prisons are too full and no one has the idea to build more prisons instead of just letting them go all the time. Where does it end? The "fiscally minded" can complain all they want about the cost to build, staff, operate, house and feed inmates in a new prison, but the money saved from keeping these people from tying up Police and court time is more tha
    3 points
  11. Do you think a judge really understands what it means to live amongst such crime? When you are detached from the consequences of crime because you have an affluent life, I suppose it’s difficult to be harsh on sentencing.
    3 points
  12. Zulu22 coming out of retirement and being judge and jury in every criminal trial.
    3 points
  13. Paramedics to be fitted with Body Worn Cameras to help curb attacks on frontline workers https://news.sky.com/story/paramedics-to-be-fitted-with-body-worn-cameras-to-help-curb-attacks-on-frontline-workers-12322657 ———- What, in the name of sanity, has the country come to when the Ambulance service have to wear BWV to protect themselves and their colleagues when helping people medically? I get the need for Police BWV - despite the obvious policy-creep and the reliance on it (as we all knew it would). BWV does prevent offences and spurious complaints. Being assaulted and inv
    3 points
  14. The other day we were told to ensure our rural areas were patrolled and to allocate enough officers to do that, "when resources allow" as there had been issues reported. We all had a good chuckle about that. On a day we were already massively below minimum staffing, custody already full with people on watch we could barely function as a response. We used to have more staff, we used to deploy more than double our staffing as normal. But now we don't
    3 points
  15. I respect the value and dignity of human life, which is I why I support full action in finding the suspects and hopefully locking them up for life sentences. However, it is also this same respect that prohibits me from feeling sorrow on a personal level for violence enacted against someone who orders it on others (she has publicly called for the hanging of black conservatives in the US and UK) and who would celebrate the death of any of our colleagues.
    3 points
  16. If you can't say something constructive, just moo-ve along!
    3 points
  17. You have to wonder, how on earth did he escape dismissal. Am I allowed to say that perhaps his name had something to do with it. No wonder there is a decline in Public confidence.
    3 points
  18. Policing is not predominantly conflict or adversity though, unless you're a dog or a PSU instructor. Just as much if not more time is spent making decisions and justifying them or solving problems with reference to detailed sources, legislation, policies etc and in conjunction with other professionals. There's plenty of people in the job whose ability to communicate in writing is very poor indeed or who cannot retain legislation and try to bluff around it with tropes like policing being 90% common sense; both those things are just as bad as being terrified of confrontation. Policing requi
    3 points
  19. See....it’s because they’ve never had DS an inch from their face screaming and shouting, questioning their parentage, threatening to drive a swagger stick between their ears and ride them around the square like a motorcycle! 😬
    3 points
  20. Much like all public sector areas, including NHS and Police, the councils have an abundance of money. So much so that they spend millions and millions a year on pointless ‘consultancy’ so they can spend the cash for budgeting purposes. It’s corrupt. The public sector has enough money, just clueless as to spending. Increasing cash-in won’t stop the leakage in the cash-out. Like filling a bucket of water with holes in.
    2 points
  21. As an Ex AFO my opinion is that the Police should not be routinely armed. There are some officers who even used to frighten me that they even carried a Baton. Under the present system AFO's are available and well equipped. The problem is that the public have lost respect. When you have someone allegedly in authority dress in uniform resembling a boiler suit, looking scruffy, basically ****** it is no wonder that respect is lacking. Too may officers believe that wearing head gear is obligatory when it is not. A smart appearance demands and gets respect, the present uniform will never a
    2 points
  22. 1) Professional doesn't mean we do not enjoy the same protections under the law. That's not service but servitude. After 7 years in this job and having seen countless people get away with no punishment despite multiple convictions, I'm not interested in being placated by romantic notions of being thought of as "the good guy". I know I'm the good guy by virtue of the fact that I help people and don't hurt them. No offence, but I'd rather get the job done and protect victims no matter how unpopular it makes me than have to pander to the public perception. Praise and appreciation is nice, but I g
    2 points
  23. Regardless of how old the law is, she was sent abusive images, failed to act on it and then lied in court. I don't know how someone suggesting she should be fired from policing could be deemed a 'baying wolf'. The long and short of it she's a bent cop.
    2 points
  24. We had something similar in the UK (bar everyone being trained of course) but it was alot easier for officers to be certified in carrying revolvers and every police station including rural nicks had access to firearms in a safe, this was up until the late 1980s. This all changed when some Met Detectives mistakenly shot an innocent member of public believing he was an armed robber and as a result standards were completely overhauled. I do think in Britain we treat firearms like they're some cursed rune or something similar... This is down to most people never having handled a gun let
    2 points
  25. I don't think we are comparable to the US. The cops over there routinely face situations which over here would be deemed Critical Incidents and require Gold/Silver/Bronze Commanders to take lead. They need military-grade equipment to deal with the militia-grade threat they face from suspects armed with AK47s and armour piercing ammunition. I don't see us ever adopting similar counter-measures unless something really drastic changes in our culture. With no real likelihood of legalising the entire populace to bear firearms and ammunition like the US, I doubt we will even see Police routinel
    2 points
  26. I don't agree. Accountability and transparency is important and if someone is recording the police and wants to publish it, they shouldn't be discouraged just because they might not have caught the entire incident. Being arrested and having electronics seized should only be used as investigative tools, you seem to want it to be done more as a sort of punishment or to discourage them from posting footage. I think it should be that if you publish footage of your encounter with police, you are automatically consenting for them to publish body camera footage to show the full incident. That wa
    2 points
  27. A few years ago I recieved 'feedback' from an 'independent' panel reviewing out of court disposals - the feedback was for failing to arrest a subject for assault police when he drunkenly pushed me in my shoulder as I removed him from the station for being abusive and intoxicated, I instead opted to arrest him for Drunk and Disorderly rather than assault police. 🙄🙄🙄 I made the right decision as far as I am concerned and my discretion does still strictly mean something in law.... BTP was supposedly at one point the worst force for assaults, all I'll say is I think we tend to cri
    2 points
  28. Disgraceful! So, chummy ouches someone in the face, is restrained by a female officer who was obliged to use incapacitant spray. Chummy then bites her and assaults another officer causing irreparable damage to the officer’s finger and the courts send Chummy on a jolly course to try to mend his broken temper!!!? You couldn’t write it! He should be doing his porridge AND the jolly course in my book. CJ System = JOKE!
