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  1. This is part of the problem though. We are people who make it work even when it’s broken. Teams at minimum staffing?….it’s okay we will run about like headless chickens to meet demand and oh so important target times. No vehicles?……it’s okay, we will send someone to another nick to pick some cars up. File needs sorting?…..it’s okay, we will stay late, in our own time to get it done because otherwise it won’t happen. The Cons tell their Sgts that their at breaking point, their workloads are too high, they don’t get clerical, they can’t possibly do all this disclosure nonsense, the vehicles are all shagged, the IT is so broken they cant do their jobs, they can’t get leave and that civvie street during a global pandemic seems like a better option. The Sgts pass it on to the Inspector who pass it on and on and on. It eventually reaches the Chief Con, his bagman says “Sir the moral on the frontline is a bit low, maybe send out a patronising email to cheer them up next week” and that’s the solution to the problem. Nothing is ever addressed properly. It only works because we make it work, no other reason. If we stopped, it would fail. Every single year our earnings in real terms are reduced, I think since I joined, I have lost 16% of my salary or something daft because of inadequate increases. To my knowledge, they have always been below the rate of inflation. Im deskilled and indoctrinated, I simply cannot leave. It’s like an abusive relationship.
    3 points
  2. Cheers again for all the above. useful to know I’m not just bitter and that lot of people have same views on management etc. After a Few more days of settling on it I just think it’s a case of seeing if the new job has more pros thans cons. Early days but already been asked how I’m doing by managers more time than I ever did in the police however still lots of doubts and negatives. I get points made about closing chapter but when I left it was always in my back of my mind I’d consider coming back if try alternative wasn’t substantially better (maybe a unhealthy of doing it but it is what it is) Have a lot of sympathy for you Jack, I probably wouldn’t go quite as far as you in my view of job but understand where you are coming from. having left now I’ve realised how much of a blur the last few years have been. If anyone is reading this thread I can’t stress enough how important it is to have a break and reflect, even if you love the job. Whilst I’ve been fairly lucky in the sense I’ve kept semi healthy, kept my friends (even though it was frustrating how little they understood my job) etc etc I’ve really noticed how much the job can take over your life. Obviously any job can lend itself to rat racing but I think the 24/7 nature of the job, coupled with the way you view your experience I’m terms of how many years you have in is scary. I’ve realised that I was trying to survive for 6 days, knackered on 2 rest days and spent 2 rest days trying to cram in social activities with taking them in and actually enjoying them. I don’t think it’s all doom and gloom but I’d just advise people to slow down and take stock. I have so many mates who worried about getting through their two years, then worried about courses and permits now worry about that side way move or promotion but for what? Despite all the doubts and overthinking I’ve already done more meaningful activities and enjoyable with friends and family in last few weeks than I probably did in last few years. Maybe it will wear off and the pay cut may eventually become an issue but my point is the job gives you tunnel vision.
    3 points
  3. Allow me to put it into perspective. Most frontline officers are carrying 30+ crimes and are still expected to attend emergency incidents. So, yeah, you've have a name to complain about but your crime isn't getting solved any quicker. But...and here's the important part...it looks good on paper and wins votes.
    2 points
  4. Don’t disagree with any of what you said, my point simply was the pay isn’t particularly bad. Public sector workers are all suffering.
    1 point
  5. From experience of working within custody, I'd have a chat with a custody sergeant beforehand and tell them your plan of attack. Advise that you're wanting them arresting and you'd be looking for a remand if able and what would the likelihood be? Some sergeants will tell you straight out no and others will say it's no problem but to make sure that suspect gets brought in whilst they are working so they can oversee it all.
    1 point
  6. TWO off-duty police officers have been hailed as heroes after saving a four-year-old's life when he started choking on a chicken nugget. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1467691/police-officers-save-boy-choking-chicken-nugget Well done to both officers saving the boys life.
    1 point
  7. It will never happen as we have no history of doing anything like that, we aren't militant and we have a can do rather than won't do attitude.