    2 points
  29. Happy Birthday to Her Majesty the Queen, an example of service.
    2 points
  30. Not with that ‘sentence’. It all starts somewhere. Probably end up killing someone before he gets locked up sufficiently.
    2 points
  31. Hi, Topic will not be closed. It will die a natural death if no one wants to use it. In future use the report function if you have a moderation query.
    2 points
  32. The problem @Father Jackis that policing into the early to mid 00s enforced this idea that cops were the only ones to have the ability to use force, I've witnessed this myself where cops have dressed down security staff for doing what it's perfectly legal or the more routine "ohhhh you REALLY need to be careful doing XYZ or you might face assault charges." I had a solicitor once question the use of force a store manager used to restrain their client as he attempted to leave with £100 worth of goods, it was his tactic of hijacking the interview but was quickly show down when I said I had n
    2 points
  33. I'm not sure what the OP wants to know that he doesn't already know or can't easily find out.
    2 points
  34. I'm convinced organisations and professional victims like BLM actually WANT and need more and more black people to be killed, both by their own community and especially by the Police, so that they can perpetuate their money-making scam. BLM made over $90m in donations since Floyd's death and apparently not a single penny went to impoverished black communities. 25% went to opening and funding more BLM chapters around the US and the founder spent over $7m buying herself 4 houses in posh, gated and virtually exclusively white neighbourhoods in California. She has now stepped down a
    2 points
  35. Good grief. Someone with a crown on their shoulders putting their head above the parapet. I’m surprised this officer has managed to get promoted so much without the weak, feckless and servile views command teams have and their reticence on the subject. One can only say “Bravo!” Yes, let’s look at the statics on murder victims. But let’s also look at the statistics on the perpetrators. How these black community ‘leaders’ can’t see the issue of violence in their own communities is beyond me. Except I can. Votes, status, et. al. The only place these, and feckless police ‘leaders’, are
    2 points
  36. And of course, who do the public blame? Front line cops. We get ALL the abuse but have NONE of the decision-making power to actually change anything. We are everyone's whipping boys and for those leftists who are supposedly so concerned about 'accountability', bullying and not 'punching down' on powerless groups, they are the worst offenders and do absolutely nothing constructive.
    2 points
  37. I agree that wasting policing time should be used for wholly malicious complaints, and I don't think it should need the DPP's consent on every occasion either. The federation should be more active in campaigning for this to be used, or supporting officers to ask for the reasoning not to prefer it in relevant cases. As for civil suits for libel or slander, you're perfectly free to explore that if you liked, and indeed the majority of libel claims are settled and of those which proceed to court nine in ten are won by the claimant. The main hurdle is indeed the cost - cases are heard by the
    2 points
  38. It sort of depends what too remote is. We go to jobs, drive about when possible and the neighborhood teams go to local areas and tweet about engagement. That's kind of it. We aren't on every corner, we do put out some social media stuff but not a great deal. It would be nice to be less remote, get out and patrol and stop people etc. But we don't have the staff and can barely meet demand on a good day.
    2 points
  39. Nothing wrong with getting back to basics, it may actually put police back on the street instead of back office jobs that seem to have little actual output
    2 points
  40. I wonder if we break 100 on the next transfer window.
    2 points
  41. We have to remember that these scooters are completely silent, until they hit someone. The point about numpties is well made, but, the problem there is that there appears to be an increase in the Gene pool to produce more numpties. They appear to be prolific breeders.
    2 points
  42. I’d just add that, despite opinions on the rights and wrongs of the victim and their fate, this is a police and public forum with a good many members belonging to or having belonged to the police family. I think respect and dignity should be expected as being qualities attributed to us.
    2 points
  43. Cow Bars and Bull Bars are equally unacceptable on the grounds of assuming one's gender you FASCIST! We should all recognise our cis gender, non-binary privilege and use the inclusive term Bovine Bars! But then again, this is now problematic as it assumes that all Bovines are so intrinsically prone to clashes with the Police, that we have created a term solely for the purpose of identifying and defining an entire race of creatures using a linguistic micro-aggression by equating our interactions with them as requiring Bars (a clear racist term for incarceration) to handle!
    2 points
  44. If it was a Cow then perhaps they should have had "Cow Bars" and not "Bull Bars" If they used the wrong ones then it may be an issue for the IOPC on the grounds of direct Sexism.😄 You and I should take these maters seriously.
    2 points
  45. I’m rather lost with this thread now. I’m not sure where it’s going with the past half-dozen posts 🤨
    2 points
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