    1 point
  8. Hmmm, can't say I'm aware of this sort of threat. Yes we like a moan, but we have been kicked so many times we can barely feel this one.
    1 point
  9. Equinox, complete nonsense. We have seen the ability of the general public to show how they will please themselves. If you are anywhere near to a University Campus you would see for yourself the illegal gatherings. The Government release restrictions for night clubs from midnight at at that hour night clubs opened being filled with reckless abandonment of people without any form of protection shoulder to shoulder, face to face, drinking themselves into oblivion. The Euro's with crowds attending and hardly a mask in sight except for the players and officials. British Grand Prix with a crowd of 140,000 and, again, hardly a mask in sight. As for the subject you cannot have a law where people are compelled to assist as, many would be incapable of assisting. Members of the public will in may cases automatically assist if it is within their capability. You only need to think of the incidents in London, Westminster Bridge etc to see that.
    1 point
  10. Is that really the case though? From what I've seen people have generally complied quite well given the extreme restrictions placed on their liberty for such a long period of time. Most of the violations seem quite minor, people meeting a friend for a coffee, that kind of thing. Some of the covid regs were utterly absurd, self defeating, contradictory and made no sense whatsoever. The law said it was fine for me to spend 8-10 hours a day working right next to someone (social distancing impossible at work) but we weren't allowed to go and eat lunch together, and if we started walking home together we were suddenly expected to stay 2 metres apart. The idea that we weren't at risk while working together but as soon as we went for a sarnie we'd suddenly risk infecting each other is so ridiculous that eventually we stopped really bothering with distancing in practice. You can pass a law and tell people they are obliged to do something, but if the law is completely absurd then a lot of people just won't do it. I think a rule requiring people to assist in any way they can without putting their own safety at risk makes is fairly rational, it would probably have widespread acceptance among the public and not be seen as a ridiculous expectation.
    1 point
  11. Perfectly summed up. This job ends up owning your soul and there's nothing worse than feeling that you sold it cheap.
    1 point
  12. Reading the misconduct outcome, there were a few other things not mentioned in the linked article: "It is relevant that he had had an endorsable speeding ticket two years before, which resulted in him being fined and incurring three penalty points, and so he was certainly left in no doubt then as to the seriousness of speeding" "I have reviewed PC Maison’s record of service, and note the comments about his failing to update colleagues while he is in the USA, going so far as to tell lies to them. While I have not taken this into account in making my decision today, I am disturbed by the lies he has told to supervisors and his welfare officers as to his whereabouts and the way in which he has treated his responsibilities to this Hearing. Let me make crystal clear that he must abide by the instructions of the Court for his sentencing hearing. His Unit Commander is not willing to retain him and his service record does not mitigate the gravity of his behaviour." Misconduct outcome for PC Maison
    1 point
  13. I think if we've learnt anything in the last 18 months, it's that telling the 'great' British public that they are obliged do something means that they will do exactly the opposite. Perhaps the law ought to state that they should "do-one" and not get involved at all.
    1 point
  14. Quite so. We have this strange double think in the UK, or whatever part of the UK that is currently running the media narrative. On one hand we can rehabilitate offenders, make then used members of society again. On the other hand, if you do have a conviction, you are done for any job that requires any form of responsibility. You are welcome to do those "poor" person jobs but none of those important jobs. Just imagine if the criminal justice system was actually good enough to actually rehabilitate people rather than just vaguely prod at the idea and then kick them into a bail hostel and see then again soon.
    1 point
  15. Never mind the rehabilitation of offenders acts and the like, its politics which dictates when a conviction is spent or not😳
    1 point
  16. We are here to enforce the law by any legal means. Phones, documents, it matters not. If someone wants to live by information from Wiki then they might be in for a nasty shock sometimes. I took an oath to Protect life and property, to Prevent and Detect crime and to prosecute offenders against the Queen's Peace. That is what I did without doing anything illegal. If people want to commit offences then they should be prepared to accept the consequences.
    1 point
  17. Thank you for your posting as it seems there was more to this for his dismissal.
    0 points
